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880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« on: 16-November-10, 18:15:10 »

Hi,

880GMA-E45 with a Phenom II X2 555.
I've unlock the Phenom using auto features of this motherboard (4cores). I've installed Win7 x64 without any problem.
Then, I've updated the bios to the latest v17.7.
Now, when I press start, the computer shuts down within few seconds. I do that 3 to 4 times then it starts normally and works correctly. If I set only two core (I keep the unlock feature on). Same problem
If I disable the unlock feature, it starts on the first try.

Probably related to the bios update but not 100% sure (with the original bios I've not made a lot of start up ... not sure that it was starting up correctly with unlock core on)

Any idea?

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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #1 on: 16-November-10, 20:46:30 »

Unlocking locked cores can be the cause of many issues. The cores weren't locked for nothing. If AMD was able to sell that CPU as a quad, they most certainly would. If its working normal, with the two cores that it was sold as, then be contempt and use it as such. There is no guarantee from any MB manufacturer that the unlocking technology will unlock unusable cores. If you need a quad that works, then you will probably need to buy one if this one does not play along.
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #2 on: 16-November-10, 22:58:44 »

Sounds like either a PSU problem, or that memory would like a little higher voltage.
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #3 on: 17-November-10, 08:53:00 »

Unlocking locked cores can be the cause [...]
I've read something like that somewhere on the manual ...
I know that overclocking or unlocking may or may not work and there's no guarantee on that
I'm just asking why unlocking seems working with the original bios and with strange effects with the latest.

(PS: for my own computer, I've taken a Phenom II X4 to be sure to have 4 cores)
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #4 on: 17-November-10, 08:58:17 »

Sounds like either a PSU problem, or that memory would like a little higher voltage.
I don't think that it's a faulty psu.
Tested memory voltage .. no change

However, I found something interesting. If I set to 1 the OC retry count, then I've to start the computer 2 times. Set OC retry to  3 ... 4 start needed. Set the OC retry to 5 and it's 6 start
So the problem is related to the option OC retry count (overclocking profile).
When unlocking, I think the mb is doing some OC tests ... and do that the number of OC Retry Count is set up to in the bios. In my situation, the phenom is not overclocked but unlocked... trying to find the way to bypass that

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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #5 on: 17-November-10, 10:35:09 »

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That is Intel memory.
3 sticks on AMD is not a good idea.
Either use 2 or 4, but not 3.
Also because it is Intel memory, it can have wrong timings for AMD.
And please stop the OC stuff until the problem is solved, as OC on top is seeking problems.
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #6 on: 17-November-10, 10:51:12 »

That is Intel memory.
3 sticks on AMD is not a good idea.
Either use 2 or 4, but not 3.
Also because it is Intel memory, it can have wrong timings for AMD.
And please stop the OC stuff until the problem is solved, as OC on top is seeking problems.
(thanks for your response)
Already tried with two (and one) memory stick.
The Phenom is not overclocked and runs at its normal frequency. There's no OC set up in the bios (OC Genie Lite disabled, no manual settings)
To be short: since the new bios when I use the unlock feature (nothing else changed), I have to press start several times (OC Retry Count +1)
I don't think the problem is coming from a faulty core  (even if I manually enable one, two or three cores with unlock ON .. same problem)
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #7 on: 17-November-10, 15:05:38 »

Sounds like either a PSU problem, or that memory would like a little higher voltage.
What have you tried?

The things you mention, "OC retry count, then I've to start the computer 2 times. Set OC retry to  3 ... 4 start needed. Set the OC retry to 5 and it's 6 start" may increase the memory voltage.

Your PSU isn't as modern as you think it is.  :smile: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/151/1/
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #8 on: 17-November-10, 15:27:54 »

No other option then to lock the CPU again.
Or get a CPU with working hidden cores, but that is always a gamble.
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #9 on: 18-November-10, 09:03:00 »

Sounds like either a PSU problem, or that memory would like a little higher voltage.
What have you tried?
Tried to increase voltage .. no success
The PSU from the config here is an Antec 380W 80Plus Bronze EA-380D.
The PSU in my signature is from my own config. which has nothing to do with the one related above.
My fault ... my config is close to the one with the problem related here :)
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #10 on: 18-November-10, 09:28:28 »

No other option then to lock the CPU again.
Or get a CPU with working hidden cores, but that is always a gamble.
I will try others tests with another mb and cpu (I've the same models in my shop).
I will try also to get a Phenom II X4 and set unlock in the bios (if possible)... if there's boot problem with the X4 then the problem is not the cpu

Anyway thanks all for your help
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #11 on: 18-November-10, 16:38:36 »

Tested with new mb + cpu (same models) and memory (Kingston KVR1333D3N9/2G) and psu (Antec earthwatt 500w)
No boot problems with initial bios (17.3)
Boot problems with new bios (17.7)
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Re: 880GMA-E45 - Need to press start several times
« Reply #12 on: 18-November-10, 16:45:15 »

So go back to the BIOS that works.
New BIOS isn't always better BIOS.
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