[SOLVED] User fan settings in MSI Center: can the be copied permanently to UEFI?

[painful8th+msi.com]

Although been using MSI boards for a long time, it was with my son's build on a B650 Tomahawk board that I actually took a peek at it.

Using a "custom" (or user?) setting module that provides performance/balanced/quiet/custom setttings in the MSI center I selected the quiet one and, boy, what a drop to the fan volume level it brought to the rig! Mind you, I'm only using this module with the fan setting enabled. The cpu setting stays disabled.

I'm so satisfied with it, but for the following two reasons I would like to know whether I can somehow "copy" the quiet profile fan curves it applies directly to the UEFI option and get rid of the MSI center altogether.
Do you know if that is possible and, if so, how?

 

[newlin9]

Although been using MSI boards for a long time, it was with my son's build on a B650 Tomahawk board that I actually took a peek at it.

Using a "custom" (or user?) setting module that provides performance/balanced/quiet/custom setttings in the MSI center I selected the quiet one and, boy, what a drop to the fan volume level it brought to the rig! Mind you, I'm only using this module with the fan setting enabled. The cpu setting stays disabled.

I'm so satisfied with it, but for the following two reasons I would like to know whether I can somehow "copy" the quiet profile fan curves it applies directly to the UEFI option and get rid of the MSI center altogether.
Do you know if that is possible and, if so, how?

You will always have best results setting the fan speed curves in the BIOS vs the MSI Center.
It sounds like you are not too concerned with going the BIOS route, which is preferred over the software route, which is prone to other software conflicts and Windows control panel settings - especially how you set up your power plan in Windows.

BEST: Update to latest BIOS, then update to latest AMD CHIPSET drivers for the B650 chipset. Then go into BIOS and set up your fan curves the way you want them without having to deal with software conflicts that fan control software (e.g., MSI Center) is known to have issues. Especially if you want the setting to be constant and not changing when the software, or the OS is updated.

B650 LATEST CHIPSET DRIVER

 

[painful8th+msi.com]

You will always have best results setting the fan speed curves in the BIOS vs the MSI Center.
It sounds like you are not too concerned with going the BIOS route, which is preferred over the software route, which is prone to other software conflicts and Windows control panel settings - especially how you set up your power plan in Windows.

I do prefer the BIOS route, exactly for the reasons you're mentioning here. However I'm clueless on (a) how exactly to set the fan curves and (b) due to the compexity of the fans of my box. Specifically, I've got (besides the Thermalright 120PA CPU fan):
(a) Three 12cm intake fans in the case front, a Lian Li Lancool RGB, that are controlled via 3 separate 3-pin fan headers (so I presume these are DC fans)
(b) One 12cm Arctic at the back, combined with a 14cm exhaust at the top that are controlled via a single 4-pin PWM header and
(c) Two separate 12cm PWM-controlled intake fans at the case bottom, pushing fresh air upwards to the GPU (a Nitro+ 9070XT)

I'm lost at:
(1) how exactly to set the curves and
(2) Which thermal sensor (ie cpu, system etc) they should monitor for operation. I've set (a) and (b) above to follow the CPU temperatures, but that's as far as I can get.

What I can see is that with MSI center, in the "quiet" setting the system gets so much quieter in operation. Monitor the fan speed this difference is clearly evident as well.

Then go into BIOS and set up your fan curves the way you want them without having to deal with software conflicts that fan control software (e.g., MSI Center) is known to have issues.

That was indeed the case for opening this thread. In the game the finals my son has been getting kicks from the anti-cheat. Took my a while, but I found that MSI center was to blame!
Still I'm looking for a solution here, and have not found any... Really wish there was some kind of software that would stress test the system to calibrate the fan curves, and save them in UEFI afterwards.

 

[pandaz]

guess maybe the best way is just to adjust the fan curve under bios setup then you won't need the center for the similar funciton

 

[painful8th+msi.com]

Like I said, that's the hard thing: don't have a clue on how to adjust them...

 

[newlin9]

Still I'm looking for a solution here, and have not found any... Really wish there was some kind of software that would stress test the system to calibrate the fan curves, and save them in UEFI afterwards.

Since the price of decent quality PWM fans (often sold in sets of four) have come down so much in the past 3 years, the first thing I recommend is to swap out any DC fans for the more responsive and controllable PWM fans. So, I would do that first. I also suggest you disable the "MSI Driver Utility" BIOS setting that automatically sets up MSI Center to avoid the conflicts mentioned earlier.

