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"MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« on: 29-October-12, 21:51:33 »

Hi there,

I have an MSI Z77A-GD65 and have just installed Windows 8 Pro and configured it to boot using the UEFI Windows Boot Manager.

I'm trying to get an optimal fast boot as shown in some of the Microsoft videos and have a question about some of the firmware settings -

  • MSI Fast Boot
  • Fast Boot

Does anyone know what the difference between these two settings is? - enabling the "MSI Fast Boot" hides and removes the other "Fast Boot" option but does not appear to have any discernible difference in reality.

Also I have tried enabling the "Windows 8 Feature" but receive a pop-up message telling me that my discrete video card (PowerColor PCS+ 7950) is not Windows 8 Logo and does not support GOP. It then disables the "Windows 8 Feature".

Does anyone have the "Windows 8 Feature" working with a discrete graphics card I am thinking that it may only work with the Intel HD graphics integrated on the CPU.

Many thanks

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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #1 on: 29-October-12, 21:57:20 »

For full win8 compatibility the vbios of a vga requires support for the Graphics Output Protocol (GOP) which is a UEFI Feature (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh997769.aspx). Only newer vgas support GOP. As vga and board need to support GOP the system won't post with a vga using a GOP compatible hybrid vbios when the board has no GOP compatible bios. That is what keeps some vga manufacturers from offering cards with such a vbios and that is what caused no post problems with recent MSI GTX660(ti) cards (which came with hybrid vbios out of the box). 
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #2 on: 29-October-12, 22:44:24 »

Thanks flobelix

Any idea on the difference between "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"?

I'm not holding out much hope for a UEFI GOP VBIOS for the Radeon card :( - I would enable the Lucid Virtu support but I'm running eyefinity which I believe isn't compatible with Virtu.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #3 on: 31-October-12, 16:40:10 »

Hi ~D4rk-S4v4nt~

I have same board as you and also just updated to W8 Pro, installed on SSD but only have HD4000 at the moment.  I'm using the latest beta bios A71 and thought I'd take a look into this as part of getting my install nicely configured.

The MSI Fast Boot also has a utility app to switch this on and off within Windows from the system tray, i.e. load stay resident app.  This app doesn't appear to be available from MSI UK website, I had to download it from the US site, on motherboard product page.

With MSI Fast Boot switched on with the app (also enabled in BIOS), I'm assuming this is with the switch covering the word 'Off' and the word 'On' showing, this toggles the MSI Fast Boot option in the BIOS to enabled when the word 'On' is showing in the app.  The app is also useful as a neater way of getting back into the BIOS rather than repeatedly hitting the Delete key during boot up.

I think you also need hibernation enabled as some people with an SSD may be used to disabling it, if it's not enabled you won't have the 'Turn on fast start-up' option in the 'Power Options' > 'Choose what the power buttons do' > 'Shutdown settings' section.

This is not as fast as some of the W8 demos I've seen either so I thought I'd enable the W8 Feature in the BIOS which has caused me some grief as it then failed to boot and dropped me into the EFI Shell as shown below.  What's more I couldn't get back to the Click BIOS for a while as resetting the CMOS resulted in the reset BIOS screen where you need to press F1 or F2 but it had lost my wireless USB keyboard / mouse connection.  Eventually after moving the Logitech Unifying receiver to another USB port and resetting the BIOS again it regained connection with the keyboard/mouse so I could choose F1/F2 but still ended up in EFI shell where I had to enter 'exit' to escape into Click BIOS.
 
Conclusion:

Whether I have MSI Fast Boot enabled or not seems to make no difference, either way I achieve around 20 seconds from a cold boot.

Even though I'm using an Ivy processor with Z77 chipset I can't get the Windows 8 Feature in the BIOS to give me W8 Fast Boot.  Unsure whether this is due to not having a discreet graphics card or a fault with the BIOS? It seems odd that if the BIOS doesn't detect suitable hardware that it wouldn't make the feature unavailable.

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« Reply #4 on: 31-October-12, 18:18:44 »

MSI Fast Boot has to do with memory checking and remapping I believe.

