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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #200 on: 22-January-11, 01:39:05 »

i got a question what is the me bios upgrade for??
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #201 on: 22-January-11, 01:43:51 »

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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #202 on: 22-January-11, 06:34:18 »

Sent board back for exchange then

So nicely said  :rolleyes:

In fact early adopters are beta-testers .. we all know that.. and of course there is nothing you can do about that.

I didn't get lucky this time, and a few others didn't either. I just sincerely hope for MSI that this is a minor issue that will only affect few motherboards = customers.

But for me it's just a disappointing experience.

thanks for trying to help anyway.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #203 on: 22-January-11, 10:25:33 »

Can anyone simply what does the Intel Management engine do?
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #204 on: 22-January-11, 11:50:01 »

So nicely said  :rolleyes:

In fact early adopters are beta-testers .. we all know that.. and of course there is nothing you can do about that.

I didn't get lucky this time, and a few others didn't either. I just sincerely hope for MSI that this is a minor issue that will only affect few motherboards = customers.

But for me it's just a disappointing experience.

thanks for trying to help anyway.

Nicely said also from your part and totally agree..... just bad luck that's why i insist to get the same board again when the RMA has been finished (hopefull receive the new board coming week).

I must say rezzpect for Svet and HU16E for being able to guide us through these hard times and supply us with all help they can.....  :biggthumbsup:

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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #205 on: 22-January-11, 12:42:23 »





Can someone please explain to me why I need :censored: corporate staff* in my HOME computer? Does intel try to spy on me through the internet or what?

I've always thought that the corporations wanted to have mobos that "just" work. That's why intel has been offering them overpriced products. But I cannot really understand what this is suppose to do in an enthusiast class product?!

I'm really considering to go for AMD with my next rig. They're offering a lot more bang for the money and aren't that bad in the every day computing.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #206 on: 22-January-11, 12:58:46 »

Can someone please explain to me why I need :censored: corporate staff* in my HOME computer?

Lollll  ;D  ;D
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #207 on: 22-January-11, 13:23:36 »

Hi

I'm in the same situation as boobeer:

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Just like him, I tried many bios update above 1.4 and none of them allow me to save my settings: they all freeze when trying to save&exit.

Also: "The ME update doesn't work for me. I always have an error code :

Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver"

I also get that error with the MSI tool (although the message only stays on screen for half a second before i get the picture with the mouse telling me everything went fine...

Again the same situation: "Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck."


I m waiting for MSI to react, rapidely would be nice!



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I also get that error with the MSI tool (although the message only stays on screen for half a second before i get the picture with the mouse telling me everything went fine...

Again the same situation: "Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck."


You can thanks to MSI about this one marked with red...
But i also forgot to remove those :bonk: MSI's things[marked with red below] from custom images
So if ME error occur it will be almost impossible to be seen like you said.


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{ bla bla bla
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ECHO.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #208 on: 22-January-11, 15:02:58 »

I've been following this thread, waiting for my P67A-GD65 to arrive.  Got the board last night, bios is 1.5 (sticker on the board says 1.4 unless I'm reading it wrong).  I decided not to update the bios to start off.  I made several changes, saved, and began my OS install (Win 7, x64).  Every time the starting windows logo appeared, the whole system would lock up.  I tried adjusting a few simple bios settings, each time I had no issue saving and exiting.  Finally when nothing was working, I cleared the CMOS, powered back on and went into the bios (screen confirmed bios was cleared).  I tried to load the optimized defaults and the dreaded lock up on save bug appeared.  A quick reset and I ignored the bios this time, windows loaded fine, fully patched, no issues at all.  So here I am now, OS is working well, PC is stable but I can't make any adjustments to the bios without it locking up when I hit save and exit.  Is there any chance that it's not the flashing of the bios causing this problem but the clearing of the CMOS?  This might explain why it's only affecting a few people.  I think when most people do a bios update they don't clear the CMOS (I know I never did as I didn't know any better).
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« Reply #209 on: 22-January-11, 15:10:26 »

