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Best temperature monitoring software?
« on: 08-January-13, 14:58:48 »

I have the 990FXA-GD80V2 and speedfan shows

some of the sensors show -111C and some show 127C !? which one is my CPU? I've tried many other utilz and they show the same thing... I have an H100 cooling my CPU inside an obsidian 800D case so heat is not a problem. Thx
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« Reply #1 on: 08-January-13, 18:29:44 »

I perfer coretemp.. has a few nice features, but wont let you run any fan profiles..
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« Reply #2 on: 08-January-13, 20:34:49 »

Core Temp and Real Temp work well as does CPUID HW Monitor.
Those -111 and 127C temps you see there are probably software expected sensors that do not exist on the board, thus, bogus readings.
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« Reply #3 on: 09-January-13, 01:07:59 »

AMD cpus are sadly known for temp sensor misreadings. Would also go for >>Core Temp<<. CPU temp there should be accurate
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« Reply #4 on: 09-January-13, 06:30:33 »

well i want an app that can monitor not just CPU but all sensors on the MB and everything.... thx guys
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« Reply #5 on: 09-January-13, 06:34:21 »

The other sensors except for cpu will most likely not work on an AMD system as the latest AMD cpus are coming up with crazy sensor reading on this. You can use >>AMD Overdrive<< but I'm pretty sure it will come up with false readings on the other sensor's too.
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« Reply #6 on: 09-January-13, 07:25:38 »

Can also just use control center, now that it minimizes to the upper right had corner much like core temp it is all I am using.
Although I use HWmonitor for initial set up.
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« Reply #7 on: 10-January-13, 14:16:20 »



This is what core temp says.. even tho speedfan doesn't show my CPU being 12C (Which is insanely low)

I've had 3 BSOD crashes since burning in this system with prime95 and furmark.... temps didnt get above 40C.... which doesn't make sense. "Whocrashed" has nothing of use. thoughts? Im trying to make this system rock solid but it keeps crashing even w the latest bios..........................  :biggthumbsdown:
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« Reply #8 on: 10-January-13, 14:38:16 »

this is so frustrating .... the max temp i have seen is actually 30C! And it still BSOD's............wth??
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Re: Best temperature monitoring software?
« Reply #9 on: 11-January-13, 02:28:00 »

Blue screens are not necessarily related to temps so could be anything.

Try Overdrive as I already suggested

The other sensors except for cpu will most likely not work on an AMD system as the latest AMD cpus are coming up with crazy sensor reading on this. You can use >>AMD Overdrive<< but I'm pretty sure it will come up with false readings on the other sensor's too.
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« Reply #10 on: 11-January-13, 02:29:27 »

"Whocrashed" said its most likely related to a thermal event even though nothing in this case gets above 35C.... I tried OC'ing it just 200Mhz and the whole thing went berzerk and I had to clear my CMOS... this board does not like to be pushed very hard at all.
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« Reply #11 on: 11-January-13, 02:30:56 »

Rubbish, you can't tell by having a blue screen if it was temp related.
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« Reply #12 on: 11-January-13, 02:33:00 »

Rubbish, you can't tell by having a blue screen if it was temp related.

Its obviously not since nothing gets above 35C... which isn't that warm.... I'll play FC3 for about 20 mins, the H100 fans will kick up and then it will freeeze up and crash the whole thing.... thinking i might have a bad MB.
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« Reply #13 on: 11-January-13, 02:35:41 »

First, try intel burn test on maximum. While it is running monitor the temps.

If that doesn't cause a temp issue nothing will do so.

If all is fine, then try Furmark and see if that crashes the system.

Let us know how it turns out and add a full component list so we can properly help.
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This could be a matter of just increasing the ramv slightly?
How much ram is installed? What kind? How many sticks? Etc

At this point we are just talking in generalities and this is probably a simple fix.
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« Reply #14 on: 11-January-13, 02:36:25 »

First, try intel burn test on maximum. While it is running monitor the temps.

