x58 pro memory instability problem (only 1 gb chip is stable) --(SOLVED)!!!

[al_assiri2000]

good day my friends.
i Tried my best to comply with the rules. please forgive me if i forgot something.

here is my screenshot:

THE problem :
everything is fine ,when i only use only one chip in (A0)
but when i use 2 or 3 chips ,the system becomes unstable ( lockups,freezes,random boots, in defferent places and times, some time even in windows startup,)
i used Clrcmos button between changes and no luck. ( it helps in restoring the settings so i can use my (1GB ram in stable condition)
i tested all the chips with mem test (individually) with no errors for a good number of passes
i tried to play with voltage and ram setting as recommended in some threads without luck.
I am really reaching a point of desperation here ,
please help me.
Q : can I use 4gb chip in A0 and finish my problem?, my system is 32 bit, so can i go around this problem and use 4 gb in one slot ,and will that end my nightmares??
and thank you in advance.
p.s.: my system is newly build
i tried different rams with no luck
the only old stuff i still have is my usb keyboard and mouse.
I am no technician and i have very minimum knowledge about it 

 

[Jack the Newbie]

The memory command rate is currently set to 1T.  Manually set it to 2T in BIOS Setup (Under "Advanced DRAM Configuration" in the Cell Menu).  Also, raise the memory voltage to 1.6V and disable Spread Spectrum.  Then retest.

 

[al_assiri2000]

thanks for the fast reply
here is what i did :
cell menu - advanced memory configuration memor timings (options : 1n, 2n, 3n)
i assumed this what you mean by 1t, 2t
so i set it to 2n.
cell menu - dram voltage : was auto- i set it to 1.6 v. ( there are many voltage options and names, i assumed (dram voltage )is what you meant
cell menu - spread spectrum i disabled it.

results:
1 gb ram = still stable as before.
2 chips 1gb ram in a0 and b0 = [size=10pt]not stable : didn't even make it to desktop screen , it hangs during windows logo (with some sluggishness)[/size]
3 chips 1gb ram im a0, b0, c0 = same as above.
i but it back to one ram chip for now with defult setting so i can reply to your post.
waiting for your insight.
thanks.

 

[kraion]

hey, read my solution to my problem, im pretty sure it can help you as well:

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=131614.0

 

[al_assiri2000]

hey kraion.
thanks for suggestion.
but sadly didnt work for me. BUT YOUR REPLY HAS INSPIRED ME  TO DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT (SOLVED ) THE PROBLEM.
I visited the websites of (OCZ, KRUCIAL,CROSSAIR,KINGSTON) and used their memory configurator to find the best memory for my system.
TO MY SURPRISE (ALL) of the configurators recommended a (1.5 volts) rams and gave me the list of compliant chips, not 1.7 or 1.8 or even 1.65 volts like the rams im using now

NEXT I WENT TO MSI TEST REPORT FOR RAM : SAME THING : ALMOST ALL THE RAMS TESTED WAS 1.5 VOLTS ,(THEY DIDN'T EXACTLY MENTIONED THE VOLTAGE) BUT WHEN YOU MATCH THE PN NUMBER WITH THE BRAND SITE YOU CAN GET THE VOLTAGE

i think i have found the problem :all the rams i tried was 1.7 v.

SO,,
went to the market and bought kingston ddr3 1333, 9-9-9-24 (3 GIGABYTE KIT),and most importantly (THE VOLT IS 1.5 V)))))

MY SYSTEM IS ROCK SOLID FOR 2 DAYS NOW 

I HAVE NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN BIOS (OPTIMUM)
NOT EVEN THE SPREAD SPECTRUM OR 1T, 2T THINGS......NOTHING
BUT I DID MAKE SURE THAT RAM CHIPS ARE PROPERLY SEATED, (YOU MUST HEAR THE CLICK) .
some people may say: (well you could have tweaked your bios to work with your old 1.7 volts.
my answer is : yes ,i could have, but i want to learn how to walk before running.
i need to make sure i have a stable system that works out of the box before i start giving it steroids!!!

THANKS FOR jack and kraion for their help , their words sure helped to find the right solution
NOW ,,,, my last questions of the week:
my memory settings are set to 1t (default)
do i need to tweak it ensure a long memory life? do i HAVE to change anything in bios although my system is fairly stable

2- i can now play crysis warhead for hours, but i noticed that there are some artifacts (fun mixed pixelated colors and shadows or un-textured surfaces in some ares of the game :is this a game problem or a system problem

thanks again
and i hope my problem solution will help others

ADMINS= you can go ahead and label the post as SOLVED....

