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MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« on: 14-November-07, 21:44:54 »

Hello,

I'm here to show my and many others brazilian users sadness about this board. My experiencies are shared and equal of more than 30 users of this board along brazilian forums.

I will explain the bad experiences of this board:

I have a MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1 and updated the bios to the lastest version 1.6 (with USB flash procedure, because the tools of MSI - like Live Update - are nothing more than a FAKE UTILS).

Well, since the original bios (1.1) I see that the board have a titanic Vdrop on CPU voltages and with any Overclocked settings. To make my processor (see my system below) stabilize on 3600mhz, I have to set the vcore to 1.50v because the vdrop makes the voltage drop to 1.46v.

In Bios version 1.6, none vcore settings can stabilize on Orthos or Prime 95 tests even on 1.60v, because the vdrop behaviour are more present.

I must add that when I Power OFF my system, none of bios versions make s the motherboard maintain the settings that I insert give me the error that overclock has failed and forcing me to enter the bios and adjust again my vcore.

It's insane that a board like P35 Platinum have this abnormal behaviour, because his cost is the same of a Asus P5K Deluxe Wi-Fi AP and his stability is much worse than the board of Asus. The vdrop on Asus is much lower and the bios setting are more accurated and sorted.

It's clearly to see that the MSI bios is bugged or the board itself is malfunction, because I've tested the motherboard (and many others) with a waste sort of PSU's, Processors, Memory Chips and Coolers in my laboratory.

Seeing the lack of quality of the MSI software (and the lack of consumer support and OS - Windows Vista x86 and x64) makes me wonder where's the historical quality of MSI boards? I didn't see none quality of a board too expensive and too assorted of problems like that. every Bios releases brings none fix on these problems and I doubt to see any fix.

I must add that my review of this board are too negative.

But, even with all of my angry of this board, if a pure soul can give me the light on how to stabilize the vdrop, maybe I can live with that...

Thanks for attention,

Felipe Belfort Rolim

System tested:

Windows Vista 64 (all updates and lastest drivers)
Msi P35 Platinum Rev.1.1 - bios 1.6 (or original 1.1)
Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0
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Core 2 Duo E6600
4x1Gb Kingston KTC1G DDR2 800Mhz
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2X2GB CORSAIR XMS2 DOMINATOR (TWIN2X2048-8500C5D)
2x80GB Seagate ST380817AS 7200RPM 8MB SATA 1 (RAID 0)
and 2x 150GB Raptor 10000RPM (Raid 0 too)
Powercolor 2900XT 512MB (single)
Extream Superflower Aurora 700W:
- +3.3V: 24A
- +5V: 30A
- +12V1: 18A
- +12V2: 18A
- +12V3: 18A
- +12V3: 20A
- -12V: 0.5A
- +5vsb: 2.2A

Or Enermax Liberty 620W:

+3.3V -> 28A
+5V -> 32A
+12V1 -> 22A
+12V2 -> 22A
-12V -> 0.6A
+5Vsb -> 3A
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #1 on: 15-November-07, 10:54:52 »

Just Ran PCMark05 and it went great.  Note that my Bios 1.4 (with same settings) had better results in all PCMark05 fields.
See the components used in my tag below.

Cell Menu (in Bios):

DOT: disabled
Intel EIST: disabled
FSB: 450
Ratio: 8
Freq: 3600
DRAM:
  CAS 5
  RAS to CAS 5
  RAS Pre 5
  RAS Activate to Pre 15
  TRFC 38
  TWR 12
  TWTR 12
  TRRD 12
  TRTP 12
FSB/MEM Ratio:1:1.2
Freq: 1080
PCIEx4 Speed: Auto
PCIE Freq: 100
Auto Disable DIMM/PCI Freq: enabled
CPU Volt: 1.3750
Mem Volt: 2.20
VTT FSB Volt: 1.375
NB Volt: 1.450
SB I/O Volt: 1.8
SB Core: 1.15
Spread Spectrum: disabled

Hope this helps!   :smile:
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #2 on: 15-November-07, 14:04:01 »

I updated to 1.6 and have had no problems and can say its the best my system has run so far, although I have so far only run my system at stock speeds and within spec. Once you start overclocking you must accept you may be open to abnormal behavior.  I will always want MSI to make thier BIOS stable for users running at default speeds first and then write in overclocking tweaks later.

Just my view
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #3 on: 15-November-07, 14:43:15 »

The Vdrop is all down to the amount of phase circuitry and the quality of that circuitry. It's normal for boards to have an under load voltage drop.
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #4 on: 21-November-07, 11:55:01 »

I appreciate the help, but no one answers my question: Why the Bios 1.6 has more Vdrop than bios 1.1?

All the P35 chipsets have the Vdrop issue, but on Asus P5K deluxe, the Vdrop on my system overclocked are much lower and I can completely eliminated it with a pencil mod.

Remeber that I'm talking about Quad-Core overclock. Dual Core are easier to achieve more megahertz because are less hungry of PSU, thermal resistences and the components of a motherboad.

I think that a board like P35 Platinum are for enthusiast community, and the guides of overclock supplied by MSI proves that. If I want a system at stocks speeds, I buy a cheaper motherboard.

Wel, I think that are no point on argue anymore, it's clearly now that the P35 Platinum are worse than Asus on a overclock scenario, and that's is a shame because the cost is equal than Asus...
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #5 on: 21-November-07, 12:37:27 »

I've done quad-core overclocking on my mainboard and don't experience any Vdrop. I don't experience it because I have a quality PSU and an 8-phase power curcit. If all you come here to baffle about is Asus is better, take it somewhere else.

