Ryzen 7 5800x overheating?

[greentucses157b02e4]

Hello guys,

I've decided to ask for some help regarding my CPU temprature. I have recently changed my CPU from a R5 2600x to an R7 5800X

I have an Asus 3060 TI
My CPU Fan is a BE QUIET! Shadow Rock 2
And my motherboard is an: ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING
Normally it idles around 55-60 degress. But sometimes (I can ever hear it, it goes up to 75-80 ~ ish (I literally have like 10-15 browers tabs open and thats about it)

When I'm playing it is also between the same highest it has reached was 81 Celsius.

Is this normal for the CPU? Because I have read couple of other opinions so at this point I'm not sure what to change. Or if its okay for my CPU or not.

Thank you for the kind help,

 

[citay]

In general, the 5800X seems to be one of the hottest-running CPUs of the 5000-series, because it's the model with the highest power draw to only have a single processor die, for which it can use roughly 105W (per TDP) or up to 142W, while the CPU models below that draw less power, and the CPU models above that can spread that same power draw over two processor dies. So the 5800X seems to be the direct successor of the 3800X, which was also the worst model in this discipline.

Still, you could look at the task manager if there's something causing CPU load, or check the sensors in HWinfo64 as to what's going on, especially for "CPU Package Power".

What is your relevant MSI product though, since you're posting on the MSI forum?

 

[greentucses157b02e4]

Hi, thank you for the answer

As relevant product it would be my GPU
I have downloaded the this application However I have close to 0 knowledge on this topic.

Could you please tell me if these numbers look okay to you?

 

[citay]

Well, it has nothing to do with the graphics card, but i always like to help, no matter what, so let's continue for a bit.

To find out what's happening, we need to check all the sensors. Run HWinfo and open "Sensors", then expand all sensors by clicking on the little <--> arrows on the bottom. Also expand the columns of the sensors a bit so everything can be read. Make it three big columns of sensors. First let it run in idle for a while (couple minutes), so the "minimum" baselines for the values are established. After a short time in idle, produce full CPU load with Cinebench R23, and after the 10 minutes, when the CPU temperatures have stabilized at the highest level, take a screenshot, and also post the score. This will show all the important sensor data at once, both for no load and full load.

In the end, it should be a screenshot with all the sensors visible at once, like this:

I can already see several things that don't seem quite right on your small screenshot, but i really need to see the full picture to say more.

 

[greentucses157b02e4]

Hello,

Posting the results. I had only one arrow which I could open at the sensors.
I appreciate the help very much I never been using any of hardware forums so please forgive for my lack of knowledge.

 

[citay]

I didn't need two screenshots, because if you do it the way i suggested, then the "minimum" values would show the idle numbers, and the "maximum" the load numbers. Also, the C0/C1 residency values for the individual cores don't need to be expanded. What i meant with "expanding the columns" was, you drag the right border of each column "Sensor" and pull it more to the right, so all the sensor names are fully readable.

Anyway, i can see that the airflow in your system is probably not ideal, because your motherboard temperature also has a huge delta of 24°C between idle and load. So this might be the reason why your CPU cooler is underperforming. The power draw of the CPU seems pretty normal, AMD CPUs always draw more than Intel during idle, and under load it's at 111W or so. Your CPU definitely gets a bit hot under the collar, but with the 5800X you sort of have the worst of both worlds, a single CPU die similar to the 5600X, but a power draw like the 5900X/5950X. You now need to make sure your case has proper airflow. Can you show a photo of the system with the side panel off?

Furthermore, i see that your RAM runs at DDR4-2400 (1200 MHz * 2 because Double Data Rate), which is the safe profile when you don't enable XMP.

I suggest the following. First, update your BIOS to the newest version from here, https://www.asus.com/supportonly/rog strix b450-f gaming/helpdesk_bios/
Then enable XMP in the BIOS. Then do the testing again with the changes i mentioned, take just one screenshot in the end, and one photo of your system if you can.

 

[greentucses157b02e4]

Luckily I had the BIOS version which you linked.

I have also enabled the XMP, and chose "D.O.C.P" standard and did not change anything there.

Here are the results with xmp enabled:

I could not take a proper photo of my system. Have tried but nothing is that much visible unfortunately. However I'll tell you what I have exactly so maybe you can get the image as an expert

- I have a Kolink Horizon RGB Midi Tower [ 5999094002296 ] EAN code
- And as mentioned I have the Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 2

- Do you think a different case or a different type of fan could be a solution? If yes I would truly appreciate a recommendation!

