Windows 11 Question (TPM? -> External TPM Module = Not Mandatory)

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does anyone can explain me how to active tpm2 and secure boot on
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I'm having issues enabling tpm2.0 on the MSI edge z690 ddr4 wifi motherboard....whenever I activate it, the system doesn't allow me to activate xmp (with bios version 1.1 and the new beta 1.2). Also i'm unable to switch off TPM2.0 in bios, whenever I do, the bios freezes ramdomly when I attempt to disable save and exit. Is this a general bios issue that needs ironing out? I've managed to disable by way or reflashing and deactivaing TPM2.0 when the system reboots post flash? Once i've disabled TPM successully, I can then activate XMP etc. and it all works accordingly, Windows boots fine and the system is stable albeit with the help of a slight underclock to CPU (12700k) to around 1.2v, idle voltage with v1.1 bios is ~1.3v a bit high for idle but i digress.

There's so many issues with the bios, luckily i've decades of experience working on systems, if it had have been anyone else they'd be stuck and lost....some help please, I feel i've become a beta tester for a product despite being early adopted, should have some degree of polish....Thanks in advance.
 
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chrispan150302d0 said:
I'm having issues enabling tpm2.0 on the MSI edge z690 ddr4 wifi motherboard....whenever I activate it, the system doesn't allow me to activate xmp (with bios version 1.1 and the new beta 1.2). Also i'm unable to switch off TPM2.0 in bios, whenever I do, the bios freezes ramdomly when I attempt to disable save and exit. Is this a general bios issue that needs ironing out? I've managed to disable by way or reflashing and deactivaing TPM2.0 when the system reboots post flash? Once i've disabled TPM successully, I can then activate XMP etc. and it all works accordingly, Windows boots fine and the system is stable albeit with the help of a slight underclock to CPU (12700k) to around 1.2v, idle voltage with v1.1 bios is ~1.3v a bit high for idle but i digress.

There's so many issues with the bios, luckily i've decades of experience working on systems, if it had have been anyone else they'd be stuck and lost....some help please, I feel i've become a beta tester for a product despite being early adopted, should have some degree of polish....Thanks in advance.
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Yeah well, more proof that the Z690 BIOS is quite immature and needs at least another two updates or so to be fully usable. I know some people here belong to the fraction of "never change a running system" when it comes to the BIOS updates, but first you have to have a system that is running smoothly in all regards...

This sort of "bananaware" has sadly become the norm. On Intel, it was a bit less pronounced in previous generations, because they hardly changed much about the CPU and chipset generations, so they could partly build on what they had before. But with Z590 and Rocket lake, the first real CPU architectural change since Skylake in 2015, it was already quite problematic at the beginning with the first BIOS. People on AMD might be used to that, there were huge BIOS problems with the first Ryzen generations at the beginning, but for Intel, we hadn't really seen that so much in the six years prior.

Now with Z690, it seems to be even a bit worse in some regards, i hear lots of stories even from other manufacturers about RAM problems with the DDR4 boards in particular. I think it's all mostly because of the immature BIOS. Maybe they worked on the DDR5 stuff too much and neglected the DDR4 boards a little. You can only wait for a BIOS update.
 
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Yeah well, more proof that the Z690 BIOS is quite immature and needs at least another two updates or so to be fully usable. I know some people here belong to the fraction of "never change a running system" when it comes to the BIOS updates, but first you have to have a system that is running smoothly in all regards...

This sort of "bananaware" has sadly become the norm. On Intel, it was a bit less pronounced in previous generations, because they hardly changed much about the CPU and chipset generations, so they could partly build on what they had before. But with Z590 and Rocket lake, the first real CPU architectural change since Skylake in 2015, it was already quite problematic at the beginning with the first BIOS. People on AMD might be used to that, there were huge BIOS problems with the first Ryzen generations at the beginning, but for Intel, we hadn't really seen that so much in the six years prior.

Now with Z690, it seems to be even a bit worse in some regards, i hear lots of stories even from other manufacturers about RAM problems with the DDR4 boards in particular. I think it's all mostly because of the immature BIOS. Maybe they worked on the DDR5 stuff too much and neglected the DDR4 boards a little. You can only wait for a BIOS update.
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Agree with you on the immature part, it's evident AND widespread. There wouldn't be a customer out there that isn't experiencing some issue with plug and play ram i.e XMP, not everbody tweaks....i'm all for taking time to build out bios to ensure all permutations are catered for, however instead of releasing a half baked product, delay the release and get the % of completeness up, as it stands it's quite low and so many people are disappointed with the experience so far. The fact that other manufacturers are too, experiencing similar issues, screams slow down and get it right....On that note, I'll attempt with my local area MSI technical team and see what they come up with.

