X570 Unify with Ryzen 5 3600(for now) Ideal Memory

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Patriot Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3733MHz is what I have now. It was 90$ but the timings are slow, and I'm uncomfortable with the fact that they run at 63c when playing a 7-year-old game, I've never had any memory temperatures that high. Both XMP profiles appear to be identical, memtest86 was the same with both profiles. The timings are really slow though. I have had a lot of luck with G.Skill Trident Z in the past, and I happened to be browsing through the AMD list of Ryzen compatible memory(https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-compatible-memory/ready-for-3rd-gen-amd-ryzen) And I saw F4-3800C14D-16GTZN. I am under the impression(could quite possibly be totally wrong) that 3733Mhz is ideal for Ryzen 3rd gen CPUs. That sounds like a blanket statement, but most of what I read said that 3600Mhz is the best as far as a price point to performance standpoint. This 3733 was so cheap, I didn't care. But the F4-3800C14D-16GTZN has much better timings, and it's only 190$ right now and I have no problem with that. It is a 3600Mhz Processor, will I be missing out on some 1 to 1 compatibility with doing 3600Mhz Ram on a 3600Mhz processor? Would I be better off getting F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB for 15$ less? My last consideration is, I am planning on jumping on a 4th gen Ryzen 9 4900x or equivalent, I have absolutely no concept of what ram ideals might be for a processor like that, but would it be a good idea to get the 3800 and maybe underclock it for now so I have a hair more speed when I do get the 4th gen Ryzen. Please feel free to correct me on any misconceptions I have, I do not want to give bad information, but I hope this gets me some answers and hopefully helps someone else! Thank you for your time and experience.

P.S. If anyone knows of any ram that would be better than any I mentioned please let me know, I would love to get something that is not RGB, a black or dark color would be ideal. If I get RGB just going to turn the lighting off. Not opposed to going 2x16GB, not sure if there is any reason to, I just would rather not spend 300$ on ram unless it's something spectacular.

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 UNIFY ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3733 CL17 Memory
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Rosewill 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Monitor: Asus VG279Q 27.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor
Keyboard: Corsair K63 Lapboard Combo (MX Red w/Blue LED) Wireless Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech G600 MMO Gaming Mouse Wired Laser Mouse
Speakers: Bose Cinemate 15 home theater speaker system
 

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Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with the concept of QVL, but I like to also ask people for their specific experience. I am well aware that this board supports 3800Mhz and even higher, that's why I asked the question in a multi-layered fashion as I did. Everything depends on CPU quality a lot.
 

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I would greatly appreciate any clarification or reference material about any facet of my question.
 

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Ok you seem to be confusing a few things here, some research into zen2 chip design and ryzen 3000 processors would be a good idea. You dont want to try and match your ram speed with your processors basic clock.
What you want to do is get the fastest ram with the lowest timings possible within your budget. Samsung B-die chips are still among the best and i use ram from g-skill with those chips. Not all ram sticks have b-die chips on them. What you are aiming for, is ram speed to match infinity fabric speed and the memory controller to be in sync . How fast that will be will depend on your set up. So it could be ram 1800mhz(3600mhz), infinity fabric 1800mhz with the memory controller in sync. But it may well be slower than that with a ryzen5. If you want b-die: b-die list
 

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I understand that B-die is generally the standard to go to and that not all ram sticks are B-die. You said "the fastest ram with the lowest timings possible within your budget." My budget is maxed out at 300, I would like to spend less. The Ryzen 5 3600 infinity fabric speed is at 1,800Mhz, you said "ram speed to match infinity fabric speed and the memory controller to be in sync." I'm not sure I understand, let's say I am buying new ram no matter what, I know I am looking for B-die, I have a Ryzen 5 3600 so the speed of the infinity fabric is set to 1,800Mhz, so I want the native XMP speed to be 3,600Mhz right? and obviously lower CAS latency numbers at this speed is what I am looking for I would think. Would I be in good shape with G.Skill F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB?? is there anything that would be obviously better? Can I only get those specs in 2x8GB? I would not mind getting 2x16GB. Is there anything obviously better for under 300? Thanks!
 

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Wow this looks pretty damn cool TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01. But I have no experience with the company.
 

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I understand that B-die is generally the standard to go to and that not all ram sticks are B-die. You said "the fastest ram with the lowest timings possible within your budget." My budget is maxed out at 300, I would like to spend less. The Ryzen 5 3600 infinity fabric speed is at 1,800Mhz, you said "ram speed to match infinity fabric speed and the memory controller to be in sync." I'm not sure I understand, let's say I am buying new ram no matter what, I know I am looking for B-die, I have a Ryzen 5 3600 so the speed of the infinity fabric is set to 1,800Mhz, so I want the native XMP speed to be 3,600Mhz right? and obviously lower CAS latency numbers at this speed is what I am looking for I would think. Would I be in good shape with G.Skill F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB?? is there anything that would be obviously better? Can I only get those specs in 2x8GB? I would not mind getting 2x16GB. Is there anything obviously better for under 300? Thanks!
300 in what currency? Either of the ram kits you list would work well, the g-skill is faster however. Infinity fabric speed of 1800Mhz is not guaranteed, it depends on your ryzen chip quality. If you can run at 1800Mhz then you would want ram that can match it at 3600Mhz. Cl 16 is good, lower the better but that comes at a cost price wise. 3733Mhz ram isnt the best anymore and yes you can change the fabric speed in the bios. I run my ram at 3800Mhz and my infinity fabric is set to 1900Mhz to match. But my chip is alot better so it can handle that speed. Note ram speeds are listed in a way that can be confusing. 3600Mhz ram is actually running at 1800Mhz but it is DDR or double data rate, which is why it is listed as 3600mhz because thats the effective speed as far as end users are concerned. This is why you would want the infinity fabric speed to be 1800mhz to match the ram.
 