Also thank you so much for your patience and effort, I know it's not easy to explain and help someone who has very limited knowledge of the topic

 

[citay]

Ok, the RAM is running at DDR4-3200 now, better. You still haven't pulled apart the right columns and collapsed the unnecessary sensors. Maybe i was not precise enough, so let me show you in a picture:

Also, make it fullscreen so it shows more sensors.

The drive sensors are another indicator that your system runs too hot in general. The two Samsung drives are sitting at over 50°C, that's too high for a HDD, let alone an SSD, if they're not under load.

- I have a Kolink Horizon RGB Midi Tower

Now we're getting closer to the root cause. When i look at the pictures, this case has been designed by morons. Three 120mm fans directly in front of a glass front,

With only those few little holes on a small strip down the side of the front panel for the air intake:

In a review, they took off the front panel and let the fans breathe freely, look at the difference it makes:

Easily >10°C cooler instantly at the same fan speeds. So this case personifies "style over substance".

To have such high temperatures as you have, which seem to be partly a byproduct of bad system ventilation, in a case with four case fans, is something that's not easy to achieve, but Kolink managed to do it. Bravo.

For a modern case nowadays, i would recommend something like the be quiet! Pure Base 500DX:

Up to full ATX, solid build quality, good open front panel design that doesn't obstruct the airflow.

Not saying you should go out and immediately buy one necessarily, but it's clear that something isn't quite ideal with the thermals in your system, when even two drives are at >50°C when they're not doing much at all.

 

[greentucses157b02e4]

Good Day,

Not sure if you wanted me to hide the Min-Max-Avg numbers by pulling everything to the right?

I just opened everything related to the heat, but the test should be pretty much the same since I have changed nothing since then

Couple of questions from my side:

- Do you think my build can last 2 - 3 ~ weeks with this termal setup before I buy the new case / new cooling system
- Is that possible that the CPU itself has an issue and that is why it is overheating so much? (I'm asking because I have bought this CPU literally 3 days ago from a retail store so it is brand new)
- If I was about to choose cooling as well. I have talked to couple of friends and most of them recommended me the following:
Option 1:
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 (ACFRE00068A)
Option 2:
be quiet! DARK ROCK PRO 4 (BK022)

Which do you think would be the better option for me, considering I'll choose the Pure Base 500DX as recommended earlier by you

I'm just bit worried because If I'm playing anything which is even slightly stronger than for example league of legends my CPU heat goes up to 82-86Celsius
When playing league it usually sticks between 70-76Celsius

Thanks a lot!

 

[citay]

Thanks, now i see the sensors properly. First, to calm you down, while these CPU temperatures are high, the CPU cannot be killed by it. You will just have lower performance because the CPU won't clock so high anymore, since it recognizes that it is operating close to the limit. And we also know that your particular CPU model is known for having high temperatures under load. Again, the the high motherboard temperature sticks out to me (although it may be higher on ASUS in general, but for an MSI board it would be high). Let's assume this can partly be taken care of by the new case with better airflow, then the CPU temperatures should come down a bit as well.

I doubt that the CPU itself has an issue. Maybe you did something wrong in the application of thermal paste. I tend to just put a big enough blob of heatpaste into the middle of the CPU, with the CPU already in the socket, similar to what's shown here. Your cooler itself should be able to cope with that CPU, so i would perhaps first try your existing cooler in the new case (which i think is a wise purchase, because that Kolink case hasn't been thought through well).

But if you later wanted to get a new cooler as well, i would surely prefer the Dark Rock Pro 4. A 360mm AIO for this CPU would truly be massive overkill. It's not like you have a 13900KS with >300W CPU Package Power, in your screenshot you're dealing with a mere 127W. It's just that it's generated on a rather small surface, so the CPU is "designed" to run hotter than usual, and you just need to make sure you have a bit better airflow through the system to help out the CPU cooler.

 

[greentucses157b02e4]

Thank you for calming me down

Since I have no experience with PC building whatsoever, there is always a friend of mine or an I.T friend of my Dad who helps me with such things.
They have been building PCs and doing different stuff over years now. I would say we can cross out that they messed up the new thermal paste on the R7 5800X.

But I'll have a 2.nd look with a different person just to be sure

Feel like we have came to the conclusion that the biggest "threat" or problem is the case itself. Which is also a very old design since it was purchased in 2019 dec.
Since I dont build/change my PC very often I'm definitely going to buy the case and the cooler together. And will really hope for great results after that

Also one more thing to add that I have recently bought the Acer nitro 390Hz monitor. Can such a display cause any heat issues assuming it takes more "resources" ?

Thank you! Hoping my new case will make wonders

 

[Alan J T]

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