I've been following this thread, waiting for my P67A-GD65 to arrive.  Got the board last night, bios is 1.5 (sticker on the board says 1.4 unless I'm reading it wrong).  I decided not to update the bios to start off.  I made several changes, saved, and began my OS install (Win 7, x64).  Every time the starting windows logo appeared, the whole system would lock up.  I tried adjusting a few simple bios settings, each time I had no issue saving and exiting.  Finally when nothing was working, I cleared the CMOS, powered back on and went into the bios (screen confirmed bios was cleared).  I tried to load the optimized defaults and the dreaded lock up on save bug appeared.  A quick reset and I ignored the bios this time, windows loaded fine, fully patched, no issues at all.  So here I am now, OS is working well, PC is stable but I can't make any adjustments to the bios without it locking up when I hit save and exit.  Is there any chance that it's not the flashing of the bios causing this problem but the clearing of the CMOS?  This might explain why it's only affecting a few people.  I think when most people do a bios update they don't clear the CMOS (I know I never did as I didn't know any better).

Ye, thats interesting... I had exactly the same problem everthing worked fine until i hit the clear CMOS then only the 1.4 bios was able to save settings, did u tried downgrade to 1.4?
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #210 on: 22-January-11, 15:18:36 »

I'm not sure I can downgrade with my video card.  I have a 6870 and I noticed the update notes for 1.5 show added support for 6850/6870 cards.  So I don't know if that means I'll have other issues with 1.4 and my video card.
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« Reply #211 on: 22-January-11, 15:30:57 »

I'm not sure I can downgrade with my video card.  I have a 6870 and I noticed the update notes for 1.5 show added support for 6850/6870 cards.
Ouch, if 6870 is your only available GPU then u shouldnt downgrade. -> it would be difficult to upgrade bios without graphical output  :undecided:
In my case i installed OS with AHCI mode on SATA controler. I cant use newer bioses cos default mode is IDE -> OS woudnt boot up.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #212 on: 22-January-11, 16:09:38 »

Please help in installing, ME package of applications MSIHQ Tools Bootable USB, please also specify where you can download the program to set the USB Flash Drive
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« Reply #213 on: 22-January-11, 16:14:05 »

Please help in installing, ME package of applications MSIHQ Tools Bootable USB, please also specify where you can download the program to set the USB Flash Drive

See here for guide: >> MSI HQ Forum USB flasher Guide<<
Download location: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=108079.0
1.70 + ME1164 for MSIHQ Tool: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
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« Reply #214 on: 22-January-11, 16:32:55 »

I've tried to use the tool to flash my bios but it I can't get my system to boot from my USB thumb drive.  I installed the USB flasher tool (1.19e), ran the tool using your excellent instructions and pointed it to the URL.  It took a moment while it downloaded, several screens flashed by, all saying success.  Finally it said it was done and ready.  I rebooted, hit F11, got the boot menu, first I picked "sandisk" (which is my USB flash drive that was used for the tool) and it went right past it and into windows.  I tried again, this time hit F11 and picked UEFI sandisk but same thing, didn't boot to it and went right into Windows.  There's 27 items on my USB drive (after showing hidden files and OS protected files).  It appears everything is there, I see things like command.com and config.sys, etc.  Any ideas why this isnt working?
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #215 on: 22-January-11, 16:33:30 »

Is there any chance that it's not the flashing of the bios causing this problem but the clearing of the CMOS? 

I did not try clearing yet... i've got the freezing issue though  :bonk:
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« Reply #216 on: 22-January-11, 16:35:07 »

I've tried to use the tool to flash my bios but it I can't get my system to boot from my USB thumb drive.  I installed the USB flasher tool (1.19e), ran the tool using your excellent instructions and pointed it to the URL.  It took a moment while it downloaded, several screens flashed by, all saying success.  Finally it said it was done and ready.  I rebooted, hit F11, got the boot menu, first I picked "sandisk" (which is my USB flash drive that was used for the tool) and it went right past it and into windows.  I tried again, this time hit F11 and picked UEFI sandisk but same thing, didn't boot to it and went right into Windows.  There's 27 items on my USB drive (after showing hidden files and OS protected files).  It appears everything is there, I see things like command.com and config.sys, etc.  Any ideas why this isnt working?

