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K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« on: 06-November-10, 16:28:57 »

Hi all  :biggthumbsup:

I am the proud owner of the PC configuration below, and this morning 'my faithful mate' refused to boot  :undecided: .

It is running but the black screen doesn't go any further. Symptoms:

- Lights on/off and HDD are ON
- HDD are spinning
- Graphic card fan spinning
- All the motherboard fans work
- All the Power Supply fans are on
- The D-Bracket 2 device has all four LEDS hang on red ['Processor is damaged or not installed properly', the User's Guide says]

The question is: I have the D-Bracket 2 diagnostic, but need to know your opinion about the possibility of a failure on the cable that gives power to the motherboard's JPWR2 connector, used to provide power to the CPU.


What do you think, mates?  :worship:

Many thanks in advance, as always.

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #1 on: 06-November-10, 17:30:22 »

do >>Clear CMOS Guide<< with power cord removed
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #2 on: 06-November-10, 19:30:18 »

Did it happen all of a sudden, from one day to the next?
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #3 on: 07-November-10, 04:18:36 »

Did it happen all of a sudden, from one day to the next?

Hi Svet, hi Fredrik,  :yes: yes it was after breakfast, the PC having spent the whole night turned off. No messing inside the box, no nothing for ages. Simply, a bad awakening, I guess.  ;D .

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #4 on: 07-November-10, 05:13:11 »

Reseat the CPU and redo the powercables to the motherboard.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #5 on: 07-November-10, 05:13:27 »

Have you done what i've told you?
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #6 on: 07-November-10, 10:08:37 »

Have you done what i've told you?

Hi Svet, not yet, I am not at home at present. I'll report the result of resetting CMOS in about an hour. Crossing fingers here you're right  :biggthumbsup:
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #7 on: 07-November-10, 13:09:25 »

Hi all,

well, no luck so far. Just one HDD connected [the one with the S.O.], no D-Bracket 2 or loudspeakers or mouse or ADSL plugged.

Just one comment: the graphics card fan lags 3-4 seconds to start spinning after the power is turned on.

Floor open  :yes: !

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P.S.: Plugged the D-Bracket 2 just for curiosity and still 4 red LEDs.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #8 on: 07-November-10, 13:14:47 »

Reseat the CPU and redo the powercables to the motherboard.

And?
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #9 on: 07-November-10, 13:22:59 »

And?

OK Bas. Let's enter this 2nd stage tomorrow - the first was the easiest one - as I have no Artic Silver stuff left. I'll keep you informed.

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #10 on: 07-November-10, 13:29:39 »

You do not need new stuff, these cpu's have heatspreaders.
You can take if off and remount it if there is grease left.
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« Reply #11 on: 07-November-10, 13:37:26 »

You do not need new stuff, these cpu's have heatspreaders.
You can take if off and remount it if there is grease left.

OK then. No other excuse left  :biggthumbsup:  . There I go.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #12 on: 07-November-10, 19:17:58 »

I'm a born pessimist, but I take it with a smile. My sort of fear is there was some kind of power failure/surge/construction work or alike in your house or neighbourhood. Not all systems can recover from such a blow.
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« Reply #13 on: 08-November-10, 09:06:34 »

I'm a born pessimist, but I take it with a smile. My sort of fear is there was some kind of power failure/surge/construction work or alike in your house or neighbourhood. Not all systems can recover from such a blow.

But it was working the night before as usual. And I turned it off normally. It was when trying to turn it on next morning that things twisted to worst. So any power failure in between should have affected it, no?.

Bas, reseated the CPU to no avail  :nooo:

And getting 939 socket cpus these days is only possible on eBay. Any advice about the cpu replacement, you experts?  :worship:

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« Reply #14 on: 08-November-10, 09:10:32 »

You don't notice an electrical surge or drop, that is my point. It could have happened while you were hugging the pillow.  :smile:
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« Reply #15 on: 08-November-10, 09:12:53 »

You don't notice an electrical surge or drop, that is my point. It could have happened while you were hugging the pillow.  :smile:

Ooops!  :undecided:
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« Reply #16 on: 08-November-10, 09:20:44 »

Well, I don't know for certain this is the issue, only my pessimistic mind.

