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K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« on: 24-October-08, 15:04:30 »

Hi,

I have a problem (I think ...) with my mobo MS-6702 (K8T Neo-FIS2R). I have seen in the forum some messages about the bios update, etc but I have to addmitt that I have not arrived to a clear conclusion.

I have found in the MSI web that this mobo has several version of the BIOS, all of them trying to solve some stuff with the cool'n'quiet feature and the Sempron CPU.

Adding more noise to the problem, I'm one of that kind of strange people that use GNU/Linux, and simple don't have a MsWindows to test. So, no corecenter, no windows utilities, etc.

In my mobo, using the BIOS version 2.2, I can boot with the cool'n'quiet enable, but the bios doesn't detect the speed of the fans (always 0rpm) and the system is unstable.

With the 7.1 version, BIOS see and show a correct (feasible value) but the system simple, doesn't boot. I'm using a kernel 2.6.26 (Debian Lenny).

The situation here is that the Linux people says that the BIOS is buggy and the manufacturer says that they _only_ support MS. So, as always, the user lost ...

So, my questions are:
1) why this kind of mess of version numbers of the bios?
2) some one of you have been able to run cool'n'quiet in a Linux and which parameters?

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #1 on: 24-October-08, 15:25:47 »

It is true that there's a lot of confusion regarding this board/cpu and the right BIOS version.

do note that the 2.x bioses are often not the right ones to go with, onless you have a newer cpu (not Sempron).
What cpu is installed? (Clawhammer, Newcastle)?
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #2 on: 24-October-08, 16:37:21 »

It is true that there's a lot of confusion regarding this board/cpu and the right BIOS version.

do note that the 2.x bioses are often not the right ones to go with, onless you have a newer cpu (not Sempron).
What cpu is installed? (Clawhammer, Newcastle)?

I do not know the name. It's a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ at 2200.067 MHz

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #3 on: 24-October-08, 16:38:05 »

Run CPU-Z and look there ==> http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #4 on: 24-October-08, 16:44:35 »

Run CPU-Z and look there ==> http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

I don't use windows ...

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Family: 15 Model: 12 Stepping: 0
CPU Model : Athlon 64/Mobile Athlon 64/Sempron/Mobile Sempron/Mobile Athlon XP-M (DH-CG)
Processor name string: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #5 on: 24-October-08, 16:47:32 »

Fall back to 1.9 bios. I think you'll be fine then.
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* MSI P55-GD85, bios 1.3
* Intel Core i7 860 (stock @ 2.8GHz)
* 2x 2048MB TakeMS @ 1333MHz (8-8-8-24, 1T)
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #6 on: 24-October-08, 16:51:09 »

Fall back to 1.9 bios. I think you'll be fine then.

Sorry, but with =<2.2 (1.9 also) I don't the values rpm of the fans. With 7.1 yes. By now, the best results that I have obtained have been with 7.1 and cool'n'quiet disabled. But, I would like cool'n'quiet ..
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #7 on: 29-October-08, 06:04:31 »

a quick search found this in linux sofpedia http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/cpuinfo-29126.shtml

 
by clicking on the utilities header then searching on CPU several possibilities popped up- which will fit the bill is up to you- I am opposite you

I don;t run Linux so i don't know which would work best with Debian.

barring that you would need to pull the heat sink wipe the goop and write down the numbers of the processer -then search the net for the numbers= usually a quick search will find you a link to the crossover table giving you model number etc.

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #8 on: 29-October-08, 17:19:54 »

a quick search found this in linux sofpedia http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Hardware/cpuinfo-29126.shtml

 
by clicking on the utilities header then searching on CPU several possibilities popped up- which will fit the bill is up to you- I am opposite you

I don;t run Linux so i don't know which would work best with Debian.

barring that you would need to pull the heat sink wipe the goop and write down the numbers of the processer -then search the net for the numbers= usually a quick search will find you a link to the crossover table giving you model number etc.

Thanks for the link. More or less it gives the same info that cat /proc/cpuinfo

By now, I think that is a bad combination betwend the bios mobo and the kernel. And probably both are doing a something wrong.

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #9 on: 29-October-08, 17:43:37 »

What fans do you have? Cool'nQuiet is mostly aimed at controlling the processor performance.

(Semprons and performance in the same sentence...)
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #10 on: 29-October-08, 18:31:15 »

What fans do you have? Cool'nQuiet is mostly aimed at controlling the processor performance.

(Semprons and performance in the same sentence...)
I have two fans: one black and another with metal color ;-)

No seriously, I have one Zalman low noise for the cpu (don't remember the model) and another low noise for the case. The main problem is that the cpu is a full capacity when it isn't necessary, so it's a bit heat. The tip should be to find the correct kernel parameters and make the cool'n'quiet work.

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #11 on: 30-October-08, 14:18:22 »

Sensors have been activated? No Zalman Fan-mate affecting things?
But like I said, the Cooln'quiet is mostly for the processor, and when the processor gets cooler fans slow down as a secondary effect.
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #12 on: 30-October-08, 17:27:51 »

Sensors have been activated? No Zalman Fan-mate affecting things?
But like I said, the Cooln'quiet is mostly for the processor, and when the processor gets cooler fans slow down as a secondary effect.

well, it's not exactly. If you don't change the cpu clock, you are generating heat. Also, the cool'n'quiet I think that control the fan speed to accordly refrigerate the cpu.

Sensors are active, because I can read the speed, but maybe it could be done better.

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #15 on: 31-October-08, 00:44:52 »

Neither does BIOS, (but fairly close). The fan control resides in BIOS. I'm not perfectly sure it is SmartFan, but something like that. You can test it yourself, I believe, even if Linuxian: In BIOS load SmartFan or similar and lower the processor speed. Fans should/will spin down as a result of lower temp. Notice in the link that fan control isn't explicitely(?) mentioned. ...Neither is Sempron, if I remember correctly.  :undecided: 
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #16 on: 31-October-08, 17:23:35 »

Neither does BIOS, (but fairly close). The fan control resides in BIOS. I'm not perfectly sure it is SmartFan, but something like that.

I think thatthat part is the corecell technology in this case by MSI

You can test it yourself, I believe, even if Linuxian: In BIOS load SmartFan or similar and lower the processor speed. Fans should/will spin down as a result of lower temp. Notice in the link that fan control isn't explicitely(?) mentioned. ...Neither is Sempron, if I remember correctly.  :undecided: 

It's a combination betwend BIOS parameters and kernel functions, and all that to work together. With the 7.1 version of the BIOS, I can read the fan speeds, not like the other version.

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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #17 on: 01-November-08, 00:31:04 »

Sempron is not among the processors supporting Coolnquiet. See my previous link and your manual p1-6.
Coolnquiet is in BIOS, p3-24 in your manual. It could well be through the SMBus thing values are monitored. Maybe by the way of CoreCell chip to get deeper control and a Windows screen on things.
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Re: K8T Neo-FIS2R (MS-6702)
« Reply #18 on: 03-November-08, 13:19:42 »

Sempron is not among the processors supporting Coolnquiet. See my previous link and your manual p1-6.
Coolnquiet is in BIOS, p3-24 in your manual. It could well be through the SMBus thing values are monitored. Maybe by the way of CoreCell chip to get deeper control and a Windows screen on things.

Hi,

in [1], you could see that this mobo, in the last version of the BIOS has:
Description: Support Cool & Quiet function with Sempron CPU Reversion D0.

In the manual, at least the one that I have, I have not been any message about cool'n'quiet and sempron. I begin to think that it's a problem with the kernel...

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[1] http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=565
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