Video card issues w/kt3 and ge4200

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Evilsnot

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Hi. I'm honestly not sure how this post will be interpreted, so mod's, do you thing and move to your perfered loc :D.

Anyway, I recently built a new pc with the following parts :

WinXP pro
MSI KT3-Ultra Mainboard (non-RAID ver.)
Athlon XP 1800
Volcano 7+ w/copper shim hs
Lucent PCI v.90 modem
256 mb PC2700 ram (OCsystems, but we'll get to that latter :p )
Codegen 350w PS (this is an AMD certified PS)
seagate 20gb HD (im a pooooor colledge guy on dial-up)
Monster 3d sound mx400 (if i remeber right, it's old, but it is a vortex 2 card, and I still like it)
Acer cd burner (blah blah blah, 4x4x32)
Hitachi DvD player

Video cards : TnT2 Ultra (creative labs) AGP (older card used before i could afford the next contestant)

MSI Geforce 4200 -t64 (or is that d?)

As you can see, some parts are just spares that i didnt want to spend the cash replacin, as they're quite fully functional :/ .

OK, so on to the problem :D

When I first essambled the PC, i would get some nice random resets, mostly when runnin any 3d game. This eventually flushed out by the latest 4in1 drivers, and screwin around with some older denator drivers (since I was usin the TnT2). Before the installination of those drivers, I just turned the bus speed down a bit, and it acutally worked quite well (well....most of the time....)

I credited most of the random resets (you know, the classic XP video card infinite loop yaddayadda) to the TnT2, as I'd seen many posts on various boards saying that winXP just didnt like this older card, and that the XP drivers for it werent really up to par, considerin the card is now like anceint tech.

Now the Geforce 4 4200 enters play.

I install the card. The comp resets. Then resets again. Then resets again. It was a viscous cycle. I of course hit up the bios settings to default and the sys starts (the resets would take place right after the xp loading screen, before the desktop fully loads.) normally. I then loaded in the latest Via 4in1 (which had changed over the span of puttin the puter toghter and gettin the card) and updated the nvidia drivers.

OK. Back to Bios. I crank up the FSB to 133 (which SHOULD be my defualt), and it begins it's resest loop again. I had adjust every other factor i could think off, and used the suggestions on this site. From turnin the AGP down to 2x to adjustin the Aperature size. I honestly think i tried every compantaion i could think of to get the card workin at sys bus speed, but it just wouldnt. I could get it to run @ 110 FSB with no problems, but I turn it up and it drops 3d apps, and if I go to 133 it just goes into the reset loop. Needless to say, I eventually sent the card back ,and am awaitin a replacement. BUT, that's the problem, im wonderin if it acutally is the card and not the board. And here's why i think it's the board.

The mem: I know, i know, this board has a rep for mem :p/. I hear it everyplace i go :D. Samsung minium, more like crucial. But It's not the ram. Im 99% sure its not the ram. Ram erros (for me anyways :p ) usally involve cruption durin the OS load, and i've run a couple of burn in progs to test he ram reliability (for what there worth...). I don't have a great deal of faith in the ram, but I turst it enough.

The PS: It COULD be the PS....but i rather like it. It's big, its pretty hefty, and it is certified....(once again, for what that's worth).

My half cocked theory : possibly i just got a bad board, or it was static damaged or somethin. I actually suspect the cap's located under the agp slot on the mobo (im guessin are for the agp) are damaged and can't handle the extra juice a more powerful card like the geforce without swackin the rest of the sys.

Any thoughts, suggetions, of comments are
MORE then welcome! Thanks! and sorry for the novel :p
 
UGh, and plz dont even say damaged cpu! :p (cause it does run @ full bus speed with tnt most of the time....and im pretty sure its not a heat problem as my temp monterin never really goes aboe 50c.....but it could be....
 
hi,

The board is still under warranty, go and change the board.

Anyhow your 350Watt might not be enough to fully power everything you have. Watch the voltage readings, any low rails?
 
That's a good idea :D thanks!

The ps stats are as follows :
Pentium 4 & AMD Compatible
AMD Recommended up to Athlon XP 2000+, AMD Athlon Recommended list
Fan Type: Sleeve Bearing Fan
Input: 115V/230V
Output:350W
+3.3V -> 14A Orange
+5.0V -> 30A Red
+12V -> 12A Yellow
+5VSB -> 2A Purple
-5V -> 0.5A White
-12V -> 0.8A Blue

but I guess it's time to bust out the DIMM. I've never actually checked the actuall power of a PS usin a DIMM, so I guess the Q i have about that is : WOuldn't i have to test it when it's actually plugged in? I mean, are the power supply ratings set with no load?

When i get the card back, and it's still doin it, i'll defenity try switchin the ps. For now, I'll think i'll take this a little ways and disconnect everything that isn't needed (ala extra drives, modem...yadada) and try screwin with the bus. Thanks for idea!
 
Ugh, im such a Noob, lol. Voltage rattings in Bios are as follows :

+5v / 5.140v
+12 / 12.471
-12 / -12.40
-5 / -5.07

Another Q related to the above post would be : Is there a way (software related) to moniter the voltage during a heavy system to loads to look for drops?

Thanks again!


One more thing : Is each rail on a pc PS totally independent? Ala if i have low voltage, won't my cpu heat up (akind to low voltage, more amperage, more heat). Or am i kinda off in left field here? lol
 
that psu has a combinned 3.3 and 5 v wattage of about 170 watts you need one with 200 plus

get an antec true power or enermax over 430 watts

speed fan will do that and running sandra burn in

or something similar

to give you an idea were yours is 14 amps

the enermax300 is 28 and the 430 is 38
 
Cool, im startin to get the picture :( . Is the 3.3v reserved for the cpu?

I ran BurnInTest, the one from passmark, but I hear good things about sandra, i'll give it a try. Thanks for the help, and im gonna ditch the ps :(. Thanks again!
 
The 3.3v and 5v feed the entire board+CPU+VGA+MEM.
14v on the 3.3v line is something you would expect to find on a 250w PSU.
 
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