!!! Warning: Z490 boards - problem with recent BIOS updates !!!

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There is a common problem with the latest BIOS updates for Z490 boards: The update seems to finish, the PC reboots, but then it's stuck with the EZ Debug LED "CPU" being on.

The danger has first appeared with the April/May 2021 BIOS update (changelog: "Improved Audio compatibility"), and may continue with newer updates as well, potentially causing the same issue: The board can become unusable / "bricked" because of a failed flash process.

Note that there is no risk of this with BIOS updates for MSI mainboards using other chipsets (like Z390, B460, Z590, B560, Z690, B660, X470, B450, X570, B550, and so on).
This can only happen on MSI Z490 boards. People with other boards can update normally.

The first reports about a Z490 BIOS update causing problems was at the beginning of May 2021: z490 Tomahawk CPU Debug LED Stuck on after latest BIOS update
Then in May 2021, this thread: Warning : V17 bios for Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi release Monday may brick your board., and several more after.

I have found no reports of problems with any of the earlier BIOS updates, only with the ones from mid-2021 and newer. Also, this problem doesn't happen all the time, otherwise this forum would be absolutely flooded with complaints. But it is a real danger, as you will see below when i list some of the affected users.

Normally i'm all for updating the BIOS, and i do it pretty much immediately on my boards whenever a new BIOS is released. And this Z490 issue is the first such problem i ever saw. But the main problem is: Unlike some newer-generation boards, most of the Z490 boards have no way of recovering from it. For most people, the only way to solve this would be to RMA the board, or try their luck with an external BIOS programming device. The only Z490 boards where it's no problem are the two sister boards MEG Z490 UNIFY and ACE, and the MEG Z490 GODLIKE, because those three have a USB Flashback function (Flash BIOS Button). There you can flash back to an older version and the board works again, or you can even flash the newest version until it works (once the BIOS is successfully flashed, even the three newest versions will work fine).

The newer Z590, Z690 and Z790 boards now almost all have a Flash BIOS Button (and corresponding USB port) on the rear I/O panel through which users can "force-flash" the BIOS in case of problems. So i guess MSI rather add that function everywhere now, instead of dealing with RMAs of bricked boards when something goes wrong. Once you have this "USB Flashback" feature on a board, a problem like this becomes harmless, because you can just re-flash the latest BIOS and make it work again.

I have researched about all the users i could find that have been affected by this, so everyone can see the full scope of the problem. I don't think i exaggerate when i claim that this is a huge problem for MSI and their reputation, and to my knowledge, they have not reacted until this day. They released the September BIOS update for Windows 11 compatibility, and while such an update went well on my Z590 board at the time, as expected (plus it has the safety net of the Flash USB Button), there are still reports of the similar Z490 update potentially causing this problem there. Each day, there are many people updating their BIOS on MSI mainboards without any issues, and only on Z490 boards we see this kind of problem.

As a longtime MSI user, this kind of problem with the Z490 boards is unacceptable, even if i don't have a Z490 board myself.
Therefore, i decided to try to bring further attention to it, so hopefully MSI can do something about it as soon as possible.

Update October 7, 2021: MSI are now seemingly aware of this issue, as was confirmed on a German forum by an official MSI account. I will update this post/thread if there is any progress.

Update October 29, 2021: A user received a link from MSI with a tool for manual flashing from the command line. However, this is just an interim solution if you absolutely want to update to the newest Z490 BIOS and reduce the risk of failure. We are still waiting for them to upload new BIOS updates where this potential problem is 100% fixed.

Update March 6, 2022: Still no solution from MSI.

Update August 17, 2023: Still nothing from MSI, although there are considerably less cases now than there have been two years ago, we barely get any new victims. So maybe the newest BIOS versions are way less problematic again. As for updating an MSI Z490 board, i now recommend using the Forum Flash Tool as linked here. There has been no corrupt Z490 BIOS reported with it yet.


If the problem already happened, the best do-it-yourself solution by far is this kind of method with an external flash programmer (bit more info here), it has a 100% success rate from what i have read so far. Meaning, more or less everyone that seriously tried that method could eventually flash their BIOS with it and get the board back to a working state. So for everyone wanting to avoid a possibly lengthy RMA process, this is a viable option. The programming device is quite cheap, but it involves a bit of research and spirit of adventure. Luckily, there are good guides about it on Youtube for example.