The P35 Platinum is designed for running at stock speeds, MSI are more about stability rather than overclocking. If you want overclocking buy a DFI board, none of this Asus junk. Any computer ethusiast knows DFI is best for overclocking...
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #6 on: 21-November-07, 20:21:48 »

AaronYuri,

If you really read my post you will see my argument about the comparision between both mainboards. And if you really read my test system You will see that your point about PSU are pointless.

You're talking about stability, so do I. The objective in my topic is all about stability, or the lack on the MSI side. On stocks speeds even a Asrock or Sis motherboards perform well.

The P35 Platinum is clearly a overclock designed motherboard, or the "MSI DOT Express" are for what?  :confused2:

If anybody here complains about a MSI product are because We are MSI customers.

I have another motherboard of another company to make a comparision, and I bet that when MSI develops yours products they are designed to battle with the others companies: in price range or specifications. So there's no secret that P35 Platinum are the counter-part of Asus P5K because of the price and specs.

I'm complaining because with the 1.1 bios the system are more stable than any other new bios releases, but not on the stable parameter that makes a simple overclock perform stable. So, it's easier to MSI engineers release another version bringing more normal vcore flucutuations, but why MSI doesn't care about it? That's the big question.

I'm a reviewer, I participate with some websites (brazilians) in my range, we are not greater than International ones like Anandtech, Xbits labs or Tomshardware, but our reviews can make a difference in a buying choice of our visitors.

And I think a shame that just a bios release can make a big hole between Asus and MSI, but that's not my choice, it's just my experience and my opnion, and I'm a customer too, so my opnion doesn't count?

What about if the MSI engineers read my complains and release a Bios that I expected? Then I will turn from unhappy to happy customer, just like that!

And You say to me to stop "baffle" and buy a DFI board? What's you point? And you respect?

I suggest to you to stop "baffle" against genuine opnions and start to construct a better and respectfull opnions.
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #7 on: 21-November-07, 20:28:52 »

Well it's simple. Use the BIOS that works best for you. Anyone here will tell you that.

This is a User-to-user Forum. You will find no MSI employees here. :yes:

EDIT: Just so you know, MSI don't go for bleeding edge. MSI go for the server and OEM market, where there is more money to be had. Asus, Gigabyte and DFI target the ethusiast market. But as ethusiasts only make up <5% of the market, your opinion won't sway that many.

But as for the rest, it's down to your opinion. I recommend all my customers MSI hardware, because you get quality support (this forum) and a fast & friendly RMA service.

A company is as good as it's support.
« Last Edit: 21-November-07, 20:33:11 by AaronYuri »
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #8 on: 22-November-07, 00:38:47 »

Well it's simple. Use the BIOS that works best for you. Anyone here will tell you that.

Yeah, I didn't think on that...

This is a User-to-user Forum. You will find no MSI employees here. :yes:

It's really a shame, because the domain is from MSI, the forum use official MSI brand, the host is payed by MSI, so any moderator here is representing indirectly the company and MSI is responsible of all the forum content and his representatives.

EDIT: Just so you know, MSI don't go for bleeding edge. MSI go for the server and OEM market, where there is more money to be had. Asus, Gigabyte and DFI target the ethusiast market. But as ethusiasts only make up <5% of the market, your opinion won't sway that many.

Yes, you're right! Like any customer here I'm no one and nobody gives a :censored:  about my opnion and my money wasted on a MSI product because the company only gives a :censored:  on OEM market!

Wonderful tought! God bless you soul and from MSI.

I'll need it because only money it's the important, the company image not. Isn't that right?

But as for the rest, it's down to your opinion. I recommend all my customers MSI hardware, because you get quality support (this forum) and a fast & friendly RMA service.

A company is as good as it's support.

Wonderful support.  :biggthumbsdown:

I imagine if I am a president of a big brazilian PC manufacturer, because the sells of computers in Brazil in that year beats any market in world, and then I see all this bull:censored:  happening from MSI side, then I turn my attention on Gigabyte or Asus (they too act on OEM market and give more attention to your customers).
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #9 on: 22-November-07, 00:51:24 »

It's really a shame, because the domain is from MSI, the forum use official MSI brand, the host is payed by MSI, so any moderator here is representing indirectly the company and MSI is responsible of all the forum content and his representatives.

Nope, MSI doesn't pay for anything. The forum team run everything out of their own pockets and time.

If you do have any issues and would like to take it up with MSI. You can contact them >here<. As you obviously aren't asking for any help on anything.
« Last Edit: 22-November-07, 00:54:08 by AaronYuri »
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #10 on: 22-November-07, 14:18:37 »

what about those "performance" BIOS-es that MSI shares to reviewers and benchers. are those a bit more stable at Vdroop-s?

I have read that to get the perf bios you have to contact directly MSI (by mail I suppose) to get it. right?
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #11 on: 22-November-07, 14:27:32 »

You can check this topic, use anythink from there at own risk.
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=110887.msg838833#new

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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #12 on: 22-November-07, 17:34:09 »

You can check this topic, use anythink from there at own risk.
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=110887.msg838833#new


Really thanks Bosskiller, now I have some material to play with.

If any bios can eliminate my problem I'll post here.
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Re: MSI P35 Platinum Rev.1.1
« Reply #13 on: 24-November-07, 13:44:09 »

No hope. The best bios yet is the original 1.1 that allow me overclock with much less vcore and vdrop, but sometimes the coldboot issue occurs and the bios looses all the setting and I need to enter the bios and manually put again.

 :undecided:
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