Which brand M.2 SSD you use? MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI

[frieren]

Hello guys,

Anyone with MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI motherboard; which M.2 SSD you use considering you don't experiance boot problems (random loss of M_1 or M_2 SSD)?

So far Samsung 990Pro 1TB/2TB and Samsung 980Pro 1TB/2TB has boot problems. I'm considering to get MSI SPATIUM M480 PRO 2TB -_-

Thank you in advance!

 

[robaato.san]

I would also avoid WD, as I have an SN850X, and sometimes it's not recognised, even though the situation is better since manually setting the generation (Gen 4) instead of leaving at "Auto" in the BIOS. However, my Crucial P5 Plus is recognised all the time 100% (although it's going through the chipset instead of the CPU).

I'm still wondering if putting the M.2 drive in a slot which goes through the chipset instead of the CPU would make any difference.

I might replace my WD M.2 SSD with a Crucial one in the future.

 

[sherbrovideo15a102de]

So, do only Samsung M.2 and SATA cause problems?

From all the reading I did on different platforms and forums if you take out the bad bios batches that screwed up the M.2 slots then you still have the prime suspect with Samsung SSDs and then you see the occasional WD SSDs that also aren't exactly kosher with AMD platforms, something is up with this SSD's vendors controllers that don't always interact okay with AMD platforms.

I'm sure they are aware of it, yet it doesn't happen enough so that they are forced to address it and fix it or maybe they just can't. But if you do your homework and plan on going AMD then best to stay away from Samsung and WD drives or you will be playing the odds game that in all fairness are in your favor but then again why gamble.

 

[xares153702d5]

From all the reading I did on different platforms and forums if you take out the bad bios batches that screwed up the M.2 slots then you still have the prime suspect with Samsung SSDs and then you see the occasional WD SSDs that also aren't exactly kosher with AMD platforms, something is up with this SSD's vendors controllers that don't always interact okay with AMD platforms.

I'm sure they are aware of it, yet it doesn't happen enough so that they are forced to address it and fix it or maybe they just can't. But if you do your homework and plan on going AMD then best to stay away from Samsung and WD drives or you will be playing the odds game that in all fairness are in your favor but then again why gamble.

ok, thanks. I'm not going to take any chances with Samsung or WD. I'm torn between the Crucial T500 2TB and the MSI Spatium M480 Pro 2TB to put in the M.2_1 or M.2_2, at least until the prices and performance of Gen 5 improve. It seems that some people around here have the MSI Spatium M480 running smoothly on the x670e carbon, but I'm unsure if the new "Pro" version performs equally well on this board

 

[robaato.san]

ok, thanks. I'm not going to take any chances with Samsung or WD. I'm torn between the Crucial T500 2TB and the MSI Spatium M480 Pro 2TB to put in the M.2_1 or M.2_2, at least until the prices and performance of Gen 5 improve. It seems that some people around here have the MSI Spatium M480 running smoothly on the x670e carbon, but I'm unsure if the new "Pro" version performs equally well on this board

I'm more interested in the Crucial T500, as it's easily available and I already know that the Crucial P5 Plus performs well and it's always recognised.

Regardless, please keep us posted

 

[xares153702d5]

I'm more interested in the Crucial T500, as it's easily available and I already know that the Crucial P5 Plus performs well and it's always recognised.

Regardless, please keep us posted

In my country, the M480 Pro 2TB is €50 cheaper than the Crucial T500 2TB, and they have similar performance, so I prefer the MSI, but it also depends on which one will work better on the x670e carbon.

 

[sherbrovideo15a102de]

ok, thanks. I'm not going to take any chances with Samsung or WD. I'm torn between the Crucial T500 2TB and the MSI Spatium M480 Pro 2TB to put in the M.2_1 or M.2_2, at least until the prices and performance of Gen 5 improve. It seems that some people around here have the MSI Spatium M480 running smoothly on the x670e carbon, but I'm unsure if the new "Pro" version performs equally well on this board

For me Gen 5 drives aren't that attractive and don't make any real sense because:
- no tangible significant improvement in 4K Random Read Speed (this is what actually makes SSD's feel faster for normal day to day operations)
- heat output and the effects on the SSD hardware in the long run and the rising temp in near components plus in the overall computer case
- size with the extra bulk from cooling choices
- for most users the differences in real sustained writing speeds with ~3000 MB/s or with ~6000 MB/s (that by the way is marketed at 7000 for gen 4 and 12000 for gen 5 in bursts of benchmarks) is irrelevant because you won't download at that speed, at best this is used for video editors or someone that is constantly moving around very large files and that is what 1% of PC users
- pricing

