What I hate about the Eclipse SLi

Surreal-Killer

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Not sure where to post this kind of thing, but having spent a fortune (?3,500 to be exact) on my new build PC, I thought I'd make a quick list of why I regret buying the MSI Eclipse SLi MB rather than another manufacturer.  Maybe someone from MSI will read this and slap their designers about a bit :rolleyes:

1)  It has 10 SATA ports and supports SLi.  What they don't tell you is that if you have 2 GFX cards, you cannot use 2 of the SATA ports as the 2nd GFX card covers them up.  I had to purchase an additional PCI-E SATA card, and now, obviously, 2 of my planned devices don't work until Windows has booted and the drivers are loaded. :biggthumbsdown:

2)  If you have a 2nd GFX card, it covers up the DLED and you cannot read the POST messages. :wall:

3)  Needing to use a piece of tape to fix the thermocouple to some component  :think:

4)  Less than great documentation on the BIOS options

5)  Having only 2 USB headers on the MB.  With everything being USB these days, more headers would be good so I can connect up my multi-card reader as well as case-mounted USB ports. :nooo:

6)  Poorly performing RAID implementation (or poor drivers) for RAID5

Anyway, that's my rant over for now.  I've always used MSI MB's (except my last one was an Abit), but this has really put me off buying another one.  I really regret it.
 

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This is a user to user forum, no one works for MSI and MSI doesnt come to this forum either.
This forum is about problem solving and not ranting and flaming, go spill your beans else where.
You wanted to be one of the first to have a X58 board and cpu.
Then you should also be ready for bugs and stuff

Cheers
 

Surreal-Killer

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Hi,

Well, it wasn't supposed to be a rant, and it certainly isn't flaming as far as I can tell, but more informational for anyone thinking of purchasing this board so they can see the pitfalls as I see them.  I wish there had been a post such as mine when I was doing my research, and I would have been able to make a more balanced decision.  Instead all I found were rave reviews by people seemingly employed by MSI, because no one has picked up on any of the points I make, such as the 2nd GFX card covering up two of the SATA ports, which to be honest, the ONLY reason I went "bleeding edge" was because of the 10 SATA ports.

I've been around in IT (and have run a number of companies) a while, and its 30 years since I hand-built my first computer with a soldering iron.  If you honestly think MSI don't come here and see what is being said, you're very wrong.  I always visit the forums for my products, and those of my competitors, to see what is being said to get feedback and ideas.....

And yes, you are absolutely 100% correct, I wanted the latest and fastest CPU, so I went bleeding edge on the technology, and so yes, I am ready for bugs.  But if you read my post, I'm not reporting bugs, just horrendously bad design as I see it. 

I did not mean to offend, merely offer an honest opinion, which seems to be lacking elsewhere on the InterWeb
 

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Surreal-Killer said:
But if you read my post, I'm not reporting bugs, just horrendously bad design as I see it. 
Did you buy a black box with "something" inside of it?

http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1839_16.html
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/msi_x58_eclipse/20.html
You can find many other similar reviews.
 

karlotta

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whatever...RemusM and DaLoona, he is right i have the MB and it has some stupid design issues... quiet a few too. i wish i had know also, but ill will keep it for a bit longer then move on to a better lay out.
 
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Many would agree with you about the GFX/SATA port problem, not just on that MB but plenty of others as well. My personal opinion is that it's time for slightly larger (wider) MBs since you can only fit so much stuff on a PCB that has not changed in size, to fit more of one thing you need to leave something else off.

But an informative post can also be made and welcomed without ranting and as you said helpfull to others doing some research for product purchases.

Your 3) What are you referring to? 4) That's a fairly common complaint for a lot of manuals. 6) Yup, software vs hardware RAID but then price and territory (1) & 5) also fit into the size constraints here, positioning is another story) to build on are big constraints there. Drivers no doubt will improve.

This after all is 1st generation of the MB and surely future generations will change the hardware configuration/layout.
 

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You, Surreal-Killer & karlotta, are missing the point! This forum has helped me resolve some tech. issues that crop up from time to time. Take your complaining to a site that asks for reviews such as yours that have nothing to do with those of us trying to help each other out.