One final word: It is important not to be put off from doing BIOS updates altogether by this. BIOS updates fix bugs, add new features, and they even improve performance. It is extremely rare that a whole line of mainboard models has such a potential problem. So, nobody should conclude never to do any BIOS updates again, that would be the wrong thing to learn from this. Instead, once this problem is fixed for the Z490 boards, the BIOS updates can once again be an important way to make the system work better, faster, and with less bugs. On other boards with a Flash BIOS Button as a safety net, there is literally no reason to shy away from any BIOS updates. Even here with the Z490 boards, whenever users with the the boards Z490 ACE, UNIFY or GODLIKE were affected, they could easily recover from it using the Flash BIOS Button. This problem could only become so big because all the other Z490 board models from MSI didn't have the Flash BIOS Button yet.


Statistics:
Affected total users (from this list and from further replies to this thread): 183
Users that could fix it themselves using the Flash BIOS Button (
Z490 ACE/UNIFY/GODLIKE): 9
Users that could fix it themselves using an external programming device: 12
Users who did an RMA with the vendor or MSI for a fix/replacement: 56
RMA declined because of existing unrelated damage on the board: 4
Users that bought a new board themselves: 9
No further information / no RMA yet: 93

Users that updated via MSI Center / Dragon Center Live Update: 85
Users that updated via M-FLASH in the BIOS: 66
Update method unknown:
32


List of affected users i have found on the forum, as of first posting this thread:

(Roughly in chronological order)

User: @datz.bunz
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: 7C80v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Bought a replacement board (ASUS)

User: @mace014ea02cd
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: 7C80v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Got a replacement board

User: @dr_overflo153302df
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: 7C80v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Bought a replacement board

User: @sixpackvbal129b02ae
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: 7C80v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI, got his repaired board back

User: @mark.hadda156c02dd
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk?
CPU: 10850k
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: 7C80v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @mickh5494
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v17
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI?

User: @kenneth.cotma151802d1
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490I Unify
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through vendor, sent to MSI for repair

User: @anglnotre15dd02f0
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Plus
CPU: 10600K
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA, got his repaired board back with older BIOS vA6 on

User: @lesurvenan152302d4
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: 10600K
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v17
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI?

User: @sa3aa14e902d9
Date of failed flashing: May 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v17
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Goes "back to ASUS"

User: @jallu_col129b02ae
Date of failed flashing: June 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi
CPU: 10900K
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA denied due to small scratch on the board. Bought a replacement board from different brand

User: @Own3d
Date of failed flashing: June 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi ?
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI

User: @luis.stuardo2151c02d3
Date of failed flashing: June 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. It will be "his last board from MSI"

User: @tehjacku151402ce
Date of failed flashing: June 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA denied by MSI (didn't go into detail), got a replacement through insurance

User: @mark.robinson198127b02ab
Date of failed flashing: June 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @dj3for10
Date of failed flashing: June 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. "Contemplates life in front of dead PC"

User: @jwilby8160102f6
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through vendor

User: @ferran.duarr157e02dd
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490I Unify
CPU: 11700
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through vendor

User: @Rubik
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490I Unify ?
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Successfully repaired it by using a BIOS programmer,

User: @janschulteortbec154a02d3
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490I Unify ?
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @hardcore_gamer29
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: 10900K
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through service center, got his repaired board back

User: @yamei031154f02d7
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: 10900K
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI

User: @saokirito93156102df
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI
CPU: 10600KF
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @jwilby8160102f6
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through vendor

User: @gmbeas160158102e0
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI?

User: @mohdrodz15bf02ed
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 ?
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA

User: @mikemauge154a02d7
Date of failed flashing: July 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: 10900
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v17
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI, got his repaired board back with BIOS v17 on

User: @xsketchyfruit12fc02b9
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Pro Plus
CPU: 10400
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @yxh93021154502dc
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Pro Plus
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @John Eisberg
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 UNIFY
CPU: 10900K
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: vA9
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Used "Flash BIOS Button" method to force-flash to BIOS vA8, board works again

User: @aaronpeigh
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 UNIFY
CPU: 10850K
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: vA9
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Used "Flash BIOS Button" method to force-flash to BIOS vA8, board works again

User: @dan.pahal125b02a7
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: 10700K
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v18?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA

User: @amichele154f02db
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Plus
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: vA8
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI?

