Z690 unify x issues

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Hello , I recently bought an MSI Z690 Unify-X an i9-12900KS and a Gskill Z5 RGB 6400mhz cl32 kit. I updated the bios to (7D28vA3) to accommodate the 12900KS microcode. so far without worries. I activated XMP to benefit from the maximum performance of my ram. I encounter in games total freeze of the pc it is impossible to play more than 10 min… I would like to know what I can do, I'm lost. I see that there is a beta bios 7D28vA42 that could solve the problem? thank you .
 
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As for crashes, well, I'm going to download as many games as possible and I'll tell you if there's a crash or not. for the temperatures, the 3090 ti suprim x can take well over 400w on GOD4 it remains constantly between 477-516w which is the maximum that the card can provide and the temperatures remain extremely low sometimes the GPU is so cold (start at 14 degrees when i start up pc) that in games after 3-4 hours it never exceeded 32 degrees on GOD4. I also have a chiller so the temperatures are not the cause. but I think it's a small problem but which causes big things
 
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well it may seem laughable to you but I don't use my pc to go on the forum I don't use my pc to browse the web it's only for me to play that's all and to do bench 3d mark etc I use my phone for the forum so whether you like it or not it's the same thing. I'm here to get help not to take my head on a forum because of screen so the screen on such will have to accommodate you. And i don’t play on monitor i play on a tv and hwinfo64 look super tiny with <—> with all sensor
 
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I can't say i understand the reasoning for arbitrarily seperating the use of a forum from playing games, but if you rather type and upload everything from your phone, i will respect that. Your prior lack of feedback about my remarks led me to believe you were using the PC and didn't want to make screenshots for some reason, but take photos instead. Now i understand you are using your phone for the forum, ok. Apologies if i came across the wrong way.

If all other games run fine and only the one game is freezing, it should have nothing to do with any instability, maybe it's some bug with that game and your new hardware, for example it doesn't like mixed P- and E-cores or something like that. If several other games also freeze, we'll see if we can fix this weird instability.
 
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excuse me for having answered in a cold way sometimes my temper is stronger than me. I'm French and the translator translated your post in a pretty mean way 😅 I'm sorry. I will do my best for the screens and the next time will try the pc itself. yes I understand maybe it would be a problem with this hybrid architecture. I will try other games as much as possible and I will say thank you again
 
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Klementiefperrine said:
yes for the test without xmp I will try after having tried some games to be sure that the problem is not related to the hybrid architecture.
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1) disable XMP (set memory speed 4800MHz) and see if you get any crash.
If not, try 5200, 5600 and 6000MHz

2) the market is full of buggy games, so be sure you test many games (if you're a gamer).
;)
 
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I had this issue with the ram too. I'm the writer if the thread that citay referred to at first post. Something are interesting to me about your setup
Your system is too cool! My Msi 3080 ti goes to 80 in normal gaming. Cpu 12900k at 60 to 66
35 degrees on gpu when gaming?wow

The freez and problems like that i had with games too this went away without xmp at normal 4800 speed.

You want to see the stable 6400 and no freez and error?! i tested and you have to manually change some voltages like cpu sa and others. Since seems you are not into that stuff and i don't recommend going this way it's better try the memory try it feature of msi bios and change to something like 6000 5800. i will send some settings for 6400 in my thread but they do require some high voltages which I'm not sure they are good for the long run. Even though msi has some high predefined voltages itself, With this kit 6400 xmp is super unstable in default and requires a bios update from msi which fingers crossed i hope they do it on next series of bios update.
For now if you want to test 6400 which i heavily don't recommend doing is to set
cpu sa 1.470
Cpu vddq 1.450
Cpu vdd2 1.560
dram voltage 1.440
DRAM vddq voltage 1.440
 
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hello everyone thank you for your answers again, I left myself 1 week of testing in order to test a maximum of games for a long time and indeed it lacks stability some games like cbp2077 could be played for 3 days for about 2 hours . and yesterday it froze after 15 min. another example bf1 no longer crashes but when loading some map the game crashes but not the entire pc . all other game lt’s the pc stuck on the game .. I think it's not about the games but about randomness. and indeed without xmp everything is going well. @alamishaya151d02d0 with xmp 6400 cl32 I have neither bsod nor anything at all, no errors as you may have had tm5 which I redid, nor linpack, no worries. I would like to try to hold it manually can I have advice and help thank you . And yes i get 35 degres on gpu but in summer. otherwise it's 27-30 . can go below during the night .
I have a question if I change the motherboard will it solve the problem? for a z690 dark kingpin or a z690 apex?
 