Did you address your concerns to the manufacturer, or was your initial researching just a bit lacking to see if planned components had any clearance or fit or functioning issues?
 

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Well,

I never wanted this to turn into a massive argument, only I wanted to point out the design flaws as I see them.  Already some good points have been made, including the larger motherboard size.  My thermaltake case, and my coolermaster before it, can accommodate 3 and 4 GFX cards, and have at least another 5-6cm on the MB tray for such an eventuality.

Maybe this post is in the wrong area of this forum (and I think I said that at the beginning, maybe a forum admin can move it to the relevant section??) but I wish I had seen something more objective before I took all the marketing at face value.  The board is a very capable board, and I *did* research for a number of weeks before going for this MB, but even I managed to miss the GFX card/SATA port issue.  And so did the 20-30 reviewers whose sites I visted and read their experiences of building with this MB.

But HU16E, I *am* helping others.  Others that want to have 2 GFX cards and 10 SATA devices will read this BEFORE they buy the Eclipse SLi, and then won't, saving yet more "rants" on this forum.
 

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:worship: Thanks for that tech help you have provided in the other posts! That's what the forum is all about. Users helping users. Don't want any hard feelings. I guess the main thing that started the 'fire in the hole' for me, was not reading anything you posted of contacting MSI with your concerns to address the issues you have encountered with this board prior to posting.
 

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>>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<<

As has been stated, this is a user to user forum for assisting others. These forums are not a sounding board for dislikes, complaints, or bashing. Although, suggestions on improvements are always welcomed, but, since MSI rarely comes to look at the forums and even more rarely posts, getting communication to MSI is best done directly.  Whether you believe it or not, MSI rarely visits here.
 

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Surreal-Killer said:
Not sure where to post this kind of thing, but having spent a fortune (?3,500 to be exact) on my new build PC, I thought I'd make a quick list of why I regret buying the MSI Eclipse SLi MB rather than another manufacturer.  Maybe someone from MSI will read this and slap their designers about a bit :rolleyes:

1)  It has 10 SATA ports and supports SLi.  What they don't tell you is that if you have 2 GFX cards, you cannot use 2 of the SATA ports as the 2nd GFX card covers them up.  I had to purchase an additional PCI-E SATA card, and now, obviously, 2 of my planned devices don't work until Windows has booted and the drivers are loaded. :biggthumbsdown:

2)  If you have a 2nd GFX card, it covers up the DLED and you cannot read the POST messages. :wall:

3)  Needing to use a piece of tape to fix the thermocouple to some component  :think:

4)  Less than great documentation on the BIOS options

5)  Having only 2 USB headers on the MB.  With everything being USB these days, more headers would be good so I can connect up my multi-card reader as well as case-mounted USB ports. :nooo:

6)   Poorly performing RAID implementation (or poor drivers) for RAID5

Anyway, that's my rant over for now.  I've always used MSI MB's (except my last one was an Abit), but this has really put me off buying another one.  I really regret it.
1.)  I solved the SATA issue by connecting the sata cables to the ports BEFORE i put the cards in.  Mine work fine.
2.) What GFX card are you using?  I have 2 x GTX285's and they are NOT small. Yet I can still see my DLED.  Perhaps if you squat down to eye level vs. Looking from the top of the board down?
3.) Not sure what you are talking about. I know my Copper heat pipe was missing a plastic retention clip and spring/  Found it packaged UNDER THE BOARD (damn QA dropped the ball).  Clip was broken so I had to pay $5 for shipping or a new plastic clip for mine.
4.) I agree they need to document the BIOS much better.
5.) To be fair, most ALL the major sellers like Newegg and Tigerdirect list how many stat headders, usb headders etc there are.  Not knowing there were only 2 herders is the fault of the buyer.
6.) On board raid is always cheap bro.  Good raid cards can cost around $200-1000USD.  Hardware > Software.  I bought a mid line SATA Raid card for my box.  Have 3 raptor drives in Raid 0.  VERY happy i did it to.
 
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