 

[Jack the Newbie]

Can you post a link to the OCZ Product Site of your original modules for comparison?

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TO MY SURPRISE (ALL) of the configurators recommended a (1.5 volts) rams and gave me the list of compliant chips, not 1.7 or 1.8 or even 1.65 volts like the rams im using now

NEXT I WENT TO MSI TEST REPORT FOR RAM : SAME THING : ALMOST ALL THE RAMS TESTED WAS 1.5 VOLTS

The crucial point here is (escpecially in terms of compatibility) that the Industry Standard Voltage for DDR3 memory chip/modules in general is 1.5V +/- 0.075V.  Memory chip makers produce DDR3 memory chips that match these specifications (timings and frequency settings will be specified to meet the voltage specifications).  If you browse through the product  pages of the major memory chip makers (Micron, Elpida, ProMOS, Samsung etc.) you will not find a single DDR3 memory chip type that exceeds the DDR3 Industry Standard Voltage. 

All those speed and timing ratings that memory module manufacturers put into their product specifications are have to be read as overclocked ratings (non standard) as soon as the memory voltage that is recommended for the advertised frequency/timings exceeds the Industry Standard.  Because if you see a set modules rated for 1.7V operation, this usually means that the memory chips used on the modules in question are actually specified for either lower Frequency or more relaxed timings (or both). 

Such deviations from the specifications of the memory chip used are the main cause for compatibility issues.

 

[al_assiri2000]

Can you post a link to the OCZ Product Site of your original modules for comparison?

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The crucial point here is (escpecially in terms of compatibility) that the Industry Standard Voltage for DDR3 memory chip/modules in general is 1.5V +/- 0.075V.  Memory chip makers produce DDR3 memory chips that match these specifications (timings and frequency settings will be specified to meet the voltage specifications).  If you browse through the product  pages of the major memory chip makers (Micron, Elpida, ProMOS, Samsung etc.) you will not find a single DDR3 memory chip type that exceeds the DDR3 Industry Standard Voltage. 

All those speed and timing ratings that memory module manufacturers put into their product specifications are have to be read as overclocked ratings (non standard) as soon as the memory voltage that is recommended for the advertised frequency/timings exceeds the Industry Standard.  Because if you see a set modules rated for 1.7V operation, this usually means that the memory chips used on the modules in question are actually specified for either lower Frequency or more relaxed timings (or both). 






Such deviations from the specifications of the memory chip used are the main cause for compatibility issues.

I could not agree more mr. jack,,
and here are links :

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr3_pc3_10666_gold_edition


and my new fully functional ram :

http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=&LinkBack=&ktcpartno=KVR1333D3N9K3/3G


OH! one more thing ,,
I just sent kingston's support center an email about wither or not i need to change anything in bios
and they replyed (very fast i must say) ,that there is no need to change anything in bios ,even if it shows 1T instead of 2t



kind regards....

 

[JEskandari]

I think the problem here is that you tried to use a normal DDR3 with I7 your ram is overclocked and for stable use need 1.7v now core i7 maximum safe is 1.65 and must board use 1.5 as default.
it was like overclocking your cpu without adding to voltage the system was unstable.

the module when they were in first slot could manage but when put in 2nd and 3rd slot because of the increase in distance showed the effect of running under-volt.
your new ram is a normal DDR3 which was not overclocked and rated for 1.5v so it had no problem with running with your system .
if when you bought your OCZ ram have bought a triple channel version of it you didn't had any problem.

 

[al_assiri2000]

I think the problem here is that you tried to use a normal DDR3 with I7 your ram is overclocked and for stable use need 1.7v now core i7 maximum safe is 1.65 and must board use 1.5 as default.
it was like overclocking your cpu without adding to voltage the system was unstable.

the module when they were in first slot could manage but when put in 2nd and 3rd slot because of the increase in distance showed the effect of running under-volt.
your new ram is a normal DDR3 which was not overclocked and rated for 1.5v so it had no problem with running with your system .
if when you bought your OCZ ram have bought a triple channel version of it you didn't had any problem.

I learned that lesson the hard way i am afraid.