Warning about the new "Secure Boot" BIOS when using an older graphics card!

[antcreatesmagi153f02da]

HI guys, there is another way to get around this secure boot and OLD G Cards.

What you do is DO NOT throw away that old 2000 or 3000 series CPU when you upgrade to a 5000 series + CPU. Then when you buy one of these NEW motherboards DO NOT install the 5000 series + CPU, instead stick in your old CPU, I used a 2700X and it allowed me to boot up and get into CMOS settings (BIOS). I then changed the settings which has caused all of the problems, secure boot, and PCIE 4 (Change to PCIE 3 and not Auto) then save settings. drop your new CPU in and 99.9% of the time it will boot up and your into the warning screen asking if you want to, "Press F1 for setup, F2 to continue to O/S". or something along those lines, or just hit Del, once you have gone through POST, which takes longer the first time you boot up. Monitors should not matter if your on a PC monitor, TV's may be slightly different depending on its age.

Is this my issue you think? You can click on my name and see my post, but I have a b450a pro mobo, rx580 8gb, and ryzen 3 1200 that works - but when I put in ryzen 5 5600x all i would not get post - not lights and fans running and 'boot' led lit up on mobo.

I was about to return this but do you think it could fix the issue?

 

[andysbigbrowneye152102d4]

Is this my issue you think? You can click on my name and see my post, but I have a b450a pro mobo, rx580 8gb, and ryzen 3 1200 that works - but when I put in ryzen 5 5600x all i would not get post - not lights and fans running and 'boot' led lit up on mobo.

I was about to return this but do you think it could fix the issue?

OK now I have had this issue with my 5600x Ryzen 5, on the girlfriends motherboard, and on my 5700X Ryzen 7.

There is a much easier way around this, If you have another LCD TV with HGMI, or 4K TV with HGMI and your Gcard supports HDMI then try one of them to get into your Bio's/Cmos Boot screen.
I, some how, Blew my 2700 Ryzen 7 which made it impossible to do anything, however a wonderful reply from another member here gave me the answer, I have a 4K TV which everything works on, however the Ryzen 5 5600X buggered up the settings in Cmos, which in turn killed off everything and secure boot was turned ON as default once again.

They said that I should try a different Monitor, which I had an Old LG TV which had HDMI. I connected it up and hay presto I got the boot screen and went into Cmos. For some reason my Motherboard is not compatible, for some strange reason, with my 4k TV in Bootup mode, but works perfect when it goes into windows.
Once I got a picture I was able to get into Bio/Cmos and change a few things, for example changing my PCIE from 4th gen to 3rd gen, just in cast that was an issue.

I then, used a Bootable Win 11 USB to make a clean fresh installation of Windows. Yes I regretted installing Win 11 instantly as it wouldn't play some of the games I play, and I ended up having to use Steam to be able to log into these games.

So practical answer is, yes its your CPU, yes the work around is either use a different monitor to boot up and change settings on the motherboard, then see if you can boot up on the original monitor to see if it works. Its a pain, but I love the MSI boards as I can flash them without any trouble. Just press the button at the back with a USB (making sure the file is called MSI.ROM) and hay presto its done. Downside if you have a monitor with shows a blank screen and you just get a Boot LED showing in the EZ LED's its down to the format of your hard drive and secure boot. Using a different Monitor will help if you have one which works.

There are a few work arounds that do work and people here do help a lot.

 

[antcreatesmagi153f02da]

OK now I have had this issue with my 5600x Ryzen 5, on the girlfriends motherboard, and on my 5700X Ryzen 7.

There is a much easier way around this, If you have another LCD TV with HGMI, or 4K TV with HGMI and your Gcard supports HDMI then try one of them to get into your Bio's/Cmos Boot screen.
I, some how, Blew my 2700 Ryzen 7 which made it impossible to do anything, however a wonderful reply from another member here gave me the answer, I have a 4K TV which everything works on, however the Ryzen 5 5600X buggered up the settings in Cmos, which in turn killed off everything and secure boot was turned ON as default once again.

They said that I should try a different Monitor, which I had an Old LG TV which had HDMI. I connected it up and hay presto I got the boot screen and went into Cmos. For some reason my Motherboard is not compatible, for some strange reason, with my 4k TV in Bootup mode, but works perfect when it goes into windows.
Once I got a picture I was able to get into Bio/Cmos and change a few things, for example changing my PCIE from 4th gen to 3rd gen, just in cast that was an issue.