If that doesn't cause a temp issue nothing will do so.

If all is fine, then try Furmark and see if that crashes the system.

Let us know how it turns out and add a full component list so we can properly help.
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yes i was running prime95 and furmark at the same time and it crashed several times. I know the video card is fine as I had it in my old machine and it was solid..... evga gtx 680 SC...  all bios settings  are mostly default - i have all power saving options turned off.
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« Reply #15 on: 11-January-13, 02:37:07 »

Ok were temps fine?

What are your components?
What PSU?

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« Reply #16 on: 11-January-13, 02:39:36 »

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As far as I could tell the video card got up to about 50C which is normal and CPU never got above 35C.... then BSOD...  ;-((

Running a memtest now at home and its been running for 10+ hrs now.......  :confused2:
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« Reply #17 on: 11-January-13, 02:46:10 »

Much issues with latest official bios. Go for latest beta: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=163878.msg1208777#msg1208777

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« Reply #18 on: 11-January-13, 02:48:33 »

Much issues with latest official bios. Go for latest beta: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=163878.msg1208777#msg1208777

>>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<

Clear cmos before trying to flash: >>Clear CMOS Guide<<

yea Im going to try that but waiting for memtest to finish......so far no errors.... at this point its either the MB or CPU as all the other components were from my "old" PC and are rock solid.
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« Reply #19 on: 11-January-13, 02:53:02 »

Make sure to just use one stick of ram.
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« Reply #20 on: 11-January-13, 02:57:50 »

Is that a quad channel kit? (4 sticks)

If so, increase the dramv to 1.65
Set the command rate to 2T
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Also, check for firmware updates for the Revodrive.

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« Reply #22 on: 11-January-13, 03:07:00 »

That is just a 8GB kit so you are mixing two of these which is a bad idea and could be your source of stability issues.
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« Reply #23 on: 11-January-13, 03:10:11 »

That is just a 8GB kit so you are mixing two of these which is a bad idea and could be your source of stability issues.

Exactly, also try the previously mentions solutions and see if they help.

If not, install only 2 sticks of matched ram in the proper DIMMS for dual channel operation. If it works fine like that, you can probably get a matched set exchanged from GSKILL.
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« Reply #25 on: 11-January-13, 03:25:09 »

The last one's you posted were ddr3-1333
That kit is 2133

Best for your board if you really need 16gb, would be a 2x 8GB kit.
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« Reply #26 on: 11-January-13, 03:28:29 »

Yep, stay away from quad kits. Too much strain for your dual channel mem controler. To be safe go for a two stick kit.
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« Reply #27 on: 11-January-13, 03:29:05 »

This would probably be a good kit if you needed to stay with Gskill:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489
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Try the other ideas first though, you may be able to get this stable with some voltage tweaks and a bios update.
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« Reply #28 on: 11-January-13, 04:59:39 »

system will BSOD for just about anything, usually driver conflicts, but if its not Prime95 stable, its not stable.  Let Memtest run for like 3 cycles, because often the first time through wont be an issue, but more likely on the second after it and the board have warmed up.

Are you only messing with the CPU multiplier, or did you mess with anything else?  For 4 sticks of RAM you'll not just need to up DIMM voltage, but the CPU-NB VID, for the internal memory controller power, to like 1.3V, 1.35V max.  The memory controller in the FX cpus is a sour point.   

Also, you may want to upgrade to 1600 RAM anyway, tightest timings possible, at least CL8-8-8-24 at 1.5V, Crucial made a 1.35V 8GBx2 1600 set with those timings.
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« Reply #29 on: 11-January-13, 05:33:10 »

system will BSOD for just about anything, usually driver conflicts, but if its not Prime95 stable, its not stable.  Let Memtest run for like 3 cycles, because often the first time through wont be an issue, but more likely on the second after it and the board have warmed up.

