XPM Problem, need HELP

[stephen_rioblan156802dc]

Good morning,

Once in the bios of my CM Msi I go to pre-save profile 1 which is for overclocking and this activates the XPM of the RAM sticks that I have x4 "RAM Gskill D5 7800 32GB C36 TridentZ Z5 RGB K2" in order to obtain the 7800 MHZ proposed by Gskill.

Unfortunately once I save and I turn on the pc it gives me an error message with a black background saying "Memory Overclock Fail!"

So I would like to know where the problem comes from?
Is it a compatibility issue between the MSI MEG Z790 ACE motherboard and the Gskill D5 7800 32GB C36 TridentZ Z5 RGB K2 RAM sticks?
Or because I have 4 sticks of 16GB RAM? (Total 64gb)
Or BIOS update problem? (I have the latest version though)

I'm stuck at 4000MHZ, it's a shame not to be able to take full advantage of it given the price I paid...

Can you help me ?

Here is my config:

GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM X 24G
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K CPU
RAM x4 (64gb): RAM Gskill D5 7800 32GB C36 TridentZ Z5 / F5-7800J3646H16GX2-TZ5RSRGB K2
CM: MSI MEG Z790 ACE
SSD: Samsung 990 Pro MZ-V9P2T0BW 1TB
PSU: Cooler Master V1300 Platinum 30th Anniversary
Windows 11 Professional 64bit

Thank you.

 

[stephen_rioblan156802dc]

Yes you'd have to use Afterburner, I didn't OC my GPU as i wanted a constant to see how OCing the CPU and RAM would have on the system.

Do you have OC the CPU and RAM directly in the bios? I knew it was better to avoid OC the CPU because there was no difference and MSI's onboard bios OC wasn't super efficient... the only interesting point would be to enable XMP to the ram and that's it. What do you think ?

 

[BrotherBelial]

I did the Ocing via the BIOS.

 

[darkhawk]

I mean.....those numbers are really vague and you provide no info on what you meant by 'oc'ing.....kinda pointless to just list a bunch of numbers without any real insight into speeds.
And, given the numbers....3600 MHz is pretty....minimal, even by DDR4 standards. Especially in comparison to someone who wanted to run at speeds easily double that.....

As someone who is running something closer to that....there is a performance difference. More than seen on older (ie your) hardware.
See : https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram
Comparing even just DDR5 6400 vs DDR4 3600 shows some significant performance differences, depending on application, etc....Something that you very clearly gloss over and pretty much ignore.
Yes, it is application specific, but still, it's there if someone wants it depending on needs.
If we're talking strictly gaming, sure, it's only in the 3 to 5% difference. But to gloss it over and make it seem like there's no point? Nah....if he's got the hardware already, there's a good reason to use it if everything can support it. And given his hardware is pretty much identical to mine, why not?

Honestly, throw in 2 sticks, set up XMP and see what you can get, and how stable it is. I was relatively lucky with my kit, and it just worked fine by enabling XMP. Hopefully yours is the same.

 

[BrotherBelial]

I mean.....those numbers are really vague and you provide no info on what you meant by 'oc'ing.....kinda pointless to just list a bunch of numbers without any real insight into speeds.
And, given the numbers....3600 MHz is pretty....minimal, even by DDR4 standards. Especially in comparison to someone who wanted to run at speeds easily double that.....

As someone who is running something closer to that....there is a performance difference. More than seen on older (ie your) hardware.
See : https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram
Comparing even just DDR5 6400 vs DDR4 3600 shows some significant performance differences, depending on application, etc....Something that you very clearly gloss over and pretty much ignore.
Yes, it is application specific, but still, it's there if someone wants it depending on needs.
If we're talking strictly gaming, sure, it's only in the 3 to 5% difference. But to gloss it over and make it seem like there's no point? Nah....if he's got the hardware already, there's a good reason to use it if everything can support it. And given his hardware is pretty much identical to mine, why not?

Honestly, throw in 2 sticks, set up XMP and see what you can get, and how stable it is. I was relatively lucky with my kit, and it just worked fine by enabling XMP. Hopefully yours is the same.

if you want to know what the numbers mean, here is the website the scores were generated. MSI MPG Z590 GAMING PLUS (MS-7D07) Performance Results - UserBenchmark

 

[darkhawk]

if you want to know what the numbers mean, here is the website the scores were generated. MSI MPG Z590 GAMING PLUS (MS-7D07) Performance Results - UserBenchmark

Your memory. You make no reference what your speed, or 'overclock' was. Each set of numbers, sure, shows number, but is akin to comparing a Ferrari and a Subaru at a race and stating the subaru won, without mentioning that it was a rally and not a track. Kinda defeats the point.