Mike's Hardware Unboxing does a phenomenal job describing how to fine tweak BIOS FAN CURVE setting for the B650 Tomawhawk. These should be very close to the optimums speed and noise levels you are looking for. Remember to use the latest BIOS and AMD B650 chipset drivers as well.

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How To Setup & Control AIO Water Cooling & PC Fans In BIOS Or Windows MSI Version

 

[painful8th+msi.com]

Since the price of decent quality PWM fans (often sold in sets of four) have come down so much in the past 3 years, the first thing I recommend is to swap out any DC fans for the more responsive and controllable PWM fans. So, I would do that first. I also suggest you disable the "MSI Driver Utility" BIOS setting that automatically sets up MSI Center to avoid the conflicts mentioned earlier.

Disabled the MSI driver utility UEFI setting from day one. As for the recommendation to switch to PWM I was thinking I could leave the 3 DC fans not for the cost but since I'm lazy changing them actually

Mike's Hardware Unboxing does a phenomenal job describing how to fine tweak BIOS FAN CURVE setting for the B650 Tomawhawk. These should be very close to the optimums speed and noise levels you are looking for. Remember to use the latest BIOS and AMD B650 chipset drivers as well.

Thanks for the link, just finished watching it. I know most of the points regarding fan curves mentioned in the video. Still left me a bit uneasy: Mike's system (especially its cpu cooling) is different than mine. So setting the fan curve is different than mine. I do get that the last point of the curve should correspond to 100% speed and should prolly be at a temp of around 70 degrees. But I do not feel comfortable selecting the mid-curve points. I do not monitor my son's rig and he's not proficient in seeing that something go off. That's why I was inclining to using the MSI detected curves.
Perhaps I'll just slot-in Mike's curve (20/20, 40/40, 60/60, and 70/100, where first number is degC and second is fan speed percentage)...

Off-topic a bit here, but If I drop MSI center, can I somehow control ARGB lighting (at present, controled by one of the MSI center modules)?

 

[newlin9]

Off-topic a bit here, but If I drop MSI center, can I somehow control ARGB lighting (at present, controled by one of the MSI center modules)?

When using MSI Center's ARGB control, you can still disable it in BIOS and just download it from MSI directly and ONLY install the ARGB component, and nothing else. I have never (after over ten years) had really good luck with it, except for that one module which works pretty good. As said, the other MSI CC components are not worth the headache they create, especially when they can all be set in the BIOS without having to worry about software conflict every time Windows or AMD updates their feature sets or bug fixes.

You may also consider using a PWM hub with an integrated ARGB hub. IOW a PWM/ARGB hub. These also have been fairly refined and come down in price over the past two years as well.

I recommend the TUMMAASTER hub. I have this one loaded down with 10 ARGB fans and the remote allows to completely bypass both the ARGB and FAN SPEED for case fans. The only fan I don't put on it is the CPU H20 fan, which should always be connected straight to the H20 PWM fan header on the motherboard.

ARGB/PWM 10-PORT HUB

 

[painful8th+msi.com]

When using MSI Center's ARGB control, you can still disable it in BIOS and just download it from MSI directly and ONLY install the ARGB component, and nothing else. I have never (after over ten years) had really good luck with it, except for that one module which works pretty good. As said, the other MSI CC components are not worth the headache they create, especially when they can all be set in the BIOS without having to worry about software conflict every time Windows or AMD updates their feature sets or bug fixes.

Oups, I've got enabled in both UEFI as well as running the ARGB component from MSI center, thought that both were needed... I'll disable the UEFI component.

You may also consider using a PWM hub with an integrated ARGB hub. IOW a PWM/ARGB hub. These also have been fairly refined and come down in price over the past two years as well.

I recommend the TUMMAASTER hub. I have this one loaded down with 10 ARGB fans and the remote allows to completely bypass both the ARGB and FAN SPEED for case fans. The only fan I don't put on it is the CPU H20 fan, which should always be connected straight to the H20 PWM fan header on the motherboard.

ARGB/PWM 10-PORT HUB

Thanks again. Passed the evening doing some tests according to the video you've provided and setup 20/20-40/40-60/60-70/100 curves from everything, system is very quiet now. Uninstalled everything from MSI center, apart from the LED control.

Once again, thanks everybody for the help provided, much appreciated.