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  Im replacing my 3000 Venice with a 3800 X2 this week.  I have updated to the 1D Bios in preparation.

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  Apparently , XP can either recognize the dual chip without issue, or not.   I'm trying to figure out in advance if I'm going to have a problem or not. Is there some pattern to this or is it random?

  Is there anything else I need to do to prep the system?

  As for patches,  the more I read the more confused I get.   You have the AMD Dual Core patch and this from M$::

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;896256

  What's the bottom line  :shocked_anim: on what you NEED to install to get smooth dual core performance??





 
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the best performance: fresh install of windows xp or vista, then fully updated, and then that MS patch that you have listed, then also this patch here from AMD
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe -- the dual core optimizer

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Hi there ,i have gone over the material here and am not sure if the problem i am having with my dual-core upgrade is the same issue. I originally checked in the Device Manager and the Computer is listed as an "ACPI Uniprocessor PC" , so i assumed i could at least just exchange the CPU and change everything else later (Driver , optimizer etc....). The PC booted up and Recognized the CPU correctly, went through the posting and just blanked out when it was time to load Windows.I think i had a blinking "underscore" the first time . I am not new to computers, but am a little out of my league when it comes to diagnosing what to do first in this situation . So, if anyone had an idea in which direction i should go , it would be much appreciated ... 8-)).   Thanks
BTW -- the new CPU i want to install is an AMD 4800+ X2  (Toledo Core) and the updated Bios is X2 friendly !!! 
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so you have installed the X2 CPU and can't boot OS with it?
try to boot into Safe mode then update "ACPI Uniprocessor PC" to "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".
if can't boot into safe mode. change HAL to "ACPI Multiprocessor PC" before install the X2 CPU.

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so you have installed the X2 CPU and can't boot OS with it?



Yes ,this happened with the new X2 Cpu , I tried a couple of different things in the bios and still would not load windows,so i threw my 3000+ back in and everything functioned fine.
I will try later today to change the HAL over to multiprocessor "before" dual core install and i assume i will need to update the driver and dual core optimizer "after" installing the new dual core .

Thanks for the quick response BossKiller           :biggthumbsup:
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Yes ,this happened with the new X2 Cpu , I tried a couple of different things in the bios and still would not load windows,so i threw my 3000+ back in and everything functioned fine.
I will try later today to change the HAL over to multiprocessor "before" dual core install and i assume i will need to update the driver and dual core optimizer "after" installing the new dual core .

Thanks for the quick response BossKiller           :biggthumbsup:
you are welcome,
"I will try later today to change the HAL over to multiprocessor "before" dual core install and i assume i will need to update the driver and dual core optimizer "after" installing the new dual core ."
all procedure can be done with single core CPU as well, e.g.:
change/update HAL to "ACPI Multiprocessor PC"
reboot.
install Dual Core HotFix V4 --> http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103843.0
reboot.
install Dual Core Optimizer --> http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe
reboot, lets load OS, power down PC and install X2 CPU.

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ARRRGGGHHHH  !!!  well , i really did it now . I decided to remove the MS Hotfix and the AMD Dual Core Optimizer at the same time in order to install everything in a different order because with the above mentioned changes, my 4800 X2 did not want to load the OS(again) . I put back in my 3000+ single core and have now screwed it up so that it can't load up the OS as well .  :wall: 
 when i try safe mode , it shows the list of drivers? loading up, but then stops and reboots everytime. Is this actually the boot.ini ? Final question : is there any way of getting through this ,or should i just drag my sorry azz back to the computer and do a repair fix? I do have my kids computer hooked up with XP pro as well ,if there is anyway of taking some files from it to repair my machine .  I'm out ........... :bonk:
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ARRRGGGHHHH  !!!  well , i really did it now . I decided to remove the MS Hotfix and the AMD Dual Core Optimizer at the same time in order to install everything in a different order because with the above mentioned changes, my 4800 X2 did not want to load the OS(again) . I put back in my 3000+ single core and have now screwed it up so that it can't load up the OS as well .  :wall: 
 when i try safe mode , it shows the list of drivers? loading up, but then stops and reboots everytime. Is this actually the boot.ini ? Final question : is there any way of getting through this ,or should i just drag my sorry azz back to the computer and do a repair fix? I do have my kids computer hooked up with XP pro as well ,if there is anyway of taking some files from it to repair my machine .  I'm out ........... :bonk:
"I decided to remove the MS Hotfix and the AMD Dual Core Optimizer at the same time in order to install everything in a different order because with the above mentioned changes, my 4800 X2 did not want to load the OS(again) . I put back in my 3000+ single core and have now screwed it up so that it can't load up the OS as well .  :wall:  "

why you do that?