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Klementiefperrine said:
and indeed without xmp everything is going well.
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Again:
disable XMP (set memory speed 4800MHz) and see if you get any crash.
If not, try 5200, 5600 and 6000MHz

Klementiefperrine said:
I have a question if I change the motherboard will it solve the problem? for a z690 dark kingpin or a z690 apex?
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No.
Again: 32GB at 6400MHz is not guaranteed to run stable on any of the current CPUs
At 6400MHz you are gambling!
 
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I think it's Nvidia driver. Last 3 drivers crashed when I was playing destiny 2.
I read whole thread because I was looking to buy Ace or Unify. Very nice the support is very good here. It's the most important thing. I hope you get it fixed sooner ☺️.
 
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i would def stay clear of Asus for the 690 platform. i have had two Extreme boards and i could not even get a stable 6000 kit to work on either of the boards two different 6000 kits as well. the memory was on the Asus QVL made no difference.
 
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I can confirm that the new series of bios update (a7,a70) resolve the issues with 6400 ddr5 ram. My issue is now resolved and the ram now works without error in 6400 xmp without modification. If you have a bios update please update it. The a7 bios released yesterday for z690 force . before this update it couldn't even boot with xmp enabled gskill 6400 ddr5.
 
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i got the same problem now

cpu: i9 12900k
board: msi z690 unify
ram: gskill ddr5 6000

jus random crashes in windows etc
when i turn the xmp off, then it runs without problems
dno what i can do about it, the newest bios update didnt fix that problem on the z690 unify
i think, ill jus try to use lower settings, till it works stable?

checkd the net a bit, alot got probs with xmp and the z690 chip (all kind of manufactorers)
 
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ddr4.15a002e3 said:
i got the same problem now
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You need to attach a picture of the memory sticker like others.
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Also, how many stick you're using now? If it's 4 stick, most likely it cannot go to 6000mhz, 4000 to 4800 is prob the best you can achieve now.
 
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plutomate said:
You need to attach a picture of the memory sticker like others.
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Also, how many stick you're using now? If it's 4 stick, most likely it cannot go to 6000mhz, 4000 to 4800 is prob the best you can achieve now.
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i try to check that later, need to work now ;o
i got 4 sticks and they run atm at 5600mhz, but on that speed i need to test a bit longer, if they stay stable
thank you
 
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there is really not much of overclocking head room for DDR5 right now when you use 4 stick. It has nothing to do with BIOS.
 
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Yes, four modules are quite bad with DDR5. I explain this in detail in my RAM thread under 2).

You will see that there are no four-module RAM kits for DDR5 at all, and that's for a reason. Once you use four modules on any Z690 DDR5 board (also from other brands), the frequency that the memory system can reach suddenly drops down considerably, as you see in my thread. They might be able to improve the situation somewhat with a new BIOS, but i don't think it's possible to do so in a way that would allow anywhere close to DDR5-6000. I would say that with the current generation of DDR5 board designs, with four modules, it's more likely that they will always stay way below. With DDR5 it's always highly advised to use two modules only (and even with DDR4 that is advised, but four modules can at least work decently there).

DDR4 is actually better for high-capacity/high-density memory configurations, because:
- It doesn't experience such a drop in the electrical properties of the memory system when using four modules
- Big DDR4 modules and kits of four are readily available for a much lower price
- Four-module kits are actually certified on the QVL
- They will most likely outperform their DDR5 equivalent due to DDR4's lower latencies, vs. DDR5's necessary low frequencies at this configuration (meaning, the fact that the higher DDR5 latencies can't be compensated by higher frequencies anymore, because four modules force lower frequencies to be stable).

As for the performance scaling, read here, https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling/

So, the MSI specification is not to be taken lightly. Even looking at two modules only, DDR5-6200/6400 kits are really causing some problems on boards with four RAM slots. That's on the upper end of what the signal quality currently allows for on DDR5, unless you pump in ungodly amounts of voltage or use other tricks that are not the best for a daily system. Watch this spot in the video here where buildzoid talks about that issue. DDR5-6400+ might only work properly on boards with two RAM slots, because the signal quality is better there than a four-slot board with two empty slots. And it also depends on the CPU's IMC (memory controller), some might get unstable at DDR5-6400, in that case, you have to try manually setting the DRAM frequency to DDR5-6200 or lower. But with four modules, you cannot dream of such RAM frequencies.
 
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hello, the latest bios did not change anything for me on a z690 unify x too. always crashes I answered you above that changing mobo probably wouldn't change anything but thinking about it it comes from a bios problem with the rams, if kingpin has a better last bios that will solve the problem .
 
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