User: @j0sefuz115d402ee
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: v18
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @mikkl1620
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Tomahawk
CPU: 10600K
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA denied due to slightly bent pins in the CPU socket. Bought a replacement board "Z590 Tomahawk"

User: @yohan.vandevell154002e1
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Opened a ticket with MSI

User: @jonathan84012e802b5
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @takocankol
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 ?
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

User: @christoph.urba128d02aa
Date of failed flashing: August 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Plus
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: MSI/Dragon Center Live Update
Attempted update to BIOS version: ?
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. Wants to attempt manual BIOS flash with CH341A EEPROM programmer,

User: @seeknay7415ae02f0
Date of failed flashing: September 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Carbon WIFI
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI. "Very unlikely he will buy another MSI board after this"

User: @mastersap157d02db
Date of failed flashing: September 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Carbon WIFI
CPU: ?
Flashing method used: ?
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update. RMA through MSI?, got a new board of the same model

User: @stro152c02d9
Date of failed flashing: September 2021
Affected board model: Z490 Gaming Edge
CPU: 10500
Flashing method used: M-FLASH
Attempted update to BIOS version: v19
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.



Everyone with the same problem on Z490 that doesn't find themselves on the list, feel free to reply here using the same format, here is a template:
Date of failed flashing:
Affected board model:
CPU:
Flashing method used:
Attempted update to BIOS version:
Result: Stuck at EZ Debug LED "CPU" after update.

Whenever i have seen your reply and included it in the statistics, i will give a "thumbs up" for it to thank you for your participation.

Also, feel free to refer to this thread in your communication with the vendor or with MSI. Hopefully MSI will finally start to recognize this problem and do something about it.

Someone asked me if they can thank me for my work by sending me something via Paypal: Yes, that's possible, just write me a message and i'll tell you my Paypal 😉
 
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Please only post in English here, but yes, that is most likely the BIOS chip. If you can tell me what's written on there, i can double-check.

On my Z490 Tomahawk the chip shown is a Macronix MX25L25673G. This is a 3V Quad I/O Flash Memory chip that is likely the BIOS.
 
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Further to my earlier post.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?...with-recent-bios-updates.367575/#post-2082468
My experience of MSI support continues to be extremely poor.

My BIOS update failed on 03-Oct-21. I opened an MSI account and raised a web ticket.
MSI's response was that I should remove and reset the CPU. This seemed strange as there was no CPU fault before the BIOS update. However, I did this and of course it made no difference. I reported this back to MSI who did not respond. I contacted MSI again and referred to this thread. The response I got was that MSI closed my ticket without answering the questions and passed the case on to support. Support emailed me and said send the motherboard back to the company I purchased it from. Unfortunately MSI do not allow you to RMA motherboardboards directly to them in the UK. I did this and it has now been with the supplier for 14 days. I asked the supplier for an update today and they said they are still waiting for an RMA from MSI.

I have been without a working motherboard for 18 days and MSI have not directly acknowledged there is an issue or authorised an RMA to fix my motherboard.
I have no date when this will be done and the motherboard returned to me.

MSI has now pulled the most recent Windows 11 BIOS updates but from this thread it is clear that the issue predates the Windows 11 BIOS updates.
It seems that MSI do not yet really understand the issue. They are not directly acknowledging it and my experience is that are doing nothing to help those of us who have been affected by it in the UK.
 
on my z490 gaming carbon wifi the bios chip is "winbond 25X20CLNIG"
Using ch341a and AsProgeammer it did not detect automatically, I searched and found "winbond 25X20CL" but every time I try to right on the chip using MSI BIOS I get this error "Fiels Size Is larger Than IC"
need help please.
 
but every time I try to right on the chip using MSI BIOS I get this error "Fiels Size Is larger Than IC"

The BIOS update file might contain extra information at the beginning (like metadata) for the M-FLASH updater, which is not needed when you flash directly with a programmer. You might have to delete the extra data with a hex editor. They describe it here: https://maylohack.ru/en/est-sovetik...cessor-kak-vosstanovit-bios-kompyutera-i.html

I haven't programmed a BIOS with a CH341a programmer before, so i don't know for sure if you have to do that for MSI updates, but since the board already doesn't boot, you can't make it any worse.
 
