x58 pro no post (sort of)

[tellectual]

every time i turn off my machine, it requires a cleared cmos, and anywhere from 20-40 reboots before it will post. no joke.

it does this only when i power off completely. if i use the restart button, or restart function in windows, it never does this.

i have read a few threads about x58 boards not posting after update to 7.1 bios, (which i did) and im thinking they just gave up after a few reboots.

my machine is completely stable after it has booted, prime95 runs overnight with no problems. it should also be noted that this problem occurs regardless of my overclocking settings. happens with default settings, and my current oc (920 @ 3.66), ive also played with most of the settings in bios, nothing seems to have any effect.

not only is this very annoying (essentially takes me 20 minutes to boot my machine) but i am also worried about the damage that could be caused by me turning it on and off so many times so quickly.

a few ideas i have:

reverting to 7.0 bios is of course an idea, are there any really important improvements that came with 7.1? or any reason why i should not try reverting to 7.0?

im currently using a 4pin connector in the 8pin cpu power plug on the mobo, a small plug was included with the mobo to tell me which side of the 8 pins to plug into the 4 pins, so im assuming they are telling me that its ok to only have a 4pin connector for the cpu power, but could this be part of the problem?

psu is high quality model, and has dual 12v rails, but is only 450 watts. i would like a beefier one, but cannot afford it atm. is 450 watts problematic though?


any other ideas or suggestions?

x58 pro
core i7 920 @ 3.66
watercooled, blocks on cpu and ioh
6gb ddr3 1600mhz 7-7-7-19-1t
gigabyte 8800gt
win server 2008

1.35vcore
1.88 pll
1.35 uncore
1.63 dram
1.30 NB

 

[HU16E]

Hi tellectual, & welcome to the forum. On the PSU, it's the 'Amps' rather than watts that make the difference. Could you post what the amps are on the two rails of your PSU? An 8-pin power for the CPU & single +12V rail PSU would be a better choice. After the bios update, did you clear CMOS with the power cord removed, & was the system in a stock default configuration when you flashed? Which flash method did you use? After the machine is shut off, for a restart, are you clearing CMOS with the power cord removed every time?

The biggest advantage to version 7.1, is the addition of the QPI 'realtime' V. reading in the bios. Reverting back to 7.0, if you decide to, shouldn't be a problem.

 

[NovJoe]

Can you try borrowing a bigger PSU like 600watts?

 

[tellectual]

i have cleared the cmos a few times with the psu power on, and a few times with psu powered down completely. i guess ill stop clearing it while the board still has power. what is the effect of doing that?



psu amperage:
+3.3V@32A, +5V@30A, +12V1@15A, +12V2@17A, -12V@0.3A, +5VSB@2A

also, how exactly is this board supposed to boot up? when i turn it on from being powered off completely (psu cord unplugged) it does that double start up thing, turns on for 10 seconds, no post, then shuts off, then turns back on automatically, (still no post though) from other reading, i understand this process to be normal.

however, just turning it on and off without turning the psu off, it does not do this double boot thing. should it be doing that every time i try to turn it on?


i only know of one person i could borrow a psu from, and she has a generic 400w model

 

[Jack the Newbie]

happens with default settings

6gb ddr3 1600mhz 7-7-7-19-1t

What default memory settings do you use?

Have you tried to reduce the memory clock speed to DDR3-1066 /7-7-7-20-2T @1.6V // Spread Spectrum disabled and/or using one memory module only?

Can you post a screenshot of the CPU-Z SPD View and post a link to the product page of your memory sticks?

 

[tellectual]

i used the msi live update flasher to go to 7.1, settings were not reset to factory default when i flashed, but i had no major overclock or aggressive settings at the time of the flash

default memory settings are 8-8-8-21-2t  1.6v those timings are supposedly what you use to run at 1600mhz, which is what the memory is rated for. so i run tighter timings for a lower speed ~1460mhz

i have tried running at the default timings listed above, makes no difference

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231247

there seems to be no attachment function on this forum

spread spectrum has always been set at disabled

thanks for the suggestions so far

 

[Jack the Newbie]

there seems to be no attachment function on this forum

You can host the pictures elsewhere (this is a good site: photobucket.com) and post the links to the images here.

 

[tellectual]

i think i can just type it out faster:

ddr3, 2048mb module, pc3-10700H (667 mhz), G.Skill
part number  f3-12800cl8-2gbpi
SPD Ext.  XMP

jedec 3:
593mhz
8-9-9-22-30-xx-1.5v
jedec 4:
667mhz
9-10-10-25-34-xx-1.5v
jedec 5:
741mhz
10-11-11-27-37-xx-1.5v
XMP-1600
8-8-8-21-30-2T-1.600v

 

[Jack the Newbie]

The SPD Profiles of your modules are rather messy.  None of the profiles (even the ones that are labeled as JEDEC are actually JEDEC compliant profiles (Standards for 593 MHz and 741 MHz do not even exist and the 667/DDR3-1333 Profile looks rather jumpy as well (I doubt any of these profiles actually match the specifications of the memory chips used on the modules).  XMP Profiles are overclocking profiles. 

Please test your memory @DDR3-1066 // 7-7-7-20 // @1.6V and check if the problem persists (make sure the system is not overclocked).

 

[tellectual]

i didnt like the looks of those numbers either when i first checked, but as i said, system is rock solid through overnight stress testing at my current speed/timings, so i didnt complain

i will try what you suggested, do you think my memory is defective in some way?

 

[Jack the Newbie]

system is rock solid through overnight stress testing at my current speed/timings, so i didnt complain

Yeah, it often happens, that the system runs fine during stress tests, but has problems to boot-up properly when there are memory related problems (initialization problems).

do you think my memory is defective in some way?

Not necessarely defective.  The question is what the native speed/timing ratings of the memory chips look like.  Also, DDR3-1066 is actually the max. memory speed that your CPU's memory controller natively supports (according to Intel Specifications).  So it is good to start testing here (does not cost anything and is not risky either).  If the system starts fine @lower memory clock speeds, we will know more.

 

[HU16E]

To respond to your Reply #3, clearing CMOS in a 'power on' state, can possibly cause damage to your board. Jack is guiding you in a good direction, as those CPU-Z SPD numbers 'are' truly whacked.

X58 Pro manual Page 2-21, Hardware Setup - Buttons - Clear CMOS Button - Ensure power is off 'before' clearing CMOS data. I don't know the exact board components or systems that may be affected.