At this point my main source of SSD info is from NewMaxx that has been studying SSDs for 15 years, you can read plenty of info, news and review collections here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/

One of his very helpful info catalog is located here:

SSDs

docs.google.com

From that we have:
- gen 4 Crucial T500 with a Phison E25 Controller with Micron TLC 232 Layers Nand rated at 7400/7000 R/W
- gen 4 MSI Spatium M480 Pro with a Phison E18 Controller with Micron TLC 176 Layers Nand rated at 7400/7000 R/W
So the Crucial drive has newer controller and newer nand but I'm not exactly sure it deserves extra €50 just for that.
I will probably side with what is cheaper and always have a heatsink on that be it from the one that mainboard provides or if you need to pay extra to get the SSD with its own heatsink if you have none left from your mainboard.

Myself I'm using gen 4 Kingston KC3000 with a Phison E18 Controller with Micron TLC 176 Layers nand and I'm perfectly happy with its performances, cooled by the heatsink provided by the msi b650 tomahawk board.
Also read that the Kingston Fury Renegade has just a nudge better sofware improvement on it so if you see them same price go for the Fury instead of the KC3000 one.

 

[frieren]

Hi, did it fail again? I need to buy an M.2 for the MSI X670E Carbon, and I don't want to have any problems.

Failed. Problems are less frequent, but still persist now and then.

 

[xares153702d5]

For me Gen 5 drives aren't that attractive and don't make any real sense because:
- no tangible significant improvement in 4K Random Read Speed (this is what actually makes SSD's feel faster for normal day to day operations)
- heat output and the effects on the SSD hardware in the long run and the rising temp in near components plus in the overall computer case
- size with the extra bulk from cooling choices
- for most users the differences in real sustained writing speeds with ~3000 MB/s or with ~6000 MB/s (that by the way is marketed at 7000 for gen 4 and 12000 for gen 5 in bursts of benchmarks) is irrelevant because you won't download at that speed, at best this is used for video editors or someone that is constantly moving around very large files and that is what 1% of PC users
- pricing

At this point my main source of SSD info is from NewMaxx that has been studying SSDs for 15 years, you can read plenty of info, news and review collections here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/

One of his very helpful info catalog is located here:

SSDs

docs.google.com

From that we have:
- gen 4 Crucial T500 with a Phison E25 Controller with Micron TLC 232 Layers Nand rated at 7400/7000 R/W
- gen 4 MSI Spatium M480 Pro with a Phison E18 Controller with Micron TLC 176 Layers Nand rated at 7400/7000 R/W
So the Crucial drive has newer controller and newer nand but I'm not exactly sure it deserves extra €50 just for that.
I will probably side with what is cheaper and always have a heatsink on that be it from the one that mainboard provides or if you need to pay extra to get the SSD with its own heatsink if you have none left from your mainboard.

Myself I'm using gen 4 Kingston KC3000 with a Phison E18 Controller with Micron TLC 176 Layers nand and I'm perfectly happy with its performances, cooled by the heatsink provided by the msi b650 tomahawk board.
Also read that the Kingston Fury Renegade has just a nudge better sofware improvement on it so if you see them same price go for the Fury instead of the KC3000 one.

I was about to buy the M480 Pro, but since frieren mentioned that it's failing, I'll hold off for now. Although it's one of the few M.2 drives that haven't gone up in price yet in 2024.

Failed. Problems are less frequent, but still persist now and then.

I've seen that you have both regular M480 units and the new M480 Pro version. Do both of them fail, or just the PRO version?

Thank you both

 

[robaato.san]

Crucial often has some quite aggressive discounts, e.g. I've bought the Crucial P5 Plus 2TB (heatsink version) for £100 during Black Friday, and the Crucial T500 was actually a bit cheaper than the WD SN850X (maybe I should have bought that instead of WD). We just need to keep our eyes open for deals.

 

[sherbrovideo15a102de]

Failed. Problems are less frequent, but still persist now and then.

Heads up they just released today a non beta bios for your X670E CARBON WIFI in bios version: 7D70v1E maybe it is worth a try, hopefully it has some stealth fixes.

 

[frieren]

I applied the very latest BIOS (7D70v1E 2024-02-23) and I will leave it as is (won't make any changes) and see how it goes.