Your USB key need adjustment,
Use "Fix My USB" Tool's option 1st to correct USB key geometry,
then repeat the same steps and try again.

Also for those USB keys who support "U3 Smart", this "feature" must be removed before proceed.
Refer to followed link: http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm
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« Reply #217 on: 22-January-11, 16:58:25 »

My apologies for missing that in the instructions, it worked fine after the fix.  I flashed my bios to 1.7 but the save freeze is still present.  Everything was fine until I hit that darn clear CMOS button (not that I had a choice as I couldn't get the system to boot).
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« Reply #218 on: 22-January-11, 17:18:03 »

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My apologies for missing that in the instructions, it worked fine after the fix.  I flashed my bios to 1.7

Well done.

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Everything was fine until I hit that darn clear CMOS button (not that I had a choice as I couldn't get the system to boot).

What if you use the jumper instead?
And have you removed the power cord from the PSU 1st,
before press the button? [else you're done nothing]


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Clear CMOS Jumper: JBAT1
There is a CMOS RAM on board with an external battery power supply to preserve the
system configuration data. With the CMOS RAM, the system can automatically boot OS
every time it is turned on. If you want to clear the system configuration, set the jumper
to clear data.
Important
You can clear CMOS by shorting 2-3 pin while the system  is off. Then return to 1-
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« Reply #219 on: 22-January-11, 17:26:14 »

Yes, I powered off the PC and physically pulled the power cord from the PSU.  I used the clear CMOS jumper first as I forgot about the button on the back panel (which I've used since).  When I powered the system back on the, I got the message saying my CMOS was cleared and I should go into the bios.  From that point on, I could no longer save and exit from the bios without a lockup.
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« Reply #220 on: 22-January-11, 17:33:56 »

i see, well flash back to bios that works fine for you,
until wait for further solution
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« Reply #221 on: 22-January-11, 17:38:30 »

I did not try clearing yet... i've got the freezing issue though  :bonk:
Well, maybe someone before u, used clear CMOS :P
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« Reply #222 on: 22-January-11, 17:39:19 »

Sadly, I don't think I can.  Assuming 1.40 allows me to save (is this 100% confirmed, including people like me that had the board shipped with 1.50?), according to the bios notes on the MSI website, 1.50 added support for 6870 video cards.  I have a 6870 video card so I have no idea what will happen if I flash to version before they added that support?
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« Reply #223 on: 22-January-11, 17:41:56 »

Sadly, I don't think I can.  Assuming 1.40 allows me to save (is this 100% confirmed, including people like me that had the board shipped with 1.50?), according to the bios notes on the MSI website, 1.50 added support for 6870 video cards.  I have a 6870 video card so I have no idea what will happen if I flash to version before they added that support?

Well, kept in that way then,
or borrow other VGA that can work OK with 140
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #224 on: 22-January-11, 21:19:41 »

Sadly, I don't think I can.
This board has dual BIOS chips. See what is on the backup chip, it may be 1.5, or might even be 1.4.
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« Reply #225 on: 22-January-11, 21:26:19 »

How would I do that?  Can you walk me though it and I'll check it out.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #226 on: 22-January-11, 21:57:32 »

Is the ME update included in the 1.7 bios?  Is it only designed to fix the inability for the bios to save settings?
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« Reply #227 on: 22-January-11, 22:27:30 »

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Is the ME update included in the 1.7 bios?  Is it only designed to fix the inability for the bios to save settings?
When I explored the BIOS files from the MSI Global Site V1.7, the ME was included with it.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #228 on: 22-January-11, 22:34:15 »

Is the ME update included in the 1.7 bios?  Is it only designed to fix the inability for the bios to save settings?
I had the issue turn up before I did any updates to the ME.  So if that's your concern on not updating, I wouldn't worry about it.
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« Reply #229 on: 22-January-11, 22:35:33 »

How would I do that?  Can you walk me though it and I'll check it out.
My manual is the Europe version & the information is not included. I don't even have a pdf reader installed yet so I can't read my prior to the build downloaded 'English only' version of the manual which is very much more comprehensive than the Europe manual. It's on my USB thumbdrive, but no way to read it right now. The English version can be downloaded from the MSI Global Site. It is possible the only function of the backup BIOS is to be able to recover from a BIOS corruption.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #231 on: 23-January-11, 00:49:43 »

When I explored the BIOS files from the MSI Global Site V1.7, the ME was included with it.

