USING MSI BOMBER B760M DDR5 FOR 14700F

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Iam going to build a pc, if I Choose B760M Bomber WiFi DDR5 with 14500,so please may I know,can I upgrade thae processor with 14700f in Same MoBo in future, should that MoBo can provide enough TDP without Bottleneck the 14700f
 
This is a low-end board model, it should not be paired with an i7-14700, unless you want to set pretty harsh power limits for the CPU in the BIOS (which would also limit its performance somewhat). For the micro-ATX sized boards with an i7, i would recommend the MSI MAG B760M Mortar WIFI II, since that brings a much more powerful VRM using Powerstages and a bunch of other improvements.
 
With the B760M Bomber WiFi (seems to be a special model only for certain markets), using this quite cheap VRM with discrete MOSFETs instead of Powerstages, and small VRM heatsinks, it's possible that you get VRM thermal throttling somewhere maybe around 150W power draw from the CPU already, or at least it would probably get toasty hot already. And if you look at this thread, you will see that a 14700 can draw upwards of 300W if let completely off the leash (and if your CPU cooler is powerful enough to handle it, which is another big challenge), otherwise you get CPU thermal throttling.

Now, about VRM thermal throttling, this is more serious than CPU thermal throttling, because it will be much more aggressive. Once you have VRM-induced thermal throttling (so, from the board's side), the performance will drop a lot, it throttles the CPU a lot. If you read this thread, the BIOS on some lower-end boards actually enforces hard power limits that you cannot circumvent, in that case 135W. Which is a good hint, because that MSI PRO B760M-P seems to use the same VRM section, only that board doesn't have any VRM heatsinks at all, so it can overheat even quicker.

I made a picture to illustrate that this VRM is pretty much identical:

B760M VRM.jpg


MSI don't give any information about the VRM of the B760M Bomber WiFi, but we have the information for the PRO B760M-P, as i write in that second thread, and we know what CPU power draw MSI deems this VRM to be capable of, and this figure is 135W. Then maybe we can add a good 20W CPU power draw because of the small heatsinks on the Bomber.

If you had to limit the CPU to, say, 150W, then you would lose probably up to 15% of the possible performance of a 14700(K), compared to running it at 253W (to take an Intel power limit figure as an example). This puts the performance more to what a 14600K would achieve, which natively wants to draw ~175W under fully multithreaded load, so it wouldn't have to be limited much to begin with. So on these two boards, using a 14700(K/F) doesn't make too much sense if you want to exploit its full performance potential, it would be better to use an i5 at the most.

Let's see what the MSI PRO B760M-A WIFI does differently.

Screenshot 2024-06-28 at 16-12-20 PRO B760M-A WIFI.png


MSI always exaggerate and call it 12+2 (or 12+1+1) design, but it's really 6+2 phases, with doubled components to spread the thermal load. It's still considered a low-end solution because it's also still made up of cheap discrete MOSFETs (the little black chips that are in groups of four). But: At least a lot of the components are doubled. All the MOSFETs are doubled, two per phase on the Hi-side / 12V side, outside, and two per phase on the Lo-side / ~1V side, inside. And there are 14 chokes (the grey rectangles around the CPU socket), so the chokes for CPU Vcore are doubled, only the outermost SoC/iGPU chokes are solo. Also, the heatsinks on the PRO B760M-A WIFI are way larger than on the Bomber.

So while this is still not really what's considered an adequate board/VRM for a 14th gen i7, this one can probably deal with up to 200W power draw from CPU, so the power limits can be set a bit less harshly. Only on the MSI MAG B760M Mortar WIFI II you would not have to worry about the VRM at all, purely about CPU cooling.
 
First of all thank you for the detailed information bro, my conclusion from your description is that in B760M BOMBER we can use CPU with maximum power draw of 200w because of the small heatsink rather than the B760M P, and if we use i5 14600k with 175w max Power draw with B760m Bomber than that of a 14700, we can get better performance of i514600k is that correct?. my doubt is that when using a K series CPU on B series MoBo can we get full performance even within the power limit?can we achieve its full Single core/multi-core performance as per if I use 14600k/14600
 
First of all thank you for the detailed information bro, my conclusion from your description is that in B760M BOMBER we can use CPU with maximum power draw of 200w because of the small heatsink rather than the B760M P

No, read carefully again. The small heatsinks don't improve the situation that much. What i talked about below the second picture is the PRO B760M-A WIFI, which you had asked about:

or should I use B760M-A DDR5 WIFI.

So the explanation under the second picture was only about the PRO B760M-A WIFI, comparing it to the Bomber (which has the same VRM as the PRO B760M-P, but with small heatsinks fitted). This PRO B760M-A WIFI is what can handle maybe 200W CPU power draw, not the Bomber. The Bomber's VRM will still get very hot at 200W from the CPU.

and if we use i5 14600k with 175w max Power draw with B760m Bomber than that of a 14700, we can get better performance of i514600k is that correct?