I'll find out exactly and get back to you.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #5 on: 02-November-12, 02:02:16 »

I was wrong, they are related to win8, which I am downloading now to play with.

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Fast Boot is intended for Windows 8.
“Enables or disables boot with initialization of a minimal set of devices required to launch active boot option.”
Note: It has no effect on BBS boot options.
 
Fast Boot option may typically contains the following sub-options in the BIOS.
1.       VGA Support – EFI Driver
2.       USB Support – Full Initial / Partial Initial / Disabled
3.       PS2 Devices Support – Enabled / Disabled
4.       Network Stack Driver Support – Enabled / Disabled


PS: Sorry for the delay, have been clearing trees for people.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #6 on: 23-March-13, 13:13:02 »

So,what`s bettter to use? :think:
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #7 on: 23-March-13, 14:47:18 »

I use MSI Fast boot, it works with the fast boot utility.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #8 on: 23-March-13, 15:03:54 »

I use MSI Fast boot, it works with the fast boot utility.

But in my case enabling or disabling MSI fast-boot doesn't seem to make any difference...
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #9 on: 23-March-13, 15:07:05 »

The only difference between fast boot and MSI fast boot is the the msi utility will work with MSI fast boot.
http://www.msi.com/service/download/utility-19319.html

You can definatly see a difference between Fast Boot completly disabled vs enabled.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #10 on: 24-March-13, 10:21:17 »

With fastboot enabled I still see the post messages and I am still able to enter the bios. Same as when disabled.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #11 on: 24-March-13, 17:19:19 »

http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=163918.msg1226049#msg1226049

Have you tried reflashing the bios? Are you already at the one I linked?
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #12 on: 24-March-13, 17:59:01 »

Yes, I'm on 4.1.
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #13 on: 25-March-13, 16:17:33 »

Try re-flashing with the method and archive from the link.

Perhaps post a you tube video of your boot.
What boot messages are you seeing? On either of my board when Fast Boot is enabled, I no longer get the splash screen, just and MSI with a spinning win 8 wheel for about 3-5 seconds then I see metro.
Do you have / and are you using the aux Sata Controller? (Sata 7&8)
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #14 on: 26-March-13, 17:17:45 »

Lol,I`ve tried it.Not even a 1% of difference.Or there should be "Windows 8 Feature" enabled to get any boost? :confused2:
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« Reply #15 on: 26-March-13, 17:27:18 »

Ah, that is probably it, do you have UEFI installation and Win 8 options enabled?
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #16 on: 26-March-13, 21:54:23 »

Yeah,Win 8 UEFI.
I can`t enable Windows 8 Feature because of no GOP support on my GTX 670. :nooo:
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« Reply #17 on: 26-March-13, 22:19:31 »

Who makes the card? If it is MSI, what is the s/n?
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #18 on: 27-March-13, 00:23:23 »

Nope,it`s not MSI.It`s Gigabyte.
Aw,there is a bios update with UEFI support.Looks like it`s time to update BIOS for videocard. :grin:
Ok,after update and enabling "Windows 8 Feature" Fast Boot is working.But not too much "boost",yeah.To be honest there are no boost.Looks like another marketing technology. :rolleyes:
I`ve tried every option.MSI Fast Boot,Fast Boot.Maybe there are 1-2 seconds of improvement,but not something that I can notice.Ah,and there are problems to go to the BIOS of course.So,it`s USELESS.And yes,I have an SSD.
Too bad that MSI didn`t give the correct instructions.I think they must make a big note that to use Fast Boot you need UEFI-compatible videocard and W8 Feature Enabled.And another note,that sometimes you won`t get any boost,excluding cool MSI logo on startup. :cheesy:
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Re: "MSI Fast Boot" and "Fast Boot"
« Reply #19 on: 27-March-13, 00:32:49 »

contact them and ask them for a GOP VBIOS for your card model http://www.gigabyte.com/about-gigabyte/contact-us.aspx

good luck if they give you one someone here will be able to walk you through the process!
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