I don't need to understand benchmarks or what the exact numbers mean to make correlations. But it's impossible without proper information, which your post lacks.

 

[BrotherBelial]

The numbers are irrelevant really. The average user wouldn't notice the benefits of overclocking a system unless they are using applications that need fast RAM. With SSD's and the raw power that components have these days OCing for the most part is pointless and only really done by people who want their names on leaderboards. The average user will take the 5% ish boost they get from XMP default and CPU OCing that come with their motherboards. Because the advantages these days are just not noticeable outside specific apps. Add in the extra heat and power draw and you have to ask yourself is it worth it.

For me personally it's not going to be worth it until I start to struggle to run games I want to play, and by that point I'll probably be in the market for a new PC.

 

[stephen_rioblan156802dc]

I did the Ocing via the BIOS.

pensez-vous qu'il est conseillé de faire du CPU ou seulement du XMP ?

I do not know if there is really a difference of OC the cpu, what do you think

 

[stephen_rioblan156802dc]

Les chiffres ne sont vraiment pas pertinents. L'utilisateur moyen ne remarquerait pas les avantages de l'overclocking d'un système à moins qu'il n'utilise des applications nécessitant une RAM rapide. Avec les SSD et la puissance brute que les composants ont de nos jours, l'OCing est pour la plupart inutile et n'est vraiment fait que par des personnes qui veulent que leur nom figure dans les classements. L'utilisateur moyen bénéficiera de l'augmentation de 5 % qu'il obtient grâce à XMP par défaut et à l'OCing du processeur fourni avec sa carte mère. Parce que les avantages de nos jours ne sont tout simplement pas perceptibles en dehors d'applications spécifiques. Ajoutez la chaleur supplémentaire et la consommation d'énergie et vous devez vous demander si cela en vaut la peine.

Pour moi personnellement, cela ne vaudra pas la peine jusqu'à ce que je commence à avoir du mal à exécuter les jeux auxquels je veux jouer, et à ce moment-là, je serai probablement sur le marché pour un nouveau PC.
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Okay, thank you very much for your feedback and your opinion on the subject. It helps me to make certain choices. I'm thinking of just enabling XMP in the bios and that's it. I intend to avoid touching the OC of the GPU and the CPU given the little difference there is at stake...

 

[BrotherBelial]

pensez-vous qu'il est conseillé de faire du CPU ou seulement du XMP ?

I do not know if there is really a difference of OC the cpu, what do you think

It really depends on what you are doing. It you are just gaming watching YouTube etc. You'll not really see a massive difference by OCing everything. You will gain some FPS and depending on the game those could be significant. But as I've already said, you have to balance that on the extra heat and power draw. You may need to change your cooling or even your case to negate the extra heat. If I OC my Ram an CPU just using the MSI defaults in the BIOS, my CPU temperature goes up by 20 degrees C, from 32-35c to 52-55c+. Just turning on XMP my CPU went up 10c. I can't remember what it any the temperature changes are for the RAM.

So personally just because I can doesn't mean I should in my opinion, unless you are doing things that would really benefit from it, and you have looked at the pros and cons of it all.

For me personally OCing has been irrelevant for the average user for years. Add in the speed of SSD's and the faster boot times offered by OCing are kind of mute. Will it kill you to wait an extra 2 seconds to get to your windows login?

 

[stephen_rioblan156802dc]

It really depends on what you are doing. It you are just gaming watching YouTube etc. You'll not really see a massive difference by OCing everything. You will gain some FPS and depending on the game those could be significant. But as I've already said, you have to balance that on the extra heat and power draw. You may need to change your cooling or even your case to negate the extra heat. If I OC my Ram an CPU just using the MSI defaults in the BIOS, my CPU temperature goes up by 20 degrees C, from 32-35c to 52-55c+. Just turning on XMP my CPU went up 10c. I can't remember what it any the temperature changes are for the RAM.

So personally just because I can doesn't mean I should in my opinion, unless you are doing things that would really benefit from it, and you have looked at the pros and cons of it all.

For me personally OCing has been irrelevant for the average user for years. Add in the speed of SSD's and the faster boot times offered by OCing are kind of mute. Will it kill you to wait an extra 2 seconds to get to your windows login?

I understand yes, thank you for your time and explanations! it really helps me understand the importance of OC. But I remain perplexed on one thing, the XMP proposed in the msi bios would I think be interesting since I have 4x16gb of ram in 7800Mhz even if I will never expect 7800 with 4x16 but rather 7200 mhz with a little luck or below ... I understand that for the msi meg z790 ace I will obtain for quad ram a frequency of about 6400 Mhz. it's not so bad but if I don't activate the XMP it depends on 4000mhz.. which is a shame I think. What do you think ?