Motherboard: MPG X670E CARBON WIFI
Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
RAM: G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5 16GBx2 6000MT/s (F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5) AMD EXPO
SSD1: MSI Spatium M480 1TB
SSD2: MSI Spatium M480 PRO 2TB
SSD3: MSI Spatium M480 PRO 2TB
PSU: Seasonic Prime TX 1300W

Previously: (with previous BIOS 7D70v1E1 Beta 2024-01-05 ) While the old boot problem is gone (booting into BIOS) yet the following new boot problems still persist;
1) Boots to Windows(10) and everything is quite laggy (happens almost 80% of all cold boots) After restart all good.
2) Almost boots to Windows(10) and self-restarts (happens really rare)

Will see how it goes with new BIOS!

 

[frieren]

Update. 0 changes after BIOS update; same issue persist.

Now changing BIOS UEFI to CSM mode / Boot mode to Legacy+UEFI

Will see how this goes!

Update #2. So far 5 cold boots and around 10 restarts; so far so good! MSI boot logo / loading takes ~5sec more, but it works for now!

 

[WakeX]

Crucial T700 4TB (likely one of the earliest batches as it was bought on release) and no problems in either 5.0-slot so far.

Firmware updates were quick and painless as well and it always ran full speed even when the GPU's bus speed was having another episode.

 

[frieren]

Update. 3 days later still no problems at all! (20+ cold boots) Changing BIOS UEFI to CSM mode / Boot mode to Legacy+UEFI did the trick o_o

 

[robaato.san]

Just a quick update from me: I managed to get the Crucial T500 SSD, so I will be testing it on the MSI MPG B650 CARBON WIFI, and see how it behaves (this would replace the WD SN850X in the M2_1 slot). BIOS is latest non-beta (i.e. 7D74v1B from February 2024).

 

[frieren]

Interesting update!
I noticed a little thing which seemingly fixes the whole M2_1 so far; right after connecting my PC to electricity, and instead of almost instantly pushing a power button, I wait like 10 seconds and it boots nice and fast. No laggy Windows(10), all is fine!

Also, if I tend to push the power button almost instantly (right after connecting my PC to electricity ) I notice that all leds (GPU, mobo, ect) has a slight delay.

Conclusion. Somehow it takes around 20 seconds for MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi to "warm-up" fully before making it run. Otherwise M2_1 slot may have laggy Windows(10) problem.

 

[e.h.cussig156f02db]

Interesting update!
I noticed a little thing which seemingly fixes the whole M2_1 so far; right after connecting my PC to electricity, and instead of almost instantly pushing a power button, I wait like 10 seconds and it boots nice and fast. No laggy Windows(10), all is fine!

Also, if I tend to push the power button almost instantly (right after connecting my PC to electricity ) I notice that all leds (GPU, mobo, ect) has a slight delay.

Conclusion. Somehow it takes around 20 seconds for MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi to "warm-up" fully before making it run. Otherwise M2_1 slot may have laggy Windows(10) problem.

That is a wierd fix. My PC is connected to eletricity the whole time. So this cannot be the problem. I have not had any boot problems lately (exept the sleep mode problem, where i get blue screen when i wake up from Sleep mode) but i also deactiavted XMP, so I am not using the whole 6000Hz from my RAM and go with the default option.

 

[frieren]

That is a wierd fix. My PC is connected to eletricity the whole time. So this cannot be the problem. I have not had any boot problems lately (exept the sleep mode problem, where i get blue screen when i wake up from Sleep mode) but i also deactiavted XMP, so I am not using the whole 6000Hz from my RAM and go with the default option.

I must mention that in my case EXPO is enabled (6000MHz) and I'm using x3 Gen4 M2 drives (on PCIe Gen4 mode). Plus 2 SSD drives.

Side note: in general Gen4 M2 drives seem to be unstable on AM5 while Gen3 M2 works like a charm for everyone (as far as people have reported).

I haven't changed anything for 2 or 3 months and suddenly this weird little thing I noticed with electricity / timing still works as a temporary fix. Also, disabling EXPO did not fix Gen4 M2 drive boot bug aka "laggy Windows". I was about to switch my boot drive to Gen3 M2, but as I discovered this fix I will give it a bit more time.

 

[Deleted member 1001639]

Crucial T705 works great.

 

[wyliec2]

Have used several Samsungs (980 & 990) Gen 4 NVMe as OS devices without issue on ASRock and ASUS mobos. Currently using Crucial T700 Gen 5 as OS device on MSI MEG X670E Ace mobo and seems to be fine. A couple of years back, I had a Corsair MP600 when Gen 4 first came out - unfortunately it failed and was in use as OS drive with many installed applications.

Current MSI X670E ACE has 4 NVMe drives installed on the board (1 gen 5, 2 gen 4, 1 gen 3) and 2 gen 5 on the add in PCIe card.