I'll take that to mean I shouldn't have to worry/think about trying to update the ME seperately then.  Thanks!
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« Reply #232 on: 23-January-11, 01:10:00 »

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I'll take that to mean I shouldn't have to worry/think about trying to update the ME seperately then.  Thanks!
Just for good measure, I went directly to the Intel Website & downloaded & installed the 7.0.3.1184 version which is newer than in the V1.7 or V18b6.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #233 on: 23-January-11, 04:14:54 »

Just for good measure, I went directly to the Intel Website & downloaded & installed the 7.0.3.1184 version which is newer than in the V1.7 or V18b6.

I think the Intel ME update with the BIOS is a firmware flash not just software.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #234 on: 23-January-11, 05:08:03 »

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I think the Intel ME update with the BIOS is a firmware flash not just software.

It's the newest interface between the firmware & the host. I should have been more precise.

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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #235 on: 23-January-11, 05:10:59 »

@HU16E: i cannot find 7.0.3.1184 on intel website (in fact i cannot find any H67/P67 Management Engine Interface  :think: :confused2: i m not sure if they deleted it or if its just me...).
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #236 on: 23-January-11, 13:16:10 »

I have the same issue with any BIOS past 1.4 [including the 1.8 Beta].  As soon as I go to save the BIOS settings, I get the system freeze.  Again when I, go back to 1.4, the problem goes away ... but I'm unable to use Control Center with that version of the BIOS [or so I believe].

Has there been any update on this?
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #237 on: 23-January-11, 13:33:35 »

Not yet but please do as the mods and others have suggested and submit a ticket with MSI.  The more case studies they have, the easier it will be to track down the problem.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #238 on: 23-January-11, 20:46:12 »

Thank you for the feedback.  I did, indeed, submit an issue with MSI.  I got a bit irritated after that and tried to narrow down external components that could be at fault.  I have 2 sticks of RAM [4 GB * 2] so I tried switching them and doing them one-at-a-time.  I disabled all SATA devices.  I disabled the USB keyboard and mouse [used a PS/2 keyboard instead]. 

So, all that's left is the video card [ATI 6970].  I doubt it's something so ubiquitous, but who knows?
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #239 on: 23-January-11, 21:53:21 »

I don't know; this might be a bad board or something.  I did finally install the 7.0.3.1184 of IME after upgrading to the latest 1.08 bios again.  It'll run, but I obviously cannot change the CPU multiplier [the option is still not set in the BIOS].  I went back to the BIOS to switch that, and am unable to set it as it locks up when I click on 'save'.  I tried disabling Spread Spectrum, but as soon as I even select that option, the BIOS locks up [before even clicking 'save'].

Does this sound like a software problem on their part?  I know tons of people are saving properties without fail, so maybe a small % have some sort of issue along these lines?  Are there any other properties people could recommend I try enabling/disabling before I do the dreaded RMA?

If I do an RMA, should I go through MSI or the place I originally purchased the board from?  Needless to say, I'm not entirely thrilled at the prospect of sending the part out and waiting for it to come back [the round-trip would probably be a long period of time].

Thank you for your time.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #240 on: 24-January-11, 00:39:16 »

I am so puzzled.  After going to 1.86, I was able to get IME installed.  Control Center 2 would start, but I was unable to actually change anything.  The UI would appear to change things, but they would not actually 'take'. 

I decided to revert to 1.4 again.  Since I had installed IME, I didn't have issues this time.  I have been able to change computer settings and I've actually gotten the voltage to 1.25 and multiplier to 40 [I'd tried 43, but it was too much].

