Z890-P WiFI Sleep / 200S boost / memory errors

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Hopefully someone can offer some help with the weird issue I am experiencing.

I have been experiencing apparently random BSOD issues for a few weeks. After a day of experimenting i have a bizarre way of triggering the fault to occur.
Boot the system from cold, tell it to seep, wake it up. If you try using the PC it is guaranteed to BSOD / freeze / black screen within a few minutes. If you restart in to memtest, it will fail test 7 every time.
If you use the reset button / hold the power button to shut down and boot back in to memtest, the fault remains. if you hard power off by cutting the mains supply then power back on, the fault is gone until the PC sleeps again.

I have tried a few things
Different memory kits: no difference
XMP enabled / disabled: no difference
onboard graphics / 5080: no difference
UPS on power: no difference
reseat CPU: no difference
different SSD and a clean windows install: no difference
reset BIOS: no difference
update bios (i was having BSOD issues with the bios i was initially running (7E34v1A81), the 200s behaviour is the same on both 7E34v1A83 and 7E34v1A9)

The machine isn't overheating. during a load test I can get the CPU in to the high 70s, memory in to the 60s. Voltages look stable. It doesn't matter if i run tests immediately following a cold boot or once the machine has been powered on for an hour, the behaviour is the same.

The only thing that changes the behaviour is changing performance mode.
In 200S boost I can have the above behaviour every time. In normal / MSI performance mode I get occasional crashes / memory test failures but only 1 in 10 tests show either a memory fault or one CPU core as faulty (OCCT / memtest). I can't reliably produce a crash without using 200S but it has crashed in normal mode. I only know 200S exists following a bios flash to try and fix the BSOD issue I was already experiencing.
If I don't let the machine sleep it will run for 4+ hours without issue. Once it has resumed from sleep I know it will crash.

My Specs are
Intel 285k
360mm AIO
MSI Pro Z890P-WiFi
64Gb G.Skill 6400CL32 (i have tried Kingston and crucial memory too)
RTX 5080
Corsair RM1000x PSU
WD 850 black 4tb M.2 SSD
Every component is less than a month old.

I am not sure if this is a motherboard or a CPU fault but i have tried 3 different memory kits and the fault exists with both with the onboard graphics and with a 5080 installed.

It's not impossible my random crashes are completely unrelated to the sleep / 200S boost problem but it is a major coincidence if i have 2 unrelated faults with very similar symptoms.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? i am tearing my hair out trying to find what's wrong.
 
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I'd open a ticket with MSI. Issues with sleep mode can be quite common with a relatively new platform, there's always tons of those at the beginning of the BIOS development. Your hardware seems reasonably well-chosen, just send the specs to MSI and have them try to reproduce it so they can work at fixing it. Never replace the board over something like this, because if it's a BIOS bug, you could replace it a hundred times with the same outcome.
 
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Thank you for the advice. Unfortunately every time I try opening a ticket I get a 500 server error. I'll try again tomorrow and see if they have fixed whatever is wrong with the website.
Cheers :)
 
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TerryG said:
64Gb G.Skill 6400CL32 (i have tried Kingston and crucial memory too)
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which exact model is it? can you attach memory sticker?
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TerryG said:
Hopefully someone can offer some help with the weird issue I am experiencing.

I have been experiencing apparently random BSOD issues for a few weeks. After a day of experimenting i have a bizarre way of triggering the fault to occur.
Boot the system from cold, tell it to seep, wake it up. If you try using the PC it is guaranteed to BSOD / freeze / black screen within a few minutes. If you restart in to memtest, it will fail test 7 every time.
If you use the reset button / hold the power button to shut down and boot back in to memtest, the fault remains. if you hard power off by cutting the mains supply then power back on, the fault is gone until the PC sleeps again.

I have tried a few things
Different memory kits: no difference
XMP enabled / disabled: no difference
onboard graphics / 5080: no difference
UPS on power: no difference
reseat CPU: no difference
different SSD and a clean windows install: no difference
reset BIOS: no difference
update bios (i was having BSOD issues with the bios i was initially running (7E34v1A81), the 200s behaviour is the same on both 7E34v1A83 and 7E34v1A9)

The machine isn't overheating. during a load test I can get the CPU in to the high 70s, memory in to the 60s. Voltages look stable. It doesn't matter if i run tests immediately following a cold boot or once the machine has been powered on for an hour, the behaviour is the same.

The only thing that changes the behaviour is changing performance mode.
In 200S boost I can have the above behaviour every time. In normal / MSI performance mode I get occasional crashes / memory test failures but only 1 in 10 tests show either a memory fault or one CPU core as faulty (OCCT / memtest). I can't reliably produce a crash without using 200S but it has crashed in normal mode. I only know 200S exists following a bios flash to try and fix the BSOD issue I was already experiencing.
If I don't let the machine sleep it will run for 4+ hours without issue. Once it has resumed from sleep I know it will crash.

My Specs are
Intel 285k
360mm AIO
MSI Pro Z890P-WiFi
64Gb G.Skill 6400CL32 (i have tried Kingston and crucial memory too)
RTX 5080
Corsair RM1000x PSU
WD 850 black 4tb M.2 SSD
Every component is less than a month old.