A sort of good thing is, you can't connect to anything near by. Like, you don't live close to Three Mile Island or anything? Grandma didn't lend you her old Hoover? Your neighbour don't steal power from your house el. grid? etc.  :smile:
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« Reply #17 on: 08-November-10, 09:29:18 »

No, I am quite boring on that side  :-)) . I mean, living in a flat, no stealing neighbour's Wi-Fi or whatever, everything plugged the right way and so on. Nothing really exciting, so perhaps, somebody's has decided to change that state of things blowing my cpu up.  X-((   ;D

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #18 on: 08-November-10, 09:52:43 »

Well take everything out of the case and test with minimal setting: PSU / CPU+cooler / 1 memory stick / videocard
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #19 on: 08-November-10, 13:16:19 »

Well take everything out of the case and test with minimal setting: PSU / CPU+cooler / 1 memory stick / videocard

Followed your instructions: 1x1024 Mb RAM in the proper slot, videocard, no HDDs, no keyboard, no mouse, being display the only peripheral.

But .... no luck.  8-))

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #20 on: 08-November-10, 13:35:34 »

Only one thing left, replacing parts to find the guilty one.

And test all parts in another machine so you can narrow it down a bit.
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« Reply #21 on: 08-November-10, 14:29:06 »

Only one thing left, replacing parts to find the guilty one.

And test all parts in another machine so you can narrow it down a bit.


It's clear what you say, but let me confirm it: you leave the door open to a guilty other than the CPU, isn't it?.

I have changed the RAM stick for the other one left, and nothing new. A defective videocard can get the PC blocked in the black screen at the very beginning of booting? I mean, it is not only that the video signal doesn't reach the display, but I don't hear my PC's typical booting 'sequence of noises' any longer since yesterday. A defective power supply not sending enough power to the motherboard?.

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #22 on: 08-November-10, 14:32:38 »

As already stated, you won't know for sure what's broken, untill you start swapping in known good working parts.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #23 on: 08-November-10, 14:36:57 »

OK, thanks. Roger here.  8-))

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #24 on: 12-November-10, 14:16:19 »

Hi, again  :smile:

I have changed the power supply and the processor and when turn it on a very high pitch tone/beep is heard. Any clue of what is it due to?

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« Reply #25 on: 12-November-10, 18:34:54 »

It is hard to say of course. Many a time we have come to the conclusion it is a VRM, a thing that reglates what power components get when on or attached to the motherboard.

Again, this is the pessimistic side of me: A power surge killed your old PSU and took the VRM/motherboard with it. But I don't know. Best if you do a visual of the motherboard to see if you can locate the sound.

What was the new PSU you got?
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« Reply #26 on: 13-November-10, 07:35:02 »

Hi Fredrik,

the same I've been using for 5 years now,  a brand new 700 W Seasonic M12, lent by a good friend of mine. So I pluged it to the PC right out of the box.

The new CPU is an AMD Athlon 64 3200, from the same friend. The only component that keeps the same is the video card.  :undecided:

Well, this is all I can tell you about this sad event, my friend.  :worship:

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« Reply #27 on: 13-November-10, 11:53:29 »

The beep, that slowly fades away when I turn off the power supply, comes from the videocard area.  :confused2:

But it didn't beep at all before  :confused2:  Now, I am truly puzzled   X-(( .

In any case, can a defective graphic card block the booting process at the very beginning of it?.

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« Reply #28 on: 13-November-10, 12:22:15 »

Yes it can.
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« Reply #29 on: 13-November-10, 12:43:12 »

I have just turned the PC on, got the beep, unplugged the graphic card PCI-e power supply cord on it and the beep was still there.

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« Reply #30 on: 13-November-10, 13:39:32 »

Hi,

I had an X600 with the same problem it turns on HDD is spinning... It is most likely the CPU since when I took it to an MSI reseller they told me the CPU is dead. But since it was an X600 processor couldn't be changed. (only by re-flowing).

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« Reply #31 on: 13-November-10, 13:52:52 »

Throughout all these steps I have always used an anti-static wrist bracelet connected to a steel radiator, perfectly connected to ground.  :hypocrite:

Expertprogrammer, the CPU has already been substituted by a working one, certified.

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #32 on: 13-November-10, 14:11:06 »

Hi again,

My worst fear is the motherboard has been damaged, did you hit a screwdriver or something that could damage the mainboard. Also note I was using an anti-static wrist... and it was connected to proper groundings.

Can you try a different mainboard but use same parts like PSU... only change the mainboard.