Please only post in English here, but yes, that is most likely the BIOS chip. If you can tell me what's written on there, i can double-check.
Sorry, it was automatically translated for me.
If I know what the BIOS is, I just want to confirm if all the motherboards have the same model or others (I had to flash with a programmer and luckily it is working correctly)
 
If I know what the BIOS is, I just want to confirm if all the motherboards have the same model or others (I had to flash with a programmer and luckily it is working correctly)

Ah, so you wanted to know what kind of BIOS chip was on other people's board, because you successfully flashed a certain BIOS chip on your Z490 Tomahawk with your external programmer?
 
The BIOS update file might contain extra information at the beginning (like metadata) for the M-FLASH updater, which is not needed when you flash directly with a programmer. You might have to delete the extra data with a hex editor. They describe it here: https://maylohack.ru/en/est-sovetik...cessor-kak-vosstanovit-bios-kompyutera-i.html

I haven't programmed a BIOS with a CH341a programmer before, so i don't know for sure if you have to do that for MSI updates, but since the board already doesn't boot, you can't make it any worse.
The problem is the BIOS that was on the chip is corrupted and when I try to read it it shows FF FF FF everywhere so I can not use it to know where to cut the BIOS from MSI.
Also the ship size is 2Mbit which is equal to 256kb and MSI Bios is 32mb, there is something wrong but I can not tell if it is the ch341a programmer not reading correctly or I am doing something wrong.
If anyone was able to flash Z490 Carbon WIFI chip ID = " Winbond 25X20CLNIG" using ch341a please provide me with the steps and files used.
Thank you

BTW, MSI issued RMA for my motherboard but I checked with the shipping company and it will cost me 340 USD to ship to and from MSI, :cry:
 
The problem is the BIOS that was on the chip is corrupted and when I try to read it it shows FF FF FF everywhere so I can not use it to know where to cut the BIOS from MSI.
Also the ship size is 2Mbit which is equal to 256kb and MSI Bios is 32mb, there is something wrong but I can not tell if it is the ch341a programmer not reading correctly or I am doing something wrong.
If anyone was able to flash Z490 Carbon WIFI chip ID = " Winbond 25X20CLNIG" using ch341a please provide me with the steps and files used.
Thank you

BTW, MSI issued RMA for my motherboard but I checked with the shipping company and it will cost me 340 USD to ship to and from MSI, :cry:

Holy cow 340 USD?!
I only paid to ship to MSI. It cost me ~18USD, and I was already pissed. Not sure if it's just me new to RMAs but I was expecting them to cover both ways.
 
The problem is the BIOS that was on the chip is corrupted and when I try to read it it shows FF FF FF everywhere so I can not use it to know where to cut the BIOS from MSI.
Also the ship size is 2Mbit which is equal to 256kb and MSI Bios is 32mb, there is something wrong but I can not tell if it is the ch341a programmer not reading correctly or I am doing something wrong.
If anyone was able to flash Z490 Carbon WIFI chip ID = " Winbond 25X20CLNIG" using ch341a please provide me with the steps and files used.
Thank you

BTW, MSI issued RMA for my motherboard but I checked with the shipping company and it will cost me 340 USD to ship to and from MSI, :cry:

In that case it would be best to use an original backup

I recommend you look at vinafix and buy a bios backup
 
Holy cow 340 USD?!

Well, he's from Saudi Arabia and the RMA would be with MSI USA, since he ordered it from Newegg. It's good of them to even offer it, but financially absurd, as the board costs less than the shipping.


in vinafix the file size is also 32mb i need a 256kb file but still not sure if ch341a programmer reading the chip correctly

No motherboard BIOS is 256 KB nowadays. You could't fit anything in there. It's 256 Mbit, which is 32 MB. This is pretty much the universal BIOS chip size now.

I think the early 400-series AMD boards were the last ones to use 16 MB BIOS chips. Since the AM4 socket supports a lot of different CPUs, and each CPU generation on AMD needs about 2-3 MB of its own AGESA/microcode for support, they ran into serious size constraints in the BIOS:

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That's why they have had to remove support for the oldest CPUs and make the layout more text-based on those boards in order to add support for newer CPUs.

They later released MAX versions of those boards which have a 32 MB BIOS chip:

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Then they could offer all the features and nice graphical BIOS design again.

So today, 32 MB BIOS chips are standard, otherwise they might run into size constraints when they want to add new features or support more hardware later.
 
