X670E Ace Bios Problems

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Hardware:
Processor: 7950X
Motherboard: MSI X670E Ace
GPU: EVGA 3080 TI FTW3
MEMORY: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series AMD EXPO 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000)
PSU: EVGA 1000W P6
Cooler: 360 Phanteks AIO MPH

After updating my BIOS today on my PC. When booting up I was getting BIOS Code A6 and the RAM light was staying Amber. This didn't occur on the previous BIOS 7D69v13. I attempted to clear CMOS but same issue. I ended up downgrading my BIOS back to 7D69v13. I opened a ticket with MSI, but just a heads up in case anyone else runs into this. Before 7D69v142 I had zero issues with RAM and bootup problems.


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I figure I will jump on the train that this latest BIOS version is not good. Boot times took over 90 seconds so when I went to make the BIOS changes I used on the previous BIOS to get faster boot times, the system would keep crashing right as windows was loaded (either just before getting to desktop or within a second getting to the desktop). Memory errors that had to do with "Memory Context Restore" setting, if left on auto I would get long boot times and occaisionaly crash in windows. If set to enabled or disabled system crashed every time.

Downgraded to previous BIOS again and back to 30ish second boot times.
 
OK found out the problem with this beta bios agesa 1.0.0.4 is when you enable memory context restore, for speeding up the boot time and avoiding RAM training, lots of BSOD if that option is enabled. With that disabled, no bsod so far, and surpsingly boot times are quite good even with memory context restore disabled or auto.
 
OK found out the problem with this beta bios agesa 1.0.0.4 is when you enable memory context restore, for speeding up the boot time and avoiding RAM training, lots of BSOD if that option is enabled. With that disabled, no bsod so far, and surpsingly boot times are quite good even with memory context restore disabled or auto.
Sounds the same as One of the settings I tend to Disable on the 500 series and also advise others to do the same if memory is a bit of a problem
As well as Setting Memory to GearDown Mode instead of 1T to 2T
 
Sounds the same as One of the settings I tend to Disable on the 500 series and also advise others to do the same if memory is a bit of a problem
As well as Setting Memory to GearDown Mode instead of 1T to 2T
We have no GDM (Gear Down Mode) in our BIOS yet, so we can not set command rate to 2. I opened a ticket and requested it along with tREFI, I got a BIOS with the later yesterday though, pretty happy with MSI support, they really listen.
 
We have no GDM (Gear Down Mode) in our BIOS yet, so we can not set command rate to 2. I opened a ticket and requested it along with tREFI, I got a BIOS with the later yesterday though, pretty happy with MSI support, they really listen.
Ya they do and I have been bombarding them with build info along with other Moderators, not sure I'm their favourite person as I keep slinging more work their way.
 
One thing I've noticed with this 1.0.0.4 agesa bios is power consumption in idle is higher than on 1.0.0.3, I don't know if it's only me though as I'm using a beta bios not available for download on the official B650 Edge support website. In 1.0.0.3 it's ~25-28W and in 1.0.0.4 it's ~40-45W. I'm using the beta BIOS with tREFI @Svet provided me in another thread, not the one available on the MSI Edge support website as I said before, and I've also noticed I have now sleep mode when it wasn't available before, only restart and shutdown (my guess is that maybe it's related to the high power in idle).
 
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I downloaded the version released recently 7D69v14 and still have the same problem. Won't cold boot with AMD EXPO enabled and A6 Motherboard code with the RAM light on. If I hard boot it and power it a second time it turns on, but as soon as I shut it down or restart the PC same thing happens. A6 Motherboard Code with the RAM light on.... I can't believe they made this version official. Memory Context restore is on auto or disabled and same issue.

Updated CPU-Z:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X @ 5321.42 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR (x86.fr)
 
I downloaded the version released recently 7D69v14 and still have the same problem. Won't cold boot with AMD EXPO enabled and A6 Motherboard code with the RAM light on. If I hard boot it and power it a second time it turns on, but as soon as I shut it down or restart the PC same thing happens. A6 Motherboard Code with the RAM light on.... I can't believe they made this version official. Memory Context restore is on auto or disabled and same issue.

Updated CPU-Z:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X @ 5321.42 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR (x86.fr)
OK thanks for the update I have most of your build info and will add the new CPUZ validation to my note
I will so be happy once this gets sorted out list is getting a tad long
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So i upload the bios again and still same issues with me with enable memory context restore to disable I still get A6 errors and BSOD and stating that Windows boot drive is not available. I have GSkil DDR 6000 Memory in there.