Are you only messing with the CPU multiplier, or did you mess with anything else?  For 4 sticks of RAM you'll not just need to up DIMM voltage, but the CPU-NB VID, for the internal memory controller power, to like 1.3V, 1.35V max.  The memory controller in the FX cpus is a sour point.   

Also, you may want to upgrade to 1600 RAM anyway, tightest timings possible, at least CL8-8-8-24 at 1.5V, Crucial made a 1.35V 8GBx2 1600 set with those timings.

I have nothing overclocked at all...
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« Reply #30 on: 11-January-13, 11:22:32 »

it appears that the latest beta bios has fixed my issue! temps never get above 24C! when running furmark & prime95 at the same time.... I also ran 8 CPUBurnin.exe's at the same time for about 20 min and temps never got above 24C... damn i love this H100! :) Thanks everyone for their help! why aren't these beta bios' being released by MSI!?
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« Reply #31 on: 11-January-13, 11:47:06 »

These cpus run ridiculously cool at stock settings, have to OC them to heat them up.  I wonder if the old bios was overvolting everything, or swapping got rid of some OC settings?
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« Reply #32 on: 11-January-13, 12:04:02 »

I just tried OC'ing it a little and it wont POST oh well... at least its stable now. :think:
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You need to read AMDs own overclocking guide for these FX cpus.  Lots of details on voltages and how to tweak.  Some certain things may specifically cause the non-post.  Like the mem controller stuff if you mess with RAM over 1600, or FSB.
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« Reply #34 on: 11-January-13, 14:44:35 »

of course these really low temps are when its sitting idle @ 1.4ghz and under full load it never gets above 29C or so........

I can't even bump it up 100mhz without it crashing windows... maybe this board doesn't like to be OC'd? or maybe its the ram?
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« Reply #35 on: 11-January-13, 14:57:18 »

so much for that ........ just got another BSOD but its not happening as much....... sigh RMA time?
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« Reply #36 on: 11-January-13, 15:00:04 »

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162950.0

having these exact same issues....... prime95 workers stop with errors which means bad memory?
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« Reply #37 on: 11-January-13, 15:22:41 »

in which prime test?
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« Reply #38 on: 11-January-13, 15:29:30 »

Blended or any of them.....
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« Reply #39 on: 11-January-13, 15:30:55 »

Blended or any of them.....

if you use the 1st one? small FFTs?
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« Reply #40 on: 11-January-13, 20:40:37 »

Also, did you try the setting recommened for 4 sticks of ram and update the bios?
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« Reply #41 on: 12-January-13, 01:14:24 »

You probably need to check your voltages to the CPU and RAM.  And try running with just one set of RAM, 2 sticks that are identical.

To run 4 sticks of RAM you also need to give more voltage to the CPU's memory controller, so overvolt CPU-NB VID/voltage to 1.3V from 1.2V. 

Memory errors are not even assured to be because of the RAM.  The memory controller is inside the CPU, so need to make sure the CPU is well fed on voltage.
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« Reply #42 on: 12-January-13, 05:52:12 »

xmad, What do you mean setting it for 4 sticks? Where do I find that config?

Svet, I have tried many different tests and the latest beta bios has helped but has not eliminated the problem completely ...... yet.

The Revodrive is working as needed and there are no fw updates available. All drivers are on their latest.

Principle, I'll try that tonight when I get home with 2 sticks ..I was kind of disappointed that the WEI score for CPU & RAM was *lower* than when I had my Phenom x4 965 and a 790FX-GD70 (with the same sticks of ram) - i took the ram out of this old system since the board died and put it in the new one since the specs are the same but I guess its not?
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« Reply #43 on: 12-January-13, 05:58:09 »

xmad, What do you mean setting it for 4 sticks? Where do I find that config?

Svet, I have tried many different tests and the latest beta bios has helped but has not eliminated the problem completely ...... yet.

The Revodrive is working as needed and there are no fw updates available. All drivers are on their latest.