I am not sure if this is a motherboard or a CPU fault but i have tried 3 different memory kits and the fault exists with both with the onboard graphics and with a 5080 installed.

It's not impossible my random crashes are completely unrelated to the sleep / 200S boost problem but it is a major coincidence if i have 2 unrelated faults with very similar symptoms.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? i am tearing my hair out trying to find what's wrong.
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Have you tried turning off 200S memory boost, since not all memory supports this?
 
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TerryG said:
The problem is with sleep mode rather than the memory / memory controller. If I don't let the PC sleep it will run fine forever. Once it resumes from sleep, the memory errors start.
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Do not put the device to sleep, just lock it.
 
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TerryG said:
The problem is with sleep mode rather than the memory / memory controller. If I don't let the PC sleep it will run fine forever. Once it resumes from sleep, the memory errors start.
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Perhaps 200S memory boost is affected by sleep mode. It would seem that sleep mode should not affect anything, but it appears it does. If you turn off memory boost, do you get memory errors coming out of sleep? I could not find that the G. Skill memory supports 200S memory boost. I don't know about the other memory you tried.
 
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TerryG said:
Would you be happy having a £2500 / $3400ish computer knowing it has a fault which means you can't use it as you would like to or would you look for a real fix?
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I think this problem exists even with the fourteenth generation of Intel and AMD because sleep mode is like freezing the device. I have an i9 14900k device. I will put it in sleep mode and see if it boots up or faces problems, etc.
 
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Sleep mode is notoriously buggy, even if it doesn’t start out that way. But with the newer platforms it takes even more time to fix these bugs (if ever). Keep trying to let MSI know of your issue. And definitely turn off any newly rolled out features like 200S Boost.
 
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FlyingScot said:
Sleep mode is notoriously buggy, even if it doesn’t start out that way. But with the newer platforms it takes even more time to fix these bugs (if ever). Keep trying to let MSI know of your issue. And definitely turn off any newly rolled out features like 200S Boost.
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You are right about sleep mode being buggy, but the issue may not be MSI's, it could be Intel or Windows.
 
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victor.to151d02d6 said:
You are right about sleep mode being buggy, but the issue may not be MSI's, it could be Intel or Windows.
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Absolutely that’s the case. In fact, in my experience Windows is often why things start out well and then get buggy. I have never had much success using sleep mode on any of my PCs. For some reason, it seems to work better on Laptops.
 
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victor.to151d02d6 said:
You are right about sleep mode being buggy, but the issue may not be MSI's, it could be Intel or Windows
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FlyingScot said:
Absolutely that’s the case. In fact, in my experience Windows is often why things start out well and then get buggy. I have never had much success using sleep mode on any of my PCs. For some reason, it seems to work better on Laptops.
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More than true!
In fact most of the "sleep mode" issues are OS (Windows) or PSU related.
That's why "sleep" was always disabled on all my machines since the beginning of the time. :ROFLMAO:
Of course, I cannot bet that Intel did an amazing thing with this "200S boost".
As I said several times before: collection of bugs everywhere. :biggrin:
 
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RemusM said:
As I said several times before: collection of bugs everywhere.
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Here's a question for all those smart people out there...in the vain of "Do fish get thirsty?"
If buggy code is later impacted by a bug, could the buggy code actually start to work correctly?
 
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TerryG said:
Currently I have G.Skill F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TR5S fitted. Have tried Kingston KF564C32BBK2-64 Crucial CP2K32G64C40U5B and 32gb of samsung something or another i borrowed from work.
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Late to the conversation, love the laughs. MSI released a list of RAM that they certified to work with the 200s BIOS. You might check the RAM you used to see if MSI has confirmed it would be stable. Otherwise, I would stay with v.1A70. The sleep issue is frustrating, hope there is a fix soon.
Best of luck.
 
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SmokeyGrayPoupon said:
MSI released a list of RAM that they certified to work with the 200s BIOS. You might check the RAM you used to see if MSI has confirmed it would be stable.
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Guys, you need to understand that the overclocking results are NOT guaranteed by anyone.
On top of that, around 8000MT/s the CPU IMC overclocking capabilities is the most important factor.
https://game.intel.com/gb/stories/200s-boost-overclocking-profile/
Overclocking results will vary. The 200S Boost profile does not guarantee that any overclocking frequencies will be achievable or stable or that any level of performance will be achievable.
 
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RemusM said:
Guys, you need to understand that the overclocking results are NOT guaranteed by anyone.
On top of that, around 8000MT/s the CPU IMC overclocking capabilities is the most important factor.
https://game.intel.com/gb/stories/200s-boost-overclocking-profile/
Overclocking results will vary. The 200S Boost profile does not guarantee that any overclocking frequencies will be achievable or stable or that any level of performance will be achievable.
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I agree with your reply. Everything depends on the system, primarily the CPU's IMC.
MSI stated: "These aren’t just compatible kits, they’re co-engineered, verified, and fine-tuned to meet Intel® 200S Boost standards, unlocking enhanced memory performance with confidence and stability. See all validated memory kits here." from https://www.msi.com/blog/how-to-ena...and-maximize-performance-with-memory-partners
 
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