Well, he's from Saudi Arabia and the RMA would be with MSI USA, since he ordered it from Newegg. It's good of them to even offer it, but financially absurd, as the board costs less than the shipping.
True, but even if I order from local shops they all offer 1 year warranty like Newegg,
I asked if possible to send for repair in Saudi Arabia or a near country but they said only in USA for motherboard/VGA products.
" Please note that motherboard/VGA products do not have global warranty coverage" MSI Customer Support.

Which means after 1 year I have to send it back to USA regardless where I bought it from. This is the case with most manufactures.
I am not complaining and I understand why the customer service asked me to pay for the shipping, just explaining my situation and that is why I am trying to solve using the programmer as it is the only solution I have.

If I can't fix it I will buy a new motherboard also from MSI, 'Love MSI', but I will choose one with BIOS Flash Button this time.

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No motherboard BIOS is 256 KB nowadays. You could't fit anything in there. It's 256 Mbit, which is 32 MB. This is pretty much the universal BIOS chip size now.
So today, 32 MB BIOS chips are standard, otherwise they might run into size constraints when they want to add new features or support more hardware later.
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It says 2 Mbit, I guess the programmer did not work for my chip, that is why I need to know if someone with same chip as mine got the same problem or not.


citay, thank you for your helpful information (y)
 
Ah, so you wanted to know what kind of BIOS chip was on other people's board, because you successfully flashed a certain BIOS chip on your Z490 Tomahawk with your external programmer?
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[USER = 948237] TuXEKR156d02de [/ USER]


¿Qué programador usaste?

Aparentemente, el modelo gaming edge wifi z490 usa el mismo chip bios que tomahawk

MX25L25673G

Yes, he did it successfully. I am documenting everything that I have done for anyone who has no doubt about it. The programmer used is the "XGecu TL866II Plus".

I was also analyzing the possibility of acquiring the chip and reprogramming it so that whoever wants to can buy the chip and only have to solder it on the board (8 pins), it is a relatively simple solder. The problem is that the chip is quite expensive, between € 5-10 within Europe. But much cheaper than the programmer.
 
BIOS FLASH TUTORIAL

I have just compiled all the information and I have captured it on my blog. I leave the link here, it is in Spanish, but with google translate it should be fairly well understood.

I would appreciate if you could give me your feedback and use the blog comments (no registration required).

Any questions, quote me or write a comment and I will try to help you as much as possible (and if necessary clarify it on the blog).

@stro152c02d9 @citay

Link: https://am.xekro.com/flash-bios-msi-mag-z490-tomahawk/
English translate: https://am-xekro-com.translate.goog...r_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=nui
 
on my z490 gaming carbon wifi the bios chip is "winbond 25X20CLNIG"
Using ch341a and AsProgeammer it did not detect automatically, I searched and found "winbond 25X20CL" but every time I try to right on the chip using MSI BIOS I get this error "Fiels Size Is larger Than IC"
need help please.
Did you try to read the chip? I understand the content is corrupted, anyway at least you can have a confirmation that connection is good.
Also what about voltages? Did you modify the ch341a? Are you using a clamp or jumper wires to the TPM connector?
You can contact me in PM if you feel so.
Or @citay can give us permission to "abuse" his thread?
 
Did you try to read the chip? I understand the content is corrupted, anyway at least you can have a confirmation that connection is good.
Also what about voltages? Did you modify the ch341a? Are you using a clamp or jumper wires to the TPM connector?
You can contact me in PM if you feel so.
Or @citay can give us permission to "abuse" his thread?
I sent you a PM.
Thank you
We can share the information here if we find a solution
 
BIOS FLASH TUTORIAL

Well-written tutorial. Yes, the external programmer you used is quite expensive, but you can probably can sell it again with minimal losses.

One thing about identifying the BIOS chip: Look towards the bottom of the board first, a lot of times it will be located there. Whenever your board has a chip with 8 pins and "Winbond" written on it, you're lucky, it can only be the BIOS chip. But it's not always from Winbond. The board will also have other 8-pin chips next to each fan connector, but with "Nuvoton" written on them, but anything from Nuvoton is usually related to fan control / voltage control and not the BIOS chip.

edit: I made a picture with the precise location for most MSI Z490 boards: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?...ecent-bios-updates.367575/page-7#post-2086175

We can share the information here if we find a solution

Yes, it would be good to discuss is between yourselves, and when you have it figured out, you can write a tutorial or so, if you want.
 
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