Winproducer file format troubles and TV Capture recognition problems

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ayrsayle

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Running the Geforce4 ti4400, Win98SE, on a 512mb RAM/80 gig HD/1.9 Ghz Athlon system.

Winproducer 2 will only save crappy AVIs that are badly interlaced, irregardless of codec used (DivX 5.2, Huffy lossless, Indeo, Cinepac, even raw uncompressed video) if they are above 320x240 in size. The DV 1 and 2 formats don't even give me a working file whatsover, I get stuck frames that look like a slide show, although the sound works. Oddly enough, if you use one to author an mpg, it plays out smoothly while converting to mpg, but the finished output is a) horribly posterized and b) gives me the exact same slide show effect!

The MPG side, on the other hand, records fine. Even at DVD resolution, they come out smooth, minimal artifacts, and no frame loss. However, THEY CAN'T BE USED BY WINPRODUCER OR PREMIERE! They can be played back in Windows media player, but any type of mpeg or general video editing program reports that the file isn't valid!

I'm at the end of my rope. Intervideo doesn't support OEM versions of its software, and this site doesn't have anything beyond a notice that the missing Wincoder program is actually integrated into WinProducer 2.0. Since the AVI recording is crap and the MPG recording can't be used, my tv-in is essentially worthless because I can't produce editable video files.

Now, on to my other problem. No other program, Premiere, VirtualDub, VirtualVCR, etc will recognize the video capture. Windows has it listed in Multimedia as Microsoft WDM Image Capture and "Use this video capture device" is enabled. Only Winproducer will do so.

Please help, and if anyone wants to contact me directly, I'm at ayrsayle@earthlink.net. Thanks.
 
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Hi,

I can tell for wincoder/producer, this very nice program kills my system each time i tried to launch it. I'll patch it and retry eventually, but i have few incentives...

About other programs, have you tried virtualdub? My card is slightly different, but my TV-in worked very well. Could not try much on it (only plugged a digi cam to it), but this worked well enough for me.

website

hope it helps.

Frenchy

PS: virtualdub is a nice prog and completely free.
 
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Ayrsale,

If you capture MPEG to VCD, Premiere should recognize, since VCD is MPEG1. Or you can try to get the MPEG2 package for Premiere.

But if you capture MPEG to edit and render compressed format, your results will look horrible. (You know, all this standards drops some information).

The better way is capturing AVI and exporting MPEG, DIVX, or what you want.

Try capturing AVI in 352x480 (a lot of scratching disk!). In Premiere, put the clip in timeline, right click it and use the option "always deinterlace", in some submenu I don't remember right now.

Good luck.
 
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Originally posted by frenchy2k1
Hi,

I can tell for wincoder/producer, this very nice program kills my system each time i tried to launch it. I'll patch it and retry eventually, but i have few incentives...
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That's a problem too, it crashes more than the U.S. stock prices but I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it. :^)

About other programs, have you tried virtualdub? My card is slightly different, but my TV-in worked very well. Could not try much on it (only plugged a digi cam to it), but this worked well enough for me.
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I have it, it doesn't recognize my capture card or read any mpegs Winproducer creates.
 
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Originally posted by enio
Ayrsale,

If you capture MPEG to VCD, Premiere should recognize, since VCD is MPEG1. Or you can try to get the MPEG2 package for Premiere.

But if you capture MPEG to edit and render compressed format, your results will look horrible. (You know, all this standards drops some information).
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I know lossy compression degrades each time you recompress, but with a high enough bitrate a 1st generation copy won't have a noticeable amount. MPEG 1 isn't capable of the necessary quality, but MPEG 2 seems to be.

I didn't realize you needed an addon for Mpeg2 for Premiere... silly me, I thought a leading video editing program would support a standard for one of the major file formats in use in the industry!

The better way is capturing AVI and exporting MPEG, DIVX, or what you want.

Try capturing AVI in 352x480 (a lot of scratching disk!). In Premiere, put the clip in timeline, right click it and use the option "always deinterlace", in some submenu I don't remember right now.
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That's just it... *all* AVI formats come out looking like crap, irregardless of codec(even uncompressed) if it's over 320x240 in size.

Plus there's the little problem of Premiere (and every other program besides Winproducer) refusing to acknowledge the existence of the video card! And since Winproducer makes crappy AVIs... I'm shafted on both accounts.

I'm looking to output stuff in DVD resolution (640x480/720x480 29.97 fps), and for that I have to input at a similar rez. 352x480 would be too small.

 
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yeah i found that winproducer crashed my system whenever i tried to run it
Damn windows 98

But im using premiere and havnt had a problem
 
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Some good news. I went to Gainward website tonight (my GF4 is a gainward) and i just saw that they have the WDM drivers 1.12, mines were only 1.11. I updated the files and now Winproducer launched for the first time. It recognized my input and my webcam. Quality (at least for the webcam) is crap.

So, my advice, try to at least update your wdm drivers:
(link to the driver on gainward.de)

For me, it helped a lot. I'm sure this driver is *somewhere* on nvidia's site, but could not find it...

Oups, seems i'm really late. MSI got version 1.16 on their site here:
(driver 1.16 at MSI)

so try either. I've still got to try the 1.16, but 1.12 seems a winner with win producer...

Frenchy

PS: i had almost forgotten that i *had* wincoder, as i had never seen it work...
 
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Originally posted by ayrsayle

That's just it... *all* AVI formats come out looking like crap, irregardless of codec(even uncompressed) if it's over 320x240 in size.

Plus there's the little problem of Premiere (and every other program besides Winproducer) refusing to acknowledge the existence of the video card! And since Winproducer makes crappy AVIs... I'm shafted on both accounts.

I'm looking to output stuff in DVD resolution (640x480/720x480 29.97 fps), and for that I have to input at a similar rez. 352x480 would be too small.
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Ayrsale,

It's true, the AVIs captured in Winproducer looks like crap, kinda dithered pixels in sky, or looking posterized. When > 320x240, the interlace effect is horrible.
But Premiere reduces these things when redering. The best results I get was capturing AVI 320x480 and generating DIVX 320x240.

Same problem, Premiere doesn't recognizes device here.

To 720x480 output, you must have a monster system. In mine, capturing AVI 240x480 looses some frames, MPEG looses a lot (unusable). I'm able to capture MPEG 320x240 at maximum (bad quality), or AVI 240x480 accepting some "jumps" sometimes...
 
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