WHY you should KEEP YOUR X470 Gaming Pro Carbon / B450 TOMAHAWK MAX (suggested DRAM is Crucial BALLISTIX 3600)

Do you plan on keeping your MSI X470/B450 Board for at least another year?

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newlin9

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(If you have an MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon, or B450 TomaHawk MAX, please post your benchmarks on this thread.)

OP Goals:

  • Realize what a great motherboard the X470 Carbon Pro / B450 Tomahawk already is
  • Realize you don’t need an X570 or B550 “upgrade”
  • Save money for existing owners of MSI X470 Gaming Carbon Pro / B450 motherboards
  • Use saved money to upgrade your X470 Gaming Carbon Pro DRAM, CPU, or GPU
  • WAIT FOR ZEN 3 and X590 new motherboard releases (2021)
Instead of dropping $200+ on a new X570 or B550 motherboard, just keep your X470 Gaming Carbon Pro and use that money for a CPU/GPU/DRAM upgrade for this already very capable motherboard. You can use those upgraded parts later next year when Zen3 motherboards are released.

The MSI X470 Gaming Carbon Pro is one of MSI’s best B450/X470 AM4 socket motherboards. MSI did a GREAT job with it. So good in fact, that if you already own one, there is really no need to upgrade to a X570 or B550 motherboard until after the Zen 3 launch. If MSI adds Zen 3 to the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon – then even longer than that.

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Motherboard Name: MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon (MS-7B78) – 10 Phase VRM

MSI X470 Gaming Carbon Pro Website support links:

Overview: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PRO-CARBON/Overview

SPECS: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PRO-CARBON/Specification

SUPPORTED CPU/DRAM (up to R9 3950X / DDR 4 4300 MHz): https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO-CARBON#support-cpu

MSI released the X470 Gaming Pro Carbon two years ago in April, 2018.

What you need to know about X470 GAMING PRO CARBON:
 
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newlin9

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MSI Overview

BUILDZOID OVERVIEW

For MOST users, there are ZERO REASONS to retire their X470 Gaming Pro Carbon for ANY X570 or B550 motherboard. How much difference in real world performance are the new X570 and B550 motherboards over the X470 Gaming Pro Carbon?

The B550 and X570 motherboards are still overpriced, and in some cases, are difficult to acquire.
I watched the X570 motherboard market for the past year and decided to wait to see what developed on the B550 releases. The X570 offered only larger VRMs and PCIe 4.0 M.2. One of the X570 features that I did not care for was the embedded southbridge heatsink fan. I prefer a MB that doesn’t require a chipset cooling fan.

After comparing the X570 and B550 features, final “improvements,” and new technologies that came with them (PCIe 4.0 VGA, PCIe 4.0 M.2, 2.5G LAN, larger VRMs, more VCore phases), I decided to hang onto the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon and wait to see what support MSI will give it for Zen 3 due out this coming Fall (2020). As of August, 2020, the X470 Carbon Pro will easily run ANY AM4 AMD CPU on the market – up to and including the Ryzen 9 3950X. Plus, it has been upgraded to the latest AGESA 1.0.0.6 BIOS. 100% rock stable.

In keeping with their excellent product support, MSI and AMD continue to support it via BIOS and driver updates. Hopefully, that same level of support will continue on to Zen 3.

In short, the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon can ALREADY perform 95% of ANY X570 or B550. Updating the BIOS (for Zen 2 users only) is the most beneficial upgrade, followed by pairing upgraded DRAM and GPU.

And with the latest (in a LONG series) AGESA BIOS 1.0.0.6 the X470 Gaming Pro Carbon CPU/DDR4 performance is EXACTLY ON PAR with any X570 or B550 motherboard. The ‘bugs’ have finally been fixed!

The only things I have upgraded the MSI X470 with were an 3700X CPU, a 2080Super video card, and 32Gb of Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600 Dram.
Those THREE upgrades have easily “future-proofed” the X470 Carbon Pro for another TWO YEARS.

I do not need PCIe 4.0 M.2 speed, and PCIe 3.0 will not be saturated for years to come.

Looking back at the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon motherboard, it was very feature rich and (when released) for the cost/performance ratio, was one of the best AM4 motherboards on the market.

The X470 Carbon Pro is now out of production, and is considered a “Legacy” motherboard.
 
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newlin9

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OPs MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon Hardware Config

My MSI MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon Build (August 2020)
BIOS Version: 2.E0 (AGESA Combo-AM4 1.0.0.6) / Release Date: 06/10/2020
All CPU/DRAM/Power settings done in BIOS - Dragon Center was NOT used
  • MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
  • AMD Ryzen 3700X CPU
  • Crucial Ballistix BL1G36C16U4RL Micron ‘E’ Die (2 x 16GB) DR4 3600 (16-19-16-36 CR1) Dual Channel (using Typhoon/Dram Calculator manual for BIOS timings – NO XMP)
  • ASUS RTX 2080S GPU
  • CORSAIR H115i Platinum AIO
  • Corsair RMx Series™ RM850x Gold PSU
  • Rosewill RISE Glow ATX Full Tower Case
  • Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build 10.0.19041.388 (Win10 20H1 [2004] Insider Preview)
 

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Here is the 'official' MSI policy on upgrading from X470/B450 to X570/B550


Who should upgrade to (or keep) a B450/X470 Motherboard?

AMD has officially allowed manufacturers to support Zen 3 processors on B450 motherboards with a BIOS update. If your only reason for an upgrade is future processor compatibility, it's better to stick with a B450 motherboard for now.

We can't speak to whether all B450 and X470 motherboards in the market will get an update to support AMD's new processors. MSI will be updating as many B450 and X470 motherboards as possible so users can enjoy the latest generation of Ryzen processors without changing their motherboard. You can expect more details about this in an announcement later this year!
 

newlin9

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Here is a recent comparison of X470 vs X570 motherboard feature comparison.

Consensus is to KEEP your X470 in most cases if you already have one.

AMD X470 vs B550: The truth?

Are B550 motherboards really worth to upgrade at premium price?
 
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