I then, used a Bootable Win 11 USB to make a clean fresh installation of Windows. Yes I regretted installing Win 11 instantly as it wouldn't play some of the games I play, and I ended up having to use Steam to be able to log into these games.

So practical answer is, yes its your CPU, yes the work around is either use a different monitor to boot up and change settings on the motherboard, then see if you can boot up on the original monitor to see if it works. Its a pain, but I love the MSI boards as I can flash them without any trouble. Just press the button at the back with a USB (making sure the file is called MSI.ROM) and hay presto its done. Downside if you have a monitor with shows a blank screen and you just get a Boot LED showing in the EZ LED's its down to the format of your hard drive and secure boot. Using a different Monitor will help if you have one which works.

There are a few work arounds that do work and people here do help a lot.

Thank you for your response. Though I have two monitors hooked up, one DP and one HDMI. Neither one would show any display from the GPU. In bios it is set to CSM and I just disabled secure boot and I'm working up the courage to try to install the ryzen 5 again. What do you think?

 

[andysbigbrowneye152102d4]

Thank you for your response. Though I have two monitors hooked up, one DP and one HDMI. Neither one would show any display from the GPU. In bios it is set to CSM and I just disabled secure boot and I'm working up the courage to try to install the ryzen 5 again. What do you think?

I do hope it works fine for you now. But once you have it working I would save the Bios config to a file on a USB, just in case you have to do a bios update which causes your system to not load up again, however most updates now have Secure Boot set to Off as Default now.

If you do go for Win 11 remember that requires Secure Boot to be turned on, and your going to have to use GPT partition style, which probably isnt the partition which you are using now. This causes the Boot problems under Secure Boot.

 

[flame.shi157402da]

Hello, I just built my first pc and encountered this problem last night.
I'm using Ryzen 5 5600G and MSI B550M-A Pro, with 16 gigs of RAM, running Win 11.
I hadn't upgraded my bios or anything, and I can't access my BIOS at all.
Everytime I boot my pc up, it's like 3-4 secs of blank screen, then windows login screen.
Spamming DEL button and trying to enter UEFI from advanced startup all result in a blank screen.
Does anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks

 

[Alan J T]

Hello, I just built my first pc and encountered this problem last night.
I'm using Ryzen 5 5600G and MSI B550M-A Pro, with 16 gigs of RAM, running Win 11.
I hadn't upgraded my bios or anything, and I can't access my BIOS at all.
Everytime I boot my pc up, it's like 3-4 secs of blank screen, then windows login screen.
Spamming DEL button and trying to enter UEFI from advanced startup all result in a blank screen.
Does anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks

See this topic there is a tool for blind flashing your bios so it can be updated

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/forum-uefi-shell-flash-tool-v1-19-for-msi-boards-%E2%9C%94.343010/

 

[flame.shi157402da]

See this topic there is a tool for blind flashing your bios so it can be updated

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/forum-uefi-shell-flash-tool-v1-19-for-msi-boards-%E2%9C%94.343010/

Thank you very much for your kind answer.
But, which BIOS should I use?
Should I go with the latest one?
Or is it better to pick a specific previous version?

 

[Alan J T]

I am using 1.2.0.6 I find it a bit better than the latest bios

 

[Gaarrl]

Just found this thread, read the first post and am now posting, will read the rest later...
After a bios update this summer, everything went dark (no bios, no post)
Had a B450m Mortar Titanium, R5 2600, 980Ti. So I definitely was in the "older graphics card category". And this GPU had problems like overheating, very sparse and random blackscreens + full fans on. But could also run weeks with no issues. So as i said I updated the bios to see if it could fix things, made them worse.
I still have the RAM, board and CPU, and i'm getting my hands on a 5700xt this weekend. So if i get this right the new GPU should basically solve everything ?
Big thanks to OP who gave me hope to save this MOBO

 

[n.wordtman12ec02b1]

Hello, unfortunately I have the same problem. Is it really just old graphics cards? I have an Asus 3080TI TUF and a MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI + CPU Ryzen 3700X. As soon as I update to the bios version 7C37v1J and install Win 11, I can no longer get into my BIOS (screen remains black) . In 9 out of 10 cases, Windows also does not start and the screen remains black. Then i have to flash back to vers. 7C37v1F with an USB stick.

What can I do?

Will AGESA 1.2.0.8 be released soon?