"Final question : is there any way of getting through this ,or should i just drag my sorry azz back to the computer and do a repair fix? I do have my kids computer hooked up with XP pro as well ,if there is anyway of taking some files from it to repair my machine .  I'm out ........... :bonk:"

easy and perhaps fast way to fix it, to perform OS repair.

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"I decided to remove the MS Hotfix and the AMD Dual Core Optimizer at the same time in order to install everything in a different order because with the above mentioned changes, my 4800 X2 did not want to load the OS(again) . I put back in my 3000+ single core and have now screwed it up so that it can't load up the OS as well .  :wall:  "

why you do that?



I thought i may have installed a few things in the wrong order or just had basically become frustrated and tried doing some things i should have left alone . Either i will learn a few things from goofing around with the OS or i will learn to just leave it alone  :noidea:
  I'll try the OS repair , thanks for taking time on this matter , BossKiller   :worship:

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"I'll try the OS repair ,"

yes do that mate :yes: and let we know how its going

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I thought i may have installed a few things in the wrong order or just had basically become frustrated and tried doing some things i should have left alone . Either i will learn a few things from goofing around with the OS or i will learn to just leave it alone  :noidea:
  I'll try the OS repair , thanks for taking time on this matter , BossKiller   :worship:

its during that time you learn the most, young grasshopper...you learn the most when you broke it, and you apply the lesson when you fix it...

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I just upgraded from a Newcastle 3500+ Athlon64 today and had a lot of trouble.

Device Manager shows "ACPI Uniprocessor PC". I tried to change it to "ACPI Multiprocessor PC" but Windows 2000 kept crashing on startup with a BSOD. I just got Uniprocessor back via Safe Mode. Task Manager has only one set of graphs. What do the different CPU ACPI settings mean anyway.

Before the upgrade my Dual Channel memory was doing fine. Immediately on firing up with the new CPU, the memory wouldn't post. I switched positions to Single Channel and the BIOS would post. Next I reconnected the drives and various problems with Windows freezing. Checking the BIOS, the memory was reporting as DDR333 instead of DDR400. I removed the second stick and Windows ran OK, but rather slow as I have gone from 1024Meg Dual Channel to 512Meg Single Channel. I never touched the memory until the PC failed to Post.

Should I try this multiple HAL thing or just leave well enough alone? BTW, the Manchester runs much cooler than the Newcastle at the same 2.0Ghz, but maybe thats the ThermalTake Cooler and Antec (sic) Silver .
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@ASegredo
open a new own thread, read Moan Guide and exlplain the problem there.
your newest CPU is X2 core?
do you use matched pairs memory sticks?
ensure you have used DIMM1(A) and DIMM2(B) mainboard slots.
Clear CMOS Guide then get a copy of Memtest86 and test memory for errors.

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Sorry, I've done that. You can remove these posts now.
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Let me see if I got this right before i change to X2 ... my computer is a ACPI Multiprocessor .... so can I put in the x2 and be ok and rock on or do I have to do something  :confused2:
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one more thing... does my MOBO support X2?  I checked the MSI specs page and it doesn't mention X2 :confused2:
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Any dual core amd socket 939 cpu will work in your motherboard.
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Cool thanks Greyone... I wont put in the new processor till I figure out the sound problem.  but if you got time to read this thread it's really helpful
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I just upgraded from single core to X2 4400.  I show ACPI multiprocessor after updating the driver but in the task manager I only show one use graph.  Am I running single core still or dual core?  If single, do I need to  change the HAL?  I can put a PC together but all that seemed like more than I am comfortable doing since I didn't know what most of it meant or how to go about doing it.  Is that the only way to avoid doing a new XP install?
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hello,
do mainboard detect CPU property?
install Dual Core HotFix V4 --> http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103843.0
reboot.
install Dual Core Optimizer --> http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe
reboot, re-test. (check it from device manager:

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already installed the hot fix. Will try the optimizer.

