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MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« on: 02-March-13, 15:45:44 »

Hi all,

yesterday i recieved my new MSI Big Bang XPower II and got some really strange issues:

First of all ill let you know my hardware:

MSI Big Bang XPower II (BIOS v1.4) new
Intel I7 Extreme 3960X new
G.SKILL 64GB RAM Kit 1600 new
Palit NVIDIA GTX 680 - 4096 near new
3 x RME Soundcards used but okay
7 x WD 2TB SATA where 3 are OS Systems and 4 are Storage used but okay
Be Quiet Dark Power 1200W new

1 Problem:

There is absolutely no Firewire available. I tested the onboard connection (which is at the backplate) and i also tested the extension connection with a additional firewire slot. Also it seems that wether Windows nor Linux is recognizing the firewire at all. The strange thing is that i recieved this new board after i send the first one back to my reseller with exactly the same problem!!! I also take a look into the BIOS if there is any option i need to activate but as far as i see there is nothing to set for 1394?

2 Problem:

As you can read above i use my GTX680 and all 3 RME Soundcards each with one PCI Slot. But some of the slots are not working fine. If i, for example mount my GTX680 to Slot 1 and want to mount my first RME Souncard to slot 4 (2 and 3 are covered under my GTX680) its not working. If i try it in slot 6 for example, the soundcard works fine.
BUT:
The slot 4 is not damaged cause if i set my GTX680 to slot 8 and retry my RME Cards in slot 4 its working...

Never had that before!

I connected the 24pin ATX and both 8pin connectors (the 4pin additional connector for the graphics is not used).

Would be nice if someone guiding me through the dark  :pompom:
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #1 on: 02-March-13, 16:12:26 »

MSI Big Bang XPower II (BIOS v1.4) new
Intel I7 Extreme 3960X new
G.SKILL 64GB RAM Kit 1600 new
Palit NVIDIA GTX 680 - 4096 near new
3 x RME Soundcards used but okay
7 x WD 2TB SATA where 3 are OS Systems and 4 are Storage used but okay
Be Quiet Dark Power 1200W new

With so many components and shared resources, you are gambling with IORQs and I/O addressing space.
That's asking for troubles.
What is the purpose of your build anyway?
Why do you need GTX 680, 64GB RAM and 3 sound cards?
 ;D
And why do you need 7 HDDs?
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #2 on: 02-March-13, 16:56:22 »

With so many components and shared resources, you are gambling with IORQs and I/O addressing space.
Mmmhmm i dont thought about getting interrupts, MSI is offering the board with that configration/features and if there is one user out who try to use the board near to the fullest it should of course work or not?!

What is the purpose of your build anyway?
Well im a musician and need a lot of storage ;-)

Why do you need GTX 680
Thats for sure only for gaming  :hypocrite:

64GB RAM
Got it new and very cheap (VERY!!)

and 3 sound cards
Like i say im a musician

And why do you need 7 HDDs

Also for store all samples and that stuff
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #3 on: 02-March-13, 17:12:34 »

Well im a musician and need a lot of storage ;-)
Like i say im a musician

I work with sound processing since DOS 5.0 and I did never waste my money in this way.
Get rid of those 3 sound cards, because you need only one. Buy a GREAT one!
Get rid of those 7 HDDs, because you need only 2-3.
Buy two 128-256GB SSDs for the OSs (Win XP/7/8 installations can share the same SSD) and 2x2TB to store other files.
With 64GB RAM you'll get into stability issues sooner or later. You don't need more than 32GB.
That GTX 680 (to play games) is not suitable for a working computer.
If you mix things, you'll end up with mixed results.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #4 on: 02-March-13, 17:53:02 »

Well i changed my RAM to my old 8GB Kit, disconnected all HDDs except my OS and only start with my GPU-Card.
There is no firewire available.
Same Problem with the PCI lanes (and im only testing with one soundcard)

It cant be the peripherals as im running now with the lowest i can :-)
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #5 on: 02-March-13, 18:01:52 »