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Right on, thanks for getting back to me, I am going to return the "Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3733MHz Kit w/Gunmetal Grey heatshield" and getting the F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB Now I am just confused by one more thing at the moment lol, the F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB is a 3600Mhz 14-15-15-35, and the TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01 is also 3600Mhz at 14-25-25-35. they are both B-die according to the list. I know looks should be the last thing on the list, I prefer performance over aesthetics, the TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01 is $160 and the G-skill is $175(USD) I don't care about the 15$ but I do actually like the "Team T-Force XTREEM ARGB 16GB" better, Everything in my case is black or dark gunmetal grey, I am sure with the Team T-force I could just turn the RGB off. If it also definitely has B-die chips is it a worse choice than then G.Skill ultimately? The main hesitation I have is that I have zero experience with Team T-Force. but it lists the same exact specs as the G.Skill. According to newegg.com, everything is identical except the G.Skill became available on October 14, 2019, and the Team T-Force April 29, 2020, which makes it newer.

P.S. One other factor that is just now bothering me is that the G.Skill is the Neo version which is made for Ryzen, and the T-Force I believe is just XMP, I'm not sure if there is any real legit difference there. Thank you soo much for your help.
 

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Right on, thanks for getting back to me, I am going to return the "Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3733MHz Kit w/Gunmetal Grey heatshield" and getting the F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB Now I am just confused by one more thing at the moment lol, the F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB is a 3600Mhz 14-15-15-35, and the TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01 is also 3600Mhz at 14-25-25-35. they are both B-die according to the list. I know looks should be the last thing on the list, I prefer performance over aesthetics, the TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01 is $160 and the G-skill is $175(USD) I don't care about the 15$ but I do actually like the "Team T-Force XTREEM ARGB 16GB" better, Everything in my case is black or dark gunmetal grey, I am sure with the Team T-force I could just turn the RGB off. If it also definitely has B-die chips is it a worse choice than then G.Skill ultimately? The main hesitation I have is that I have zero experience with Team T-Force. but it lists the same exact specs as the G.Skill. According to newegg.com, everything is identical except the G.Skill became available on October 14, 2019, and the Team T-Force April 29, 2020, which makes it newer.

P.S. One other factor that is just now bothering me is that the G.Skill is the Neo version which is made for Ryzen, and the T-Force I believe is just XMP, I'm not sure if there is any real legit difference there. Thank you soo much for your help.
I had a bit of a deeper look and the F4-3600C14D-16GTZNB and TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01 are the same spec. So i have to correct myself and say the g-skill isnt faster but the same. Both have the same timings at 14-15-15-35. As for which to buy, that's personal preference. Both have lifetime warranties, pick the company you trust the most or the ram you want the most.
Ps. In theory there's a difference between DOCP(amd) or A-XMP(intel) spec but i haven't had any issues using xmp on an amd system. Your mileage may vary.
 

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I'm sorry it's been soo long, I've been tinkering... I don't understand how this is possible, but I actually am getting worse scores than before. I know Userbenchmark is not the end all be all by any means, but it's the easiest to use when you're installing and uninstalling stuff. The T-Force memory is by far the most beautiful elegant RAM I've ever seen, I'm leaving the clear plastic on, hopefully that won't affect my temps too much lol. But somehow the ram is causing my system performance to be worse! With the 3733 I had Gaming 98% Desktop 159% Workstation 126%. But now with the new ram, tried both XMP profiles, I get Gaming 87% Desktop 98% Workstation 81%. I am really disturbed by this, I don't understand how this is possible. A new BIOS was released after I got that first bad benchmark, it did not improve things at all. Please tell me how to fix this or help me understand. I haven't done a clean install since the new ram, but I don't see how that would make a difference... With CL14 vs CL17 timings, I just cannot believe the performance is worse. I tried the previous Adrenalin 2020 Edition 20.4.2 Recommended (WHQL) to see if that was it, that did not make a difference. I am going to flash the BIOS back to the previous one but I would be astounded if that fixes things. The only thing that I can think of is maybe the power management is more conservative or something. It may be more stable in some way that I am not seeing, but my fps in ESO is down from what it was, and that's what matters. I am sure I have all of the power settings in Windows 10 the same, tried both XMP 1 and 2 with same exact result.


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Not my favourite place Userbenchmark but if you look at it, only the nvme score thats gone down a lot. Not sure what that is, could be a bios issue. How are you checking fps in eso? Also upto you on the plastic, personally i wouldn't leave it on as it will make the ram warmer.
 

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3200 Mhz ram is the sweet spot . I have tried all the low latency over priced ram . All I noticed was how much lighter my wallet was . Unless Your shooting to top dog benchmarks and braggin' rights
3200 Mhz at 16-18-18-36 is fine . I even have some samsung B-die at 14-14-14-34 and comparing it to some hynix I got from corsair at 16-28-28-36 . in day to day use I can tell no difference
 

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I am by no means financially well off, but this is my only hobby. I obviously have OCD, but I just like things to be at the best of their potential. I am saving to get a Ryzen 4th gen processor, and I wanted to get the best ram I could within reason because it will be a long time after the CPU that I do any other kind of upgrade. Thank you soo much for the responses, and Laurence I am going to take the plastic off now that it is mounted where it's staying, I'm glad you reminded me. Please feel free to drop any advice or information. Thanks!
 
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