 

[laurence1211]

Hello, unfortunately I have the same problem. Is it really just old graphics cards? I have an Asus 3080TI TUF and MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI. As soon as I update to the bios version 7C37v1J and install Win 11, I can no longer get into my BIOS. In 9 out of 10 cases, Windows also does not start and the screen remains black. Then i have to flash back to vers. 7C37v1F with an USB stick.

What can I do?

Will AGESA 1.2.0.8 be released soon?

Check for a firmware update for the graphic card its self from nvidia and/or asus.
Edit:https://www.asus.com/uk/motherboard...aming/tuf-rtx3080ti-12g-gaming/helpdesk_bios/

 

[n.wordtman12ec02b1]

Check for a firmware update for the graphic card its self from nvidia and/or asus.
Edit:https://www.asus.com/uk/motherboard...aming/tuf-rtx3080ti-12g-gaming/helpdesk_bios/

The tool says. My graphics card does not need a bios update

 

[laurence1211]

The tool says. My graphics card does not need a bios update

Whats the rest of your system specs?

 

[n.wordtman12ec02b1]

Whats the rest of your system specs?

CPU: Ryzen 3700X
Board: MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI
VGA: ASUS 3080TI TUF
RAM: 2*16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3,2 GHZ CL16
Speicher: 1x Force MP 600 500GB + 1x SSD 500 GB von WD + 1TB HD von WD
OS: Win 10 x64 22H2

(No overclocking, everything on default settings)

 

[laurence1211]

CPU: Ryzen 3700X
Board: MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI
VGA: ASUS 3080TI TUF
RAM: 2*16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3,2 GHZ CL16
Speicher: 1x Force MP 600 500GB + 1x SSD 500 GB von WD + 1TB HD von WD
OS: Win 10 x64 22H2

(No overclocking, everything on default settings)

Does 7C37v1H affect the system the same way as 7C37v1J?
Edit: Does this version of the updater say the same thing as the asus version? https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...nvidia-gpu-firmware-update-tool-for-displayid

 

[n.wordtman12ec02b1]

Does 7C37v1H affect the system the same way as 7C37v1J?
Edit: Does this version of the updater say the same thing as the asus version? https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...nvidia-gpu-firmware-update-tool-for-displayid

Thank you for your help The Nvidia tool also does not show a firmware update. Everything is up to date. Now I have the bios version 7C37v1H and upgraded to Win11. Everything seems to be working fine at the moment. I heard that with AGESA 1.2.0.7 the system should have better performance. I will still test this.

 

[laurence1211]

Thank you for your help The Nvidia tool also does not show a firmware update. Everything is up to date. Now I have the bios version 7C37v1H and upgraded to Win11. Everything seems to be working fine at the moment. I heard that with AGESA 1.2.0.7 the system should have better performance. I will still test this.

Sounds good, let us know if that changes.

 

[garyww2158d02e6]

hi i am having this simular problem except i have a asus rog 3060ti gaming gpu sometimes my msi boot logo will show up and sometimes it wont and also noticed sometimes i get bad glitchy/flickering when i do go into my bios or even if i use a windows install usb stick this all started after i started installing bios updates i tried going back to older versions but it still acts the same but if i use bios flashback the symptoms go away until after a few reboots then it returns my specs are msi x570 gaming edge wifi ryzen 7 3700x rog 3060ti gaming ram 64gb 1tb wd blue nvme 1tb intel 660p nvme windows 11 22h2 i am on the newest bios version gpu driver is 527.56 i also posted a video clip on my youtube channel of how my screen acts and it all clears up once booted into windows no glitching or flickering even if i am playing a game and i got curious so i switched to a msi 1080 and a 1070 ti duke graphics card and still got the same results

 

[citay]

That was very difficult to read, as there were no punctuation marks or paragraphs. Anyway, your issue is not related to what is talked about in this thread. If you get glitches or flickering with an graphics card you try, then you have to look at the cable and the monitor. What's your monitor model, and also, what's your PSU (model and age)?

Better make a new thread about that issue and include that information, so we don't go back and forth here in this thread which is about something else.

 

[garyww2158d02e6]

ROG 3060 ti 2020 my screen is a sceptre 2k model. i have changed from my sceptre tv to different monitors and that doesn't help. i have also changed graphics cards and it still flickers/glitchy and sometimes i see no msi boot logo just boots straight into windows. then sometimes i get lucky and my bios screen is fine. i never had this issue when i first built my pc it only started after i started updating my bios to the newest bios version.