So getting back to it, it sounds as though there's no real idea on what the deal is with my situation and best to sit tight? So therefore, if you want to play games like Valorant for example, which require TPM and secure boot and you're experiencing similar problems enabling TPM in bios, you're screwed....for the time being....the journey continues....
 
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Just an idea, but I wonder if buying an actual tpm module and using that, would make a difference. Would be an interesting experiment if you have the money for it.
 
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Just an idea, but I wonder if buying an actual tpm module and using that, would make a difference. Would be an interesting experiment if you have the money for it.
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If you can find one before all the scalpers grab them use to be about $20 delivered now

And two of these companies I do by from normally they good on price.
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Nice and cheap down under, I got one last month for £50 and that was the sale price lol. Pricing is very different place to place.
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Same companies before win 11 was announced and needed TPM to work they was under $20 delivered other places are like $40 + $30 delivery now
 
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laurence1211 said:
Just an idea, but I wonder if buying an actual tpm module and using that, would make a difference. Would be an interesting experiment if you have the money for it.
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No I haven't thought of investing further, it's something that should be working day 1 otherwise it's false advertising plain and simple. What should a non tech person be doing if they aren't very knowledgeable? If you can't get it working and it's on the box, it's noted everywhere and the customer can't get it to work, well, the solution isn't fit for purpose....but I can see why people consider workarounds to get things to work, it's also what is feeding all the problems in the industry. They need to be held accountible. I'm after solutions not workarounds.
 
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No I haven't thought of investing further, it's something that should be working day 1 otherwise it's false advertising plain and simple. What should a non tech person be doing if they aren't very knowledgeable? If you can't get it working and it's on the box, it's noted everywhere and the customer can't get it to work, well, the solution isn't fit for purpose....but I can see why people consider workarounds to get things to work, it's also what is feeding all the problems in the industry. They need to be held accountible. I'm after solutions not workarounds.
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It may actually be a solution, personally I think the tpm chips are better than the software tpm options. As for accountability, you could press them on it and return the hardware. Only money talks at the end of the day.
 
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laurence1211 said:
It may actually be a solution, personally I think the tpm chips are better than the software tpm options. As for accountability, you could press them on it and return the hardware. Only money talks at the end of the day.
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Thanks for your help, if hardware TPM does the trick I'll take a look...What are some of the recommended tpm chips available at the above retailers? They would need to be the MSI options i'm assuming?

The below are the two i managed to find would the first option be best to go with since it appears to be newer? Any experience with it to share? Are they compatible and how are they enabled in bios?

1. https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/accessories/91579-tpm-2.0-(ms-4462)
2. https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/accessories/75213-tpm-2.0-(ms-4136)
 
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chrispan150302d0 said:
Thanks for your help, if hardware TPM does the trick I'll take a look...What are some of the recommended tpm chips available at the above retailers? They would need to be the MSI options i'm assuming?

The below are the two i managed to find would the first option be best to go with since it appears to be newer? Any experience with it to share? Are they compatible and how are they enabled in bios?

1. https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/accessories/91579-tpm-2.0-(ms-4462)
2. https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/accessories/75213-tpm-2.0-(ms-4136)
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You have to buy the msi version and it has to be ms4462. If you look at the motherboard manual it shows you the spi interface has 12 pins. Ms4462 is the 12 pin version. As for experience to share, after you put in the tpm, you have to enable tpm options first, then reboot for it to be seen. Also I personally don't use xmp, I manually set the rated speed and auto the rest. I find that works better with the click 5 bios.
 
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laurence1211 said:
You have to buy the msi version and it has to be ms4462. If you look at the motherboard manual it shows you the spi interface has 12 pins. Ms4462 is the 12 pin version. As for experience to share, after you put in the tpm, you have to enable tpm options first, then reboot for it to be seen. Also I personally don't use xmp, I manually set the rated speed and auto the rest. I find that works better with the click 5 bios.
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I picked up the ms4462 and all seems to be working ok....the only thing i've noticed related to bios is when I click on the top right cross to exit the system freezes, yet if I press F10 or escape either save or exit without saving that way, all is fine....seems another bug that needs addressing, but besides that, TPM is now operational and also with XMP enabled....will keep an eye on it and see how things go over coming weeks...thanks for the suggestions and help
 
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I picked up the ms4462 and all seems to be working ok....the only thing i've noticed related to bios is when I click on the top right cross to exit the system freezes, yet if I press F10 or escape either save or exit without saving that way, all is fine....seems another bug that needs addressing, but besides that, TPM is now operational and also with XMP enabled....will keep an eye on it and see how things go over coming weeks...thanks for the suggestions and help
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Hopefully the bugs will be straightened out before long. Glad the tpm is working though.
 
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When Ii set to UEFI on my Tomahawk II board, my PC will not boot and returns to bios setup.
Does this mean I can only use UEFI hard drives for Windows 11?
 
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