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« Reply #33 on: 13-November-10, 14:32:06 »

I wish I had such option, but unfortunately I'm afraid in my group of friends and mates won't find any very pleased upon my request for their mobos.   :yes:

I'd rather go for a new component - mobo, PSU or videocard, to substitute the failing one - as similar as possible to the original in my PC, to save as much cash as possible. I'll soon have to face a huge upgrade, but not now but in 6 months or so.

So first, I have to find out were is the trouble.

Thanks for your comments.

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #34 on: 13-November-10, 15:04:35 »

Hi,

The most thing I think that is the problem is either the motherboard or the processor.

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #35 on: 14-November-10, 12:13:15 »

I only read "high pitched noise", and missed the part about beeping, sorry. Beeping is almost always memory related. Graphics card got memory, too. But a single beep is like it should be.  :undecided:
PSU and graphics card is what is hit the worst by a power surge, if that is what happened. Next follows memory and motherboard. Try reseating the RAM modules and the graphics card.
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« Reply #36 on: 15-November-10, 04:47:16 »

I only read "high pitched noise", and missed the part about beeping, sorry. Beeping is almost always memory related. Graphics card got memory, too. But a single beep is like it should be.  :undecided:
PSU and graphics card is what is hit the worst by a power surge, if that is what happened. Next follows memory and motherboard. Try reseating the RAM modules and the graphics card.

Yes Fredrik, it's like just one long 'beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep' that doesn't end until I turn off the PSU (this case lacks reset button). Well, I am on the mobo, the PSU, one mem stick, the video card, the display but no mouse or keyboard or HDD even. I have changed processor and PSU, so the culprit/s have to be among the mem sticks-graphic card-mobo's team. I'll follow this path to find out: graphic card, mem stick and mobo. Wish me luck  :biggthumbsup:

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #37 on: 15-November-10, 06:40:24 »

A very long continues beep sounds a lot like motherboard, else it wouldn't be continues there have to be intervals.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #38 on: 15-November-10, 16:11:20 »

A very long continues beep sounds a lot like motherboard, else it wouldn't be continues there have to be intervals.

The video card can't beep like that? It is like a mobo but a bit smaller, isn't it?  :noidea: 

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #39 on: 15-November-10, 16:41:28 »

Bas agreed with me ... I said to you I had a problem with a laptop but on mine no beep.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #40 on: 24-November-10, 11:18:47 »

I have changed the graphic card, finally, for a Zotac GeForce 8400 GS and the beep is gone but the PC still won't boot.

I am testing the crate with the mobo, one 1 GB RAM stick, the display, the PSU & the graphic card.

No hard disk drives,
No DVD/CD reader/burner &
No USB devices (trackball & keyboard).

Am I, perhaps, getting it too naked to boot properly?  :bonk:

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #41 on: 24-November-10, 12:20:59 »

To me 'boot', is when Windows or other takes over the control. Since Windows is on a hard disk, that wont happen without it. POST the system should do anyway, thereby reaching the first BIOS screen and complain there is no "System Disk".
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #42 on: 24-November-10, 12:26:24 »

As soon as a boot-device is activated we talk about boot.
When you see BIOS messages we talk about post, as soon as you see anything, that is post.
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #43 on: 24-November-10, 15:58:16 »

Well, then, gentlemen, my PC won't post  :biggthumbsup: [the screen remains black and led light on the display turns yellow from blue after a while] and I *sigh* guess my mobo is KAPUTT, isn´t it?  :undecided:

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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #44 on: 24-November-10, 19:43:51 »

Yes, but it'll magically start working again once you bought and installed the new one, I imagine.  ;-))

I haven't read up on the topic, are there parts you know you can move over to a new system?
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Re: K8N Diamond Plus PC won't boot
« Reply #45 on: 25-November-10, 06:34:11 »

Yes, but it'll magically start working again once you bought and installed the new one, I imagine.  ;-))

I haven't read up on the topic, are there parts you know you can move over to a new system?

Thanks for your proactive comment Fredrik. And yes, I changed the PSU, CPU and graphic card to find the culprit. None of them seem to fail, so using a very sophisticated deductive procedure I get to the bottom of the issue mentioned above: the mobo has passed away. Finito. Se acabó. Kapput. C'est fini.  :hat tip:

I am getting a brand new 939 socket mobo from ASRock, the 939 A785GMH 128M, so I can still use the working components - the rest of them all but the mobo, naturally - until the time to upgrade arrives next year (the new 1C sim Storm of War: The Battle of Britain will impose the minimum requirements).


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