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Ok, so I am just flat out confused after reading through this thread.... I looked and in my computer manager it shows "ACPI Uniproccessor"  I took out my amd 3200 + and stuck in the X2 and everything booted perfectly and started windows like normal, now I do not know exactly how to check to see if both cores are running....can someone post a screeny of what the task manager should look like if they are running?  If they are not I am just going to do a fresh XP install ...my external HD makes doing this fairly easy.  THen once OS is fresh install what things do I need to download and install after that or do I have to do any?  Please help my head hurts after reading this whole thread....aye everyone has different solututions I don;t know what to do...i'm not dumb just burnt out ofter working 8-12 hours a day in the office  :sleep:  :rolleyes_anim:
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Also do I need a BIOS update?  I have never updated BIOS before so I don't how to do that ...i'm learning bear  with me   :undecided:
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Ok this is weird ... I just checked my Computer in hardware manager and it now says ACPI multiprocessor computer after installing the X2 chip is it ok or do I have to do more stuff?
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Ok this is weird ... I just checked my Computer in hardware manager and it now says ACPI multiprocessor computer after installing the X2 chip is it ok or do I have to do more stuff?
all you need is here:
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=101539.msg794341#msg794341
(can install dual core optimizer from the link)
seem fine to me.

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Im confused by this whole thread!

I installed my new Opty 175, It recognised OK in my system. ACPI MultiProcessor PC with both cores reported under CPU in Device manager, Task Manager showing 2 graphs for both cores, all looks good so far.
Installed the MS Hotfix (never done the PerfEnablePackageIdle registry edit, is this maybe a problem?) then the AMD Optimiser, everything still looking good.

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install Dual Core HotFix V4 --> http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103843.0
reboot.
install Dual Core Optimizer --> http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe
reboot, re-test. (check it from device manager:
This is the order I installed the fixes, as per BOSSMANS instructions.


I cant see the MS hotfix KB896256 in ADD/REMOVE programs??
AMD fix is there though.

My Problem is the same as mremulator's described in this thread http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=101922.0

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No No No, the dual core optimiser and MS Hotfix are NOT compatible.   
I made the mistake of installing the two and Windows XP would reboot at desktop. AMD have confirmed this.

I have the desktop reboot problem, though not all the time. Seems to be when I've been in the BIOS (no changes made) or recently I ran Memtest for 16 passes (no errors) and rebooted to the reboot cycle again.

I was thinking of just doing a re-install but after reading the above thread it looks like I will have the same problem after installing both dual core fixes?

I have a Ghost Image of my upgrade before the Dual Core fixes where installed and was thinking of going back to this to try again to fix the reboot cycle problem, will this be a good Idea?
Also, any ideas as to whay the MS Hotfix doesnt show in ADD/REMOVE programs? (show updates is ticked)

Can someone please give me a clear route to Installing the fixes (if they are applicable), and if the registry edit for the MS Hotfix is needed???

Any help (and Patience) is much appreciated :)
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ok so I have been having a problem... I recently installed my Duel Core 4200 x2 939 and everything was good did a fresh install of Windows XP I installed the windows hotfix and then the AMD dual core optimizer and it seemed to slow me down a little so I re installed windows again and decided not to install the windows hotfix nor the AMD optimizer.....so the problem I am facing is when I power on the computer shows the Platinum start up Picture then goes to next screen but before it gets to the Windows XP splash/loading screen it it Pitch black for 4/5 minutes each time(timed it) .... what is causing this?
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Re: Switching to AMD Dual Core CPU without re-installing Windows
« Reply #78 on: 15-October-07, 23:12:33 »

Guys,

I own a MSI K8N Neo2 Plat bios v1d mobo and currently using a AMD64 FX55 skt939 single core, shortly i will upgrade to a AMD64 FX60 Dual Core.

Question is should i do the fix copy the files and change my boot.ini or could i just swap the cpus and power up and hopefully windows will detect the dual core.

Please reply asap

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Maybe I have missed it, but does this apply to Windows Vista (64bit), or will it detect a dual core when installed when a single core was present when operating system was initially installed?  Currently, it reads in device manager ACPI x64-based PC
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Re: Switching to AMD Dual Core CPU without re-installing Windows
« Reply #80 on: 22-February-09, 13:40:50 »

Hi Guys,
thanks for this thread. Solved my problem.
I'll post my experience in case it's helpful to others.

I had a single core system. Updated the motherboard to MSI K9N Neo V3, CPU to dual core X2 5000+, along with graphics and dram change. Even added a SATA disk (not boot). Basically just kept old boot (IDE) drive, and PSU and case.

Slipstreamed a XP SP3 disk with SATA drivers (although I'm not sure the SATA drivers worked). with nlite.
I didn't want to do a full reinstall. Nothing happened when I first tried to boot, so I went with a refresh install.
Did a refresh install of XP. I think I went wrong went I didn't understand the APIC/MPS stuff in the BIOS and disabled it.