No, not better, but more or less identical (because the performance of the 14700 cannot be fully used with the power limits you have to set). So it's not like the 14600(K) will result in better performance, it's more like a 14700(K) would be a waste of money with this board.

my doubt is that when using a K series CPU on B series MoBo can we get full performance even within the power limit?can we achieve its full Single core/multi-core performance as per if I use 14600k/14600

Yes, especially if you use it on the PRO B760M-A WIFI. For normal full-load workloads, it will stay well below 200W CPU power draw natively, so if you set for example 180W power limits (just to protect your cooling, the cooler's TDP value is usually exaggerated), you will not have a performance loss in any normal situation. So then you can use the full performance of a 14600(K), which is ideal.
 
Thanks Brother,so I have to choose B760M A with 14600k for better cost to performance ratio,iam building this for Autodesk inventor 3d where I have to assemble 200-300 parts per project,I concluded my specs bu 14600k,B760M A,RTX 4060,5200 Corsair Vengeance 32(16*2),500 gb crucial p5 plus, cooler master 650w bronze,AK400ZERODARK PLUS ,
Did you prefer AMD over Intel for Modeling/Autodesk related work,then I have an option with MSI B650m Gaming wifi+7700X Hows that combination?
 
14600k,B760M A,RTX 4060,5200 Corsair Vengeance 32(16*2),500 gb crucial p5 plus, cooler master 650w bronze,AK400ZERODARK PLUS ,

Board, CPU and CPU cooler are now a good match, because they are a bit closer together (slightly better board model and a less demanding CPU model). Also this cooler would've had problems with a 14700(K) for sure. So that's all taken care of. For the RAM, i would get at least DDR5-5600, not -5200. The SSD is a good model. The PSU, "cooler master 650w bronze", no way, i would get a nice Gold-rated model that has been reviewed positively, don't mess with a Bronze model anymore for this kind of hardware. See my Guide: How to find a good PSU.

Did you prefer AMD over Intel for Modeling/Autodesk related work,then I have an option with MSI B650m Gaming wifi+7700X Hows that combination?

7700X does worse than a 14600K in Autodesk Inventor (and elsewhere), it's a bit below the Intel model.
 
Thank you for your Support and Time, after the build I'll do benchmarks of those specs. One of my friend from a native PcBuild Community uses B760m Bomber with 12400, he showed me some of its CPU power configuration tab. from those windows we can see that the default PL1 is max 135W with Tower cooler.In CPU Overclocking >Advanced CPU Configuration we can set a custom Power limit as we want For PL2 .first PL2 (Short Time Power Limit)was 150w (auto) as default but when he set it to 200w, after save and restart it sets to 200w as pictures.from your information I understood that it can provide 200w but that cheap VRMs can't load like that,and the previous default 150w was tha max PL2 Watts it can provide with its VRMs safe limit as you told.so a Bomber B760M can be max 135 to 150w without any stress, anyway thank you for your assistance for the best MoBo selection for me.Thanks a lot 😊
 

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You're welcome, always glad to help.
Sorry to bring up this topic again, but after looking at a couple of threads about the MSI PRO B760M-P board on some forums, I had to ask, I saw that the most optimal use for this board is with i5 13th and 14th gen at best and people struggle with the i7/i9 13th and 14th gen, but I had no luck finding any info about it paired with an older i7-12700kf, and I was wondering if the VRM will still cause a significant throttling with an aircooled case, and if it is, is it a good idea to DIY and put a small heat sinks, I know that the heatsink plate on the mosfets are on the bottom side but does adding themal paste and a heatsink on top cause any difference, cause I've seen people do it in old videos, but the tests might be innacurate and the heat sensor they're using is aiming above the heatsink which might not even show the correct values, my situation dosen't allow for buying a new motherboard at the moment, so if the problem isn't worth looking at and the throttling will be occasional and short lag spikes then I won't bother messing with the motherboard, and I won't be looking to overclock the CPU any time soon.
 
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Well, a 12700K(F) under full load can probably have between 160-190W of power draw. The MSI PRO B760M-P has hardcoded power limits of 135W in the BIOS, due to its weak VRM. So you probably don't have to worry about VRM-induced throttling, the power limits should take care that it doesn't come to that (unless you have really bad airflow through the system). What you more have to worry about is that even the 12700K(F) cannot unfold its full performance potential. Now, for things like gaming, this doesn't have any impact, because in games, the CPU is not fully loaded, only the GPU is. So you would still have the full performance there even with 135W limits. The only performance limitation will be with fully multithreaded load like Cinebench, there the CPU will clock down a bit to be able to observe the power limits.
 
Well, a 12700K(F) under full load can probably have between 160-190W of power draw. The MSI PRO B760M-P has hardcoded power limits of 135W in the BIOS, due to its weak VRM. So you probably don't have to worry about VRM-induced throttling, the power limits should take care that it doesn't come to that (unless you have really bad airflow through the system). What you more have to worry about is that even the 12700K(F) cannot unfold its full performance potential. Now, for things like gaming, this doesn't have any impact, because in games, the CPU is not fully loaded, only the GPU is. So you would still have the full performance there even with 135W limits. The only performance limitation will be with fully multithreaded load like Cinebench, there the CPU will clock down a bit to be able to observe the power limits.
Thank you so much for the quick answer, this kindof put me at ease, I guess I can take some throttling once in a while when I'm doing CPU heavy work once in a while, my work will rarely require the full potential of a 12700K(F) so I should be fine
 
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