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The version I have installed now works no issues.

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CPU-Z validation: https://valid.x86.fr/xf3yer

(CPU-Z validation reports incorrect memory tRC, CPU-Z app, Ryzen Master, and BIOS all show 30-40-40-96-136 (correct, tRP + tRAS = tRC),
but validation link shows 30-40-40-96-127 (incorrect, tRP + tRAS != tRC). Not sure why.)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X PBO curve -8 across cores (currently on 1.30, lost the more aggressive settings I had before)

Motherboard: MSI MEG X670E ACE


RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5N

(Technically, this kit is not on the compatible memory list, but according to G.SKILL datasheets, it should be identical to the
F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR version minus the RGB lights. Same timings, voltages, SK Hynix M-Die as TZ5NR. In any case, it
worked well on 7D69v13.)


CPU Cooler: Optimus foundation waterblock for AM5, Watercool MO-RA3 360 PRO, big reservoir.

(Overkill for just the processor, but GPU will eventually run through it as well.)


GPU: Nvidia 4090 FE

PSU: CORSAIR AX1600i

Monitor: Samsung C27HG7x

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Tried the upgrade to 7D69v14, released December 21, 2022, last night.

Set BIOS up with:
- HD Audio disabled (using AE-9 instead)
- Integrated GFX disabled
- ASMedia SATA controller off
- Fans set to correct PWM/DC settings where applicable

- Mfg Supplied EXPO profile at 30-40-40-96
- UCLK/FCLK 1:1
- Memory Power Down DISABLED
- Memory Context Restore DISABLED

(Below, 7D69v13 will be referred to as v1.30, 7D69v14 will be referred to as v1.40)


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Memory timings on v1.40 were EXPO profile defaults, 30-40-40-96-136, FCLK=UCLK, power down disabled, memory context restore disabled. System was not remotely stable.

v1.40 BIOS gave frequent BSODs, assuming it managed to get all the way into Windows. BSOD types were mixed, mostly MEMORY_MANAGEMENT, or IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. There was at least one other type, but I don't have it written down.

(Also got the A6 error code that other users have mentioned, especially in the BIOS GUI or trying to save BIOS changes and reboot)

Once memory timings were set to EXPO, the BIOS interface itself also stopped working correctly; unable to consistently make changes without the BIOS GUI locking up (no reaction to mouse or keyboard). Even when the BIOS GUI did not lock up while using it, it would often freeze/hang trying to save settings and reboot; needed a manual reset to reboot, and settings were not saved.

I also noticed when looking at subtimings, that a couple of them were lower on v1.40 by default, though not by much:

- tWRWRSD: 9 on v1.40, 10 on v1.30
- tWRWRDD: 9 on v1.40, 10 on v1.30
-tRDWR: 20 on v1.40, 21 on v1.30

Unsure how much difference that makes, but seemed strange. Setting these manually to the v1.30 values didn't make any difference in stability.

Default PBO settings also showed a lower voltage, but don't have the exact number recorded, something like 1.262 on v1.40, according to BIOS GUI, instead of 1.340 on v1.30. System not stable enough to mess with PBO on v1.40.

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Rolled back to v1.30, which initially exhibited the same behavior until I cleared CMOS and set everything back up again.

Original memory timings on v1.30, which I've now lost, were tighter than the default EXPO profile and stable with no issues, FCLK=UCLK, power down disabled, memory context restore disabled, something like 30-38-38-96-134 instead of default 30-40-40-96-136.

Had the TRFC1, TRFC2, and TRFCSB lower than default as well, but forgot to record the exact values, iirc, something like 525-385-313 instead of default 884-480-390.

PBO per-core curve settings were around -12 for some cores, with one or two at -8 and the rest at -10, stable for the last several weeks.

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Not sure what the issue with v1.40 is, but something (memory related, I assume) is definitely very broken.

On v1.30, unstable timings or memory settings generally don't boot at all; I hadn't seen a BSOD on this machine prior to trying v1.40.

Uh... I think that's all of the info I've got, let me know if you need anything else, thanks!
 
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Yes, they have.
Asrock and Gigabyte have supplied beta bioses for every board in their lineup. Long ago.
Asus has betas for their x670e boards.
MSI is a bit behind in terms of releases, but on track now.

I've seen many people with agesa 1.0.0.4 having the same problems. General instability, BSODs, just a broken experience. Looks like we have to wait for a patched agesa, may it be 1004a/1004b or 1005.
 
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