I'm puzzled by all of this because the hardware is clearly capable of persisting changes.  I don't know what the issue is, but every BIOS I've tried past 1.4 results in lockups any time I try to persist the settings.  As long as I stick with 1.4, the settings will 'stick'.  I find it very odd that this should be the case, however.  Additionally, there are many reports that all BIOSes past 1.4 are more stable for overclocking; I would like to be able to upgrade at some point.

I will update back here if I hear from their support.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #241 on: 24-January-11, 00:58:16 »

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I decided to revert to 1.4 again.  Since I had installed IME, I didn't have issues this time.
This almost is sounding like the updated ME firmware is part of the key to a resolve, along with the interface of firmware to host update 1184 from Intel. :think:

Edit: Possibly reflashing to 1.8b6 now will work correctly? Mine is working fine with 1.8b6.

2nd Edit: My board came with BIOS V1.5. That may explain things why reverting to 1.4 still worked perfectly. My ME firmware was probably updated with that V1.5 BIOS & nothing was going to change that other than another firmware update. Going to 1.8b6, the firmware was well in place, & the Intel ME 1184 update was not really any factor. Only throwing out food for thought here.

3rd Edit: I did use V1.7 before going to 1.8b6 without issue also.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #242 on: 24-January-11, 03:01:26 »

So, all that's left is the video card [ATI 6970].  I doubt it's something so ubiquitous, but who knows?

I also have a 6970 and did all the narrowing down as you did, disabling all. Had the board (with no casing)on an ESD table, with wrist protection. Only thing connected was the power, PS2 keyboard and video and only 1 RAM stick in slot 1.
Didn't help. After that Swapped the 6970 for a 8600 GTS Silent from Asus and redid the processes..., same results, freezed when saving.

I find it very frustrating that i didn't receive an email from MSI support  :biggthumbsdown: . Not even a communication that it's being resolved/ looked at. Only one i got was the thank you for registring the issue.


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Is it possible for you to create a file for the MSI HQ flash tool that incorporates the latest ME update from Intel and the 1.8b6 bios?
I would be grateful for that......
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #243 on: 24-January-11, 03:17:07 »

Is it possible for you to create a file for the MSI HQ flash tool that incorporates the latest ME update from Intel and the 1.8b6 bios?
Svet would be the one to answer that question.

Added: Actually, the update from Intel is not a firmware update, it is an Interface Host to Firmware update (7.0.3.1184). You can get that one direct from Intel & install it yourself, no flashing involved.

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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #244 on: 24-January-11, 08:32:11 »

2nd Add: It would be greatly appreciated if everyone in this thread would take some time & create a signature of complete system components in their profiles. It helps the admins & mods & other users to maybe spot a problematic common denominator or clue as to possible contributing factors. :-))

Good idea, I've added mine.  I still think it's really odd that I had FULL save functionality with 1.50 (which came stock on my board).  I made numerous changes and was able to save repeatedly without any lock ups.  It was only AFTER I cleared my CMOS (I never updated the bios during this time) that I could no longer do any saves in the UEFI.
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« Reply #245 on: 24-January-11, 10:12:24 »

Yeah that is strange indeed........ initially it works.....
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #246 on: 24-January-11, 11:42:22 »

Something I've begun to notice, particular with PaulWendt's post with regards to freezing when saving- but are people navigating the UEFI entirely with the mouse? I think I had an issue with clicking on Save with a mouse, but pressing the enter key worked fine and "Sav and Reset" just worked. FWIW I'm still on 1.7.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #247 on: 24-January-11, 12:10:29 »

I am one of those blessed with the freeze bug and have never used the mouse to navigate the UEFI. It freezes even if nothing but a ps2-keyboard (no sata devices, no usb devices, no mouse) is connected. I think we can rule out the mouse.
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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #248 on: 24-January-11, 12:13:17 »

Something I've begun to notice, particular with PaulWendt's post with regards to freezing when saving- but are people navigating the UEFI entirely with the mouse? I think I had an issue with clicking on Save with a mouse, but pressing the enter key worked fine and "Sav and Reset" just worked. FWIW I'm still on 1.7.

My mouse (Mionix 5000) doesn't work correctly in the UEFI so I'm only using the keyboard.

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Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #249 on: 24-January-11, 14:07:00 »

Let me know if it helps.....
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