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MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« on: 02-October-13, 01:27:34 »

Hello, so yesterday (Monday, September 30, 2013) I bought the MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard and 2x4GB DDR3 1333 memory. This motherboard supports DDR2 & DDR3 memory (2 slots each; 4 total). The motherboard supports 1333 MHz and up to 8GB of memory.

So I put the computer together, and tried to load up. I get 3 beeps (I looked it up, and this means bad memory). So I took out those two DDR3 sticks and replaced it with one 1GB DDR2 memory that was in the old motherboard. That loaded up! I tried sticking in the second 1GB DDR2 from the old motherboard, and that worked aswell! There was 2048MB of memory running on there.

So I think that the memory I bought is bad/broken. I went back to the store and got a different set of 2x4GB DDR3 memory. I tired this memory combo excluding the DDR2 memory, and it did the same exact thing. It beeped 3 times ---> hence concluding that the motherboard doesn't want to work with DDR3. I went on MSI's website to update the BIOS. I downloaded "7592vWB.zip" (released about 2 months ago) from "msi.com/product/mb/G41M-P33-Combo.html#/?div=BIOS"  and I extracted it to a USB (using a different computer). I went back to the DDR2 stick on the problem computer so it can load and I can go back into the BIOS. Did the update, it completed successfully.


Yet, I still get the same issue of the 3 beeps with the DDR3 memory. I do not want to return these memory sticks, since I prefer 8GB DDR3 memory, and if I replace them with another set of DDR3 memory, I'm sure it will still do the same thing.

Helping me with this is much appreciated. Thanks for reading.
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #1 on: 02-October-13, 01:56:05 »

 Exactly what brand and model of DDR3 RAM did you get?
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #2 on: 02-October-13, 03:45:34 »

The first 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333 MHz memory I got was a Patriot memory, don't remember the specs specifically.

But the ones that I have right now that I got (which was recommended by the salesman at Frys) is a Patriot Viper 1333 MHz (9-9-9-24) DDR3 1.5V UDIMM (2x4GB).
Here's the number for you to research it online or something: PV38G160C9K  PD000277

Here's what I'm thinking... yet I don't want to take stupid risks:
a) I noticed that in the BIOS, I can actually modify the numbers that the RAM "(9-9-9-24)" refers to, yet I fear that it could mess up the BIOS and not load at all, or
b) the DDR3 is a 1.5V? I thought I saw something like that when I was researching online and saw that there's 2.0V. This is just an observation I saw online. Saw those two numbers, 1.5V made me remember that.

Your response is muchly appreciated. Yes.



(Oh, by the way, in my research online I actually found someone else who had this same exact problem on your forums, yet that conversation ended quickly, darn: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=163778.0 )
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #3 on: 02-October-13, 18:02:53 »

This is what the board supports:

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Main Memory
• Supports two unbuffered DIMM of 1.8 Volt DDR2 667/800/1066*(OC) DRAM, 8GB Max
• Supports two unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3 800/1066/1333*(OC) DRAM, 8GB Max
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I cannot find what the * is implying.
DRAM?

I did some research there was a post of yahoo answers with some guy saying that you need a special type of DDR3 RAM. Is that true?
I also saw on some other forum, this dude stating that the OC stands for having to modify the timings of the RAM manually in the BIOS. Is that true?

Thanks for helpin out.
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #4 on: 02-October-13, 18:34:42 »

Combo boards are picky with ram especially DDR3 which has been fra from being standard at the time the board has been released.

DIMM of 1.5 Volt  DDR3 800/1066/1333*(OC) means the board supports DDR3 800 and 1066 1.5v sticks by default and according to it's controllers specs BUT DDR3 1333 is considered overclocking (* oc) and as usual with overclocking it might work or might not work depending on the individual sample. As these sticks are current sticks and your board is quite old compatibility might not be ideal. Eventually it would work with increased voltage or relaxed timings but as your board won't work with the DDR3 sticks at all you can't change settings.

An idea would be clearing cmos before retrying with just one stick as you changed from DDR2 to DDR3 and old settings could be a problem too (>>Clear CMOS Guide<<).
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #5 on: 02-October-13, 21:48:00 »

Hi, thanks for your reply.

So I did exactly what the video showed me. I cleared the CMOS using the small pin thing, and also did the upside-down battery method aswell (I never knew that doing that with the battery actually clears the CMOS too, pretty cool. Knowledge is power.) So I had the DDR2 stick in, went to the BIOS settings and "Load(ed) Optimized Defaults". Then eventually shut off the computer to trade in the DDR3 memory instead of the DDR2 memory, yet it still did the same exact thing; the motherboard beeped 3 times, and nothing happened after that.

I'm really tempted to try that second method you were talking about; changing the timing using the BIOS. Suppose that I try changing the numbers there, might the motherboard completely not work with either DDRs if I set the numbers wrong?

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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #6 on: 02-October-13, 22:10:16 »

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So I had the DDR2 stick in, went to the BIOS settings and "Load(ed) Optimized Defaults". Then eventually shut off the computer to trade in the DDR3 memory instead of the DDR2 memory, yet it still did the same exact thing;

That is excatly what you should not do as it should not boot with ddr2 before trying ddr3 after cmos reset (as it is useless then). Clear cmos and start with ddr3. Don't put the ddr2 in again or start with it.

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I'm really tempted to try that second method you were talking about; changing the timing using the BIOS. Suppose that I try changing the numbers there, might the motherboard completely not work with either DDRs if I set the numbers wrong?

You can't do that as you'd have to change settings when running with ddr3. Changes with ddr2 installed are useless.
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #7 on: 01-April-14, 04:46:07 »

I have exactly same issue. MB works fine with DDR2 2x2GB. I wanted to bump up the memory and bought ADATA 4GB DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 stick.

Has the issue of OP been resolved? It would have been helpful if OP concluded...

Wondering if there is a way to get the computer working with just DR3 1600 as I can buy anther 4GB stick (of course, remove DDR2 memory completely). If so, what timing is needed in BIOS. Thanks in advance.
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Re: MSI G41M-P33 Combo Motherboard & DDR3 Memory Issue
« Reply #8 on: 01-April-14, 18:15:49 »

I have exactly same issue. MB works fine with DDR2 2x2GB. I wanted to bump up the memory and bought ADATA 4GB DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 stick.

All has been said before. Chances with current DDR3 1600 are slim to zero.

Combo boards are picky with ram especially DDR3 which has been far from being standard at the time the board has been released.

DIMM of 1.5 Volt  DDR3 800/1066/1333*(OC) means the board supports DDR3 800 and 1066 1.5v sticks by default and according to it's controllers specs BUT DDR3 1333 is considered overclocking (* oc) and as usual with overclocking it might work or might not work depending on the individual sample. As these sticks are current sticks and your board is quite old compatibility might not be ideal. Eventually it would work with increased voltage or relaxed timings but as your board won't work with the DDR3 sticks at all you can't change settings.

An idea would be clearing cmos before retrying with just one stick as you changed from DDR2 to DDR3 and old settings could be a problem too (>>Clear CMOS Guide<<).
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