Well i changed my RAM to my old 8GB Kit, disconnected all HDDs except my OS and only start with my GPU-Card.
There is no firewire available.
Same Problem with the PCI lanes (and im only testing with one soundcard)

It cant be the peripherals as im running now with the lowest i can :-)

Many soundcards are problematic.
Sometimes, if you change their PCI slot, you get rid of troubles.
Other times, you need to reserve their IORQ in BIOS (to force them to take another one).
As I said before, it's all about shared rersources (IORQs and I/O addressing space).
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #6 on: 03-March-13, 09:48:19 »

Good morning  :sleep:

yesterday i tested more and now i wanted to start the board with only 1 module 4GB Ram and 1 SATA (to install the OS) and my GTX680

Same problems with the PCI-Slots.

I tested all slots with exactly the same hardware:

Slot1: Boot
Slot2: dont boot errorcode "dE"
Slot3: Boot
Slot4: dont boot errorcode "dE"
Slot5: Boot
Slot6: dont boot errorcode "dE"
Slot7: Boot

Anyone know what the debug led output "dE" means?

Any other ideas how i can fix this?
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #7 on: 03-March-13, 10:39:57 »

As per the manual, the graphics card is recommended to be used in PCI-E1. The combinations you are trying to use are having compatibility isues with the resources available. I currently use my BB X II for nothing but video and audio creation work. 32GB of RAM is way more than enough. My music creation program is Sibelius 7, sound card Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty Champion.

DE or D3?

0xD0 – 0xDF DXE errors.

0xD3 Some of the Architectural Protocols are not available.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #8 on: 03-March-13, 10:55:42 »

Hi Gremlin,

thanks for your reply.

The errorcode is dE or DE. So this has something to do with directx errors?
Well i understand (for now) that there can be trouble with resources if i try to operate with 64GB Ram. Therefor i now only use 1x4GB Ram, 1 HDD and my GPU Card just to check if the system is working.
With this features installed i guess it should be no problem to run the system stable, or am i wrong?

But anyway the firewire ports are not available even with this configuration. Is there an option in the bios i dont saw to activate the IEEE 1394 ports?
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #9 on: 03-March-13, 11:10:04 »

I don't recall seeing a specific controller setting to enable or disable FireWire. All my external devices are set up to use USB 3.0, otherwise I would test it out on mine. As far as I know, DXE has something to do with the processor.

For RAM, use DIMM slots 1, 3, 5, and 7 for quad channel.

Are there any yellow exclamation marks in Device Manager? FireWire listed as available in the System Devices drop down list?
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #10 on: 03-March-13, 20:01:10 »

Mhmm maybe the CPU is not proper working?
At this time i use only DIMM 1 for my 4GB module

No im generally not on windows but have a HDD which comes with win7 installed. there are no yellow marked "!" in the device manager and the firewire is not listed in the drop down menu.

Im starting to think i got a broken cpu or even got the same problems like the last time i send my board back to MSI.
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« Reply #11 on: 03-March-13, 21:20:22 »

No im generally not on windows but have a HDD which comes with win7 installed.

Are you trying to use a HDD with the OS installed from another computer?
It doesn't work in this way.
You need to perform a fresh OS installation on the current hardware.
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« Reply #12 on: 03-March-13, 22:03:57 »

Are you trying to use a HDD with the OS installed from another computer?
It doesn't work in this way.
You need to perform a fresh OS installation on the current hardware.

As quoted, a fresh OS install is highly recommended. Migrating an OS from platform to platform is a bad idea. Be sure to visit the MSI Website and open the information for your specific mainboard, download and install manually the chipset, ME, and other applicable drivers. Odds of getting two boards with the same exact problem with FireWire would be rather rare. Are you sure the same mainboard was not sent back to you? Cross checked the Serial Numbers? Is your CPU brand new or used? A C1 or C2 revision?
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #13 on: 07-March-13, 20:45:20 »

Was testing a lot the last days, sorry for late reply.