Principle, I'll try that tonight when I get home with 2 sticks ..I was kind of disappointed that the WEI score for CPU & RAM was *lower* than when I had my Phenom x4 965 and a 790FX-GD70 (with the same sticks of ram) - i took the ram out of this old system since the board died and put it in the new one since the specs are the same but I guess its not?


Since you have the extra bandwidth, you need to overvolt the ram and I/o slightly. Perhaps a dramv of 1.65 and a small increase in NB voltage.
Also, setting the command rate to 2t may help and/or loosening the timings.
As a last resort you can slow the memory down to lower the amount of bandwidth to the IMC. Typical setting w/ 4 sticks of ram are 1066/1333 and sometimes 1600 and with enough tinkering higher speeds may be possible but really isn't worth the trouble to be honest. If you really need so much ram, you just need to keep testing until you can find a speed and latency that your IMC likes.

Also, if the 4 sticks of ram are not for a quad channel kit, that can cause this issue as well. Modern IMC's don't like ram that isn't identical and ram of the same line but different kits doesn't always match. If you purchased 2x dual channel kits you may need to return them for a quad channel kit.
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« Reply #44 on: 12-January-13, 07:08:29 »

The Bulldozer/Piledrive CPU internal memory controllers are a bit weak compared to older CPUs, but I have 16GB 1600 running flawlessly at 1.6V and tight timings as soon as I upped the CPU-NB Voltage to 1.3V.  Hopefully something AMD fixes with the Steamroller release. 

With my Athlon II X4 620e CPU I had before and is now in my parents PC, I had to increase the CPU-NB voltage to 1.2V from what was 1.1V when set to auto, so that I could run 4 sticks of 2GB DDR2 RAM. 
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« Reply #45 on: 12-January-13, 10:04:23 »

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does this mean it stops on Small FFT's?
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« Reply #46 on: 12-January-13, 11:40:05 »

Svet, I'll run it again and let you know......

On the OC settings page in the bios i have these:

CPU Ratio - Auto (x20) 4ghz
CPU-NB Ratio - Auto
OC Genie - Enabled

CPU Core Control - Auto
Turbo Core - Auto
Max Turbo Core - Auto
Turbo Core Ratio - Auto
Max Turbo Ratio - Auto

DRAM Freq - Auto / Link or Unlink? (Currently on Auto)
CPU Voltage - Auto
CPU-NB Voltage  - 1.310333 V
CPU PLL Votage - Auto
CPU -DDR-PHY - Auto
DRAM Voltage - Auto (should this be 1.300V?)
DDR Pref Voltage - Auto
NB Voltage - Auto
NB PCI-E Voltage - Auto
HT Link Voltage - Auto
SB Voltage - Auto
Spread Spectrum - Disabled

Everything else not listed is on auto...... is this right? This is w 4 sticks of ram... I can test it with 2......
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« Reply #47 on: 12-January-13, 11:46:52 »

crash with these settings
CPU-NB Voltage  - 1.310333 V
CPU PLL Votage - Auto
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DRAM Voltage - 1.300V
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Going to remove 2 sticks of ram and try again......
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« Reply #48 on: 12-January-13, 12:01:19 »

running 8 instances of CPUBurn-in and temps are at 24C solid... with a 21x multiplier (4.2Ghz) CPU core volts @ 1.272... and with the above settings for voltages ..........

Well CPU burn in ran fine for about 20 min but as soon as I launched Furmark it was too much......... now to take out 2 sticks and see how that plays out  :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :vapid:
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« Reply #49 on: 12-January-13, 12:07:36 »

dram voltage of at least 1.6V, it would be 1.5V on auto.

Might want to set CPU voltage to 1.475V if it still has issues.  Or you can try like 1.4125V.  I would stick to 1.475 max though.  AMD says it can go up to 1.55V, but the mobo often will overvolt past what you set, so even with 1.475 it might jump past 1.5V momentarily at times.  Your actual CPU VID may report at 1.3175V, but it will be more stable if youre at 1.4125 at least.   
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