So I got windows up, didn't have to download that much from Windows Update. Thought I was good to go.

I used the CD that came with the MSI mobo to install the rest of the drivers. downloaded the Nvidia graphics card driver. Windows update updated the SATA driver. Formatted the new sata disk with the Western Digital Lifeguard CD. And then everything seemed cool.

But then I noticed that AMD Power Monitor told me only one core was enabled.

I was "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC" and needed to switch to "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".

I suspect it was because I disabled the APIC/MPS selection (neither v1.1 nor v1.4 MPS) before I did the refresh install, so it didn't detect the correct HAL.

In any case, this thread saved me from another install attempt.

While running windows xp, I just did start; run; cmd, and in the dos window typed: (note i had sp3.cab not sp2.cab because of the windows xp sp3 slipstream I did.)

cd c:\windows\system32
ren ntkrnlpa.exe ntkrnlpa.old
ren ntoskrnl.exe ntoskrnl.old
ren hal.dll hal.old                                 /* backup hal too, gona replace it also */
cd "c:\windows\driver cache\i386"
expand sp3.cab -F:halmacpi.dll c:\windows\system32
expand sp3.cab -F:ntkrpamp.exe c:\windows\system32
expand sp3.cab -F:ntkrnlmp.exe c:\windows\system32
cd c:\windows\system32
ren halmacpi.dll hal.dll
ren ntkrpamp.exe ntkrnlpa.exe
ren ntkrnlmp.exe ntoskrnl.exe

Then I rebooted.
It detected new ACPI hw and did some stuff (when I got into Windows). I made sure in the bios the APCI/MPS stuff was enabled before I did the above.

Then it asked me to reboot.

When I did I got the APCI Multiprocessor PC and the Amd Power Monitor shows both cores.
So I'm good. Happy. Thanks.

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Here's an additional note, that I just discovered, in case maybe a refresh install just NEVER gets the right Hal, (don't know if it might be MSI specific?) .....that microsoft has a note about how to force the hal it uses, while doing a refresh install

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299340/
This article describes how to force in a system Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) during an upgrade or an installation of Microsoft Windows XP.


   1. During the Text-mode phase of the Setup program, when you receive the following message across the bottom of the screen, press F5:
      Press F6 if you have to install a third-party SCSI or RAID driver.
      Note If you press F7, the Standard PC HAL loads and the ACPI compliance check is bypassed.
   2. You receive the following list of computer types. A brief description of each HAL is included here:
          * ACPI Multiprocessor PC
            Applies to a multiple-processor ACPI computer.
          * ACPI Uniprocessor PC
            Applies to an ACPI multiple-processor board but with a single processor installed.
          * Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
            Applies to a single processor motherboard with single processor.
          * Compaq SystemPro Multiprocessor or 100% Compatible
            Applies to a Compaq SystemPro computer.
          * MPS Uniprocessor PC
            Applies to non-ACPI computers dual processor motherboard with a single processor installed.
          * MPS Multiprocessor PC
            Applies to non-ACPI computers with a dual processor running.
          * Standard PC
            Applies to any Standard PC, non-ACPI, or non-MPS. The CPU may be a 386, a 486, a Pentium, a Pentium II, or a Pentium III.
          * Standard PC with C-Step i486
          * Other

Note The screen displays only two computer types at a time. To scroll up or down to view the complete list, use the arrow keys.

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Re: Switching to AMD Dual Core CPU without re-installing Windows
« Reply #81 on: 22-February-09, 13:55:09 »

I maybe should have read a little more, but in any case:

I hadn't quite understood how to try changing the driver in Device Manager.
I just looked at it again, and notice I have 4 choices, so maybe I could have switched it manually there.

open device manager
right click on the ACPI thing under Computer, select Update Driver.

say No, not this time for connecting to Windows Update in the next window. Hit Next
Select Install from a list or specific location, Hit Next
Select Don't search. I will choose the driver to install. Hit Next

Then you get the PC choices.
I have
ACPI Multiprocessor PC
Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
MPS Multiprocessor PC
Standard PC

("Show compatible hardware" is checked)

So I don't know if I had all the choices before and could have selected the ACPI Multiprocessor PC.

But whatever. Just reporting this in case it's helpful.
Whatever the reason, I didn't get the right thing auto-magically. The rename stuff in my last post is what got me the right thing, although I guess there may be multiple ways.

« Last Edit: 22-February-09, 13:56:48 by snowmman »
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