Generally i only changed the broken board with a new one (both Big Bang X-Power II).
So from my gardware understanding i dont really need to install the OS new because they are bith identically with the same chipset.

But anyway:

First try was to boot from a HDD which had already the OS installed. Result was no firewire
Then i installed the OS on a fresh HDD. No firewire
Third step was to install windows (normally im on linux and dont need that bunch of driverstuff, ffado and IEEE driver are easily installed during the installation process or are quickly installed through the distribution paketmanager). On fresh windows 7 there is also no firewire, even if i try to install the firewire driver from my M-Audio NRV10.

If i think about the PCIe issues i guess something dont work like it should :-)
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #14 on: 07-March-13, 23:52:53 »

Regarding your os , you will have to do a fresh install . I had the same os issue a few weeks ago moving from an Asus Z77 motherboard to the MPower Z77 , and it wouldn't reconise it as having an os . My understanding was the same as you that if you were using the same chipset you could just use your original hard drive along with the os . That could well be your underlying issue .
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #15 on: 08-March-13, 03:39:22 »

Correction to my Reply #9. I will be connecting up the BB X II again this evening, so I will have a look concerning FireWire. I found an old Smartdisk CrossFire combo connection external HDD to check things out. As a quick test, I enabled the FireWire controller on the Z68 I am using at the moment. It shows up in Device Manager just under the ATA controllers, not in System Devices as I had thought it would be under. It reads as a IEEE 1394 Host Controller. I had to assign it a drive letter and activate it in Disk Management. Works as advertised, so will see what happens when connected to the BB X II.

Update.

Hooked up the BB X II and FireWire is always enabled by default. There is no setting to disable or enable it in the UEFI/BIOS. It shows up in Device Manager just as it did in the Z68, right below the ATA controllers.

If your new replacement mainboard does not show the FireWire controller in Device Manager, I have no clue on what to say other than if the board came from the same batch, there may be some boards with faulty controllers. If so, MSI needs to be informed right away to look into it further.

  >> How To Contact MSI <<

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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #16 on: 09-March-13, 05:29:37 »

Next week ill check a fresh install on a ASRock Extreme (from a friend if mine) with Firewire and with the same hardware including firewire.
If there will be firewire i think Froggy Gremlin might be right and ill contact MSI.

Ill let you know how it goes.
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« Reply #17 on: 09-March-13, 10:32:46 »

Will be looking for a followup update then. :biggthumbsup:
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #18 on: 16-March-13, 06:00:31 »

And back with a fresh installation on a ASRock Extreme11.

Got
full firewire support
full PCIe functionality
even with 64GB Ram, all HDD's, all Soundcards installed to the system everything runs just fine.

I think i need to send my MSI back to my reseller again :pompom:
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #19 on: 16-March-13, 15:29:26 »

Did you try updating the firmware of the via firewire controller?
http://via-labs.com/en/support/downloads.jsp#firmware

Did you ever do a fresh windows install on the big bang?

Have you flashed to the latest bios:
>>BIOSes<<
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #20 on: 16-March-13, 15:54:50 »

Did you try updating the firmware of the via firewire controller?
http://via-labs.com/en/support/downloads.jsp#firmware

If your OS say that there is no firewire available on your board then i guess it will be tricky to flash the firmware?

Did you ever do a fresh windows install on the big bang?

Yes as i wrote i installed windows 7 fresh and clean to be sure that my linux OS is operating fine and its not a fault in the firewire drivers of linux.

Have you flashed to the latest bios:
>>BIOSes<<

Oh as i see theres a new bios? Last version i tried was 1.5. Do you think that this can be fixed with a bios update? If there is a chance that the update could fix my problem ill try that.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #21 on: 17-March-13, 02:55:54 »

Bios update may help, that release I posted had TONS of fixes. On my cell now, but Ill check the fire wire settings inthe morning.