I still had a small question, I saw several types of ram at Gskill. They offer some with 2x24 "G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 48 GB (2 x 24 GB) DDR5 7600 MHz CL38" / F5-7600J3852F24GX2-TZ5RK

I wanted to know what would be the best and most optimal between 2x24gb and 2x16gb? Apart from the size going to 24 is there a change or not at all? THANKS !

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

 

[BrotherBelial]

I understand yes, thank you for your time and explanations! it really helps me understand the importance of OC. But I remain perplexed on one thing, the XMP proposed in the msi bios would I think be interesting since I have 4x16gb of ram in 7800Mhz even if I will never expect 7800 with 4x16 but rather 7200 mhz with a little luck or below ... I understand that for the msi meg z790 ace I will obtain for quad ram a frequency of about 6400 Mhz. it's not so bad but if I don't activate the XMP it depends on 4000mhz.. which is a shame I think. What do you think ?



I still had a small question, I saw several types of ram at Gskill. They offer some with 2x24 "G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 48 GB (2 x 24 GB) DDR5 7600 MHz CL38" / F5-7600J3852F24GX2-TZ5RK

I wanted to know what would be the best and most optimal between 2x24gb and 2x16gb? Apart from the size going to 24 is there a change or not at all? THANKS !

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

when it comes to ram, the general rule is more is better. Yes fast ram is good and can work just as fast has having more ram. In a very basic way having really fast 16GB of RAM could work just as well as 32GB of a slow speed RAM. There is a lot more to it, than that, but as I said, that's the basics, and normally having more RAM is better than messing around the get the most out of faster RAM but having less of it. the first selectable XMP is a "default" overclock. it will put your ram in to a safe stable OC. my ram is a 3600MHz RAM i can OC it to that with no issues with XMP. but with playing games and day to day use of my PC, I didn't notice and real difference in the speed or responsiveness of my PC when overclocked. Not waiting an extra 1-2 seconds to get to my windows login screen isn't worth the extra heat and power draw in my personal opinion. But then that's a choice you have to make for yourself.

 

[stephen_rioblan156802dc]

when it comes to ram, the general rule is more is better. Yes fast ram is good and can work just as fast has having more ram. In a very basic way having really fast 16GB of RAM could work just as well as 32GB of a slow speed RAM. There is a lot more to it, than that, but as I said, that's the basics, and normally having more RAM is better than messing around the get the most out of faster RAM but having less of it. the first selectable XMP is a "default" overclock. it will put your ram in to a safe stable OC. my ram is a 3600MHz RAM i can OC it to that with no issues with XMP. but with playing games and day to day use of my PC, I didn't notice and real difference in the speed or responsiveness of my PC when overclocked. Not waiting an extra 1-2 seconds to get to my windows login screen isn't worth the extra heat and power draw in my personal opinion. But then that's a choice you have to make for yourself.

Ok, do you think there is a big difference between rams with 2x24gb vs 2x16gb? Because by doing some research I knew that the one with 2x24go would be "better" than 2x16go... Apart from the size which increases I don't really see a difference, would you be more on this subject? This about these ram sticks = Gskill Trident Z5 RGB 7200 CL36-46-46-115 1.35V / F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TZ5RK

F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TZ5RK - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z5 RGB series DDR5 memory is designed for ultra-high performance on DDR5 platforms. Featuring a sleek and streamlined aluminum heatspreader design, available in metallic silver, matte black, or matte white, the Trident Z5 RGB series DDR5 DRAM memory is the ideal choice to build a...

www.gskill.com

 

[Alan J T]

Ok, do you think there is a big difference between rams with 2x24gb vs 2x16gb? Because by doing some research I knew that the one with 2x24go would be "better" than 2x16go... Apart from the size which increases I don't really see a difference, would you be more on this subject? This about these ram sticks = Gskill Trident Z5 RGB 7200 CL36-46-46-115 1.35V / F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TZ5RK

F5-7200J3646F24GX2-TZ5RK - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z5 RGB series DDR5 memory is designed for ultra-high performance on DDR5 platforms. Featuring a sleek and streamlined aluminum heatspreader design, available in metallic silver, matte black, or matte white, the Trident Z5 RGB series DDR5 DRAM memory is the ideal choice to build a...

www.gskill.com

I run double the standard amount of ram as I prefer to disable Pagefile
And I disable Memory Compression

 

[Ri2dLe]

I run double the standard amount of ram as I prefer to disable Pagefile
And I disable Memory Compression
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intresting, 10 years a go I run those on an other disk. It increased my speed on those old hard drives, because they where spinning separately.