A note on the new bios. It is me 8 and you will find some of the drivers on the bbII page will no longer be compatible. I used Intel downloads for the raid/ ahci drivers and me from any 7 series board.

Also, take a moment to flash the USB 3 firmware. Just Google station drivers nec firmware. (I'll link in the am) I also posted the most popular with the BIOSes.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #22 on: 17-March-13, 23:06:59 »

Links:

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USB 3.0

• 1 USB 3.0 internal connector by NEC® D720200
• 4 USB 3.0 rear I/O ports by NEC® D720200

http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=166083.msg1216571#msg1216571
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http://www.station-drivers.com/page/renesas.htm


As for the fire wire, have you disable PCIe 3.0 and re-tested?
Also, make sure you test with all of the pcie lanes enabled. See the cease fire dip switches.
Those are just shots in the dark, but if it still won't work it may just be defective.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #23 on: 18-March-13, 01:40:07 »

Be sure to make note of the mainboard serial number to check that the same board doesn't get sent back. Could have been a bad batch of VIA controller chips. Other than your thread, I don't recall seeing any other threads with an IEEE 1394 problem on these mainboards. 
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #24 on: 22-March-13, 20:03:26 »

Just a very quick question: Is there any way to flash the bios from the board from 1.5 to version 2.1 from the bios screen directly.
As i wrote im on linux and im not able to execute .exe files. If i download the 2.1 bios version theres only a .exe file included.

If MSI is going to only support updates with .exe files ill definetly drop with MSI.

And btw PCIe 3.0 is disabled.

And another history background. The very first BBII i bought was running fine including firewire but the Dr.Mos burned away so i had to sent it back to my reseller.

The second one i get had no firewire support.

The third one (This one we actually talk about) had also no firewire support.

All three boards are running with exactly the same hardware on it. The very first one also runs with my full hardware (As i wrote above 64Ram GTX680...) and it runs fine
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #25 on: 22-March-13, 20:16:45 »

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Just a very quick question: Is there any way to flash the bios from the board from 1.5 to version 2.1 from the bios screen directly.
As i wrote im on linux and im not able to execute .exe files. If i download the 2.1 bios version theres only a .exe file included.

You can update to 2.1 following these steps:

Use the attached archive with the >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<.

Point to the NOT unpacked bios archive I attached (MODE 1: Point to Archive)

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And btw PCIe 3.0 is disabled.

It is disabled on any X79 board until it is force enabled. Still it wouldn't work with any cpu/board combination.

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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #26 on: 22-March-13, 20:31:13 »

I need to use the USB flash utility? Or am i able to use the bios file in the bios screen directly?
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« Reply #27 on: 22-March-13, 20:36:00 »

You must use the forum flash tool, because of the coversion from me 7 to me8.

Any other method will fail or is dangerous.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #28 on: 22-March-13, 20:41:15 »

Just to be clear: MSI is not providing a bios file and the udate to version 2.1 is only able with the forum flash tool? And for me also only with VMWare?

That would mean for me i have to drop with msi...
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #29 on: 22-March-13, 20:47:13 »

MSI provides a .exe for this type of flash. It isn't terrible, but the version that svet has made has proven more reliable.


If you want to do it thier way that is fine.
http://www.msi.com/service/download/bios-20509.html

Make sure to read the SOP and turn of your virus program before running this.

You have mulitplie bios's so if it does go badly, you can repair it with the forum tool.
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #30 on: 22-March-13, 20:54:40 »

Okay, thanks a lot for your help but thats not acceptable for me.
Im on linux and i dont want to waste my time set up a virtual machine for a bios update because msi is not able to provide a bios file (like they did up to version 1.5) for flashing within bios
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Re: MSI Big Bang XPower II - Firewire and PCI issues
« Reply #31 on: 22-March-13, 21:08:32 »

This is not due to msi, this is due to Intel and the management engine firmware and now windows 8 /secure boot. You will find that bio flashing has become far more difficult that it was previously.
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