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Bits/Lites, S/W Pirates, Hacks, and Cracks
« on: 21-December-13, 08:33:51 »

Seems more and more threads are recently showing up concerning questionable practices. An easy tipoff for Bit and Lite miners is when a rather large number of graphics cards are involved. It was good to see a forum moderator the other day make it clear that the forum is not going to offer any support to posters that may or may not be involved in shady endeavors.

For the sake of argument, let's say one poster has nothing but good intent, and will be conducting everything legal. The problem with helping that one honest person is this, if he is assisted to get the machine functional, nothing will stop the bad guys from reading the thread and copying the resolve. In essence, the bad guys end up getting helped. So the policy of no help is the right policy.

How many times have we seen threads started of someone that can't remember their password? Yeah, right. That has 'stolen property' stamped all over it. Either that or the owner is a real el stupido to have forgotten it.

Last but not least, then comes the software thieves. Thanks to those morons, we are forced with install limits, mandatory online registrations to even play a game we bought and paid for. This stuff still gets hacked and cracked in spite of all the efforts to stop it and is easily available at a number of pirate sites. Some countries, which I won't openly mention, are S/W bootleggers to the extreme.

Some are snickering reading this right now on how they think they are beating the system and the honest people of this world. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits! 

And for the record, of which has nothing to do with s/w pirate activities, the definition of the user name PirateDog = one who sniffs out, hunts down, and crushes bad guys like a grape! Release the hounds! The hunt is on!
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« Reply #1 on: 26-December-13, 22:34:45 »

Excellent forum moderators explanation as to the policy here in an iX Section thread;

"As for your complaining alot of people do bitcoin and litecoin mining for bad purposes and we cannot take someone's word that they are not as there words cannot be trusted as people will not admit that oh i'm doing it to launder money or buy drugs or a hitman or whatever so its a grey area and with all the recent cases of people doing illegal stuff with them (the silk road comes to mind) that is a potential legal mine field so we are reluctant to help people do so! (you probably are not but we treat everyone the same as a potential problem (so we put that into the same area as Password hacking/cracking, illegal software ect) but if we make exceptions then it gets complicated very quickly and to avoid lawsuits and so on its off limits).

This is a user to user forum and that stance is not MSI's its this forums as its run by users to help other users (MSI HQ Users-to-Users Forum) and we are just like you and use MSI made equipment ourself's and the moderator team and admins have decided its not a good thing to help with as we would be personally responsible for helping someone with a activity that is potential illegal and would be open to court actions individually so sorry for our own protection we can not"!
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Re: Bits/Lites, S/W Pirates, Hacks, and Cracks
« Reply #2 on: 27-December-13, 00:03:44 »

thank you for adding my post to your thread piratedog I tried to explain it to the guy but he didn't get it and i was trying to be as clear as possible to avoid confusion!  :hat tip:
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Re: Bits/Lites, S/W Pirates, Hacks, and Cracks
« Reply #3 on: 27-December-13, 00:28:22 »

 :agrees: :biggthumbsup:
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Re: Bits/Lites, S/W Pirates, Hacks, and Cracks
« Reply #4 on: 27-December-13, 00:53:28 »

Piratedog and badboy,

Please explain how bit and lite mining is illegal
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« Reply #5 on: 27-December-13, 01:24:29 »

It can be/could be used for illegal endeavors, money laundering, etc., and that is enough to throw a dark cloud over it. As with most things in this world that may start out as up front and honest, somebody figures out a way to corrupt and twist it into something much different.
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Re: Bits/Lites, S/W Pirates, Hacks, and Cracks
« Reply #6 on: 27-December-13, 02:38:54 »

Mining creates (this is a simplification) cryptocurrency based upon the miner's hardware power.  You do not directly convert conventional currency into cryptocurrency by mining.  Thus, the max amount of money you could launder (and I question whether this could truly be considered laundering) by mining would be the cost of electricity used to run the hardware.  Unless you have many, many rigs running in parallel, this amount would be trivial (a 6 card rig would consume less than $300 a month).  Basically, mining is not an effective way to launder money, especially if you consider all the money that must be used to create each rig (~$2500 per 6 card rig). 

Mining is a legitimate enterprise as long as necessary taxes are paid on the capital gains from mining.  I dont see why you should mistreat miners on this forum unless you have evidence of illegal activity.  Based

Your other accusations are vague.  Please be more specific.
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« Reply #7 on: 27-December-13, 03:00:21 »

we have no evidence that people who are mining are doing it for legitimate things (we do not need to have evidence of guilt its not a court (so its not innocent till proven guilty here)) if they have total evidence that they are doing it legitimately then yes but with crypto currency can be moved through multiple wallets to hide it so even one account that shows as legitimate may not be true as its easy to get multiple ones and hide others and we do not have all the time in the world to sift through every little detail of the whole chain that a crypto coin has gone through! so it is impossible to prove either way and without a clear way of telling we have to suspect the worst as its possibly a very shady grey and murky activity!
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« Reply #8 on: 27-December-13, 03:04:26 »

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Basically, mining is not an effective way to launder money
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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=169369.msg1248209#msg1248209

6 billion laundered is not small time chump change. Probably a drop in the bucket as to what's really going on.
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« Reply #9 on: 27-December-13, 03:30:58 »

:lol_anim:

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=169369.msg1248209#msg1248209

6 billion laundered is not small time chump change. Probably a drop in the bucket as to what's really going on.

thats so true, its probably just the tip of a very big iceburg! GPU mining is not totally effective as it has a higher price tag but is the most likely to be used by criminals as its readily available and easy to get a hold of.. (company's who mine have lower power costs as they use banks upon banks of low power core processors that have much faster compute capabilities (but they are rare) then the best graphics cards but well they probably launder even more money that way)

the whole scene is getting a terrible reputation and as such we want no part of it!

hence that side as your using GPU's mostly its very likely to suspect!

to DarkAdonis: seen any MSI mining motherboards branded as such? (I certainly have not so maybe you can prove me wrong if you find one made by MSI that isn't just a 2011 that's been converted to be used that way or a gaming board again converted to do that so I also see no support from anywhere in MSI as they do not make one that is directly for the activity)
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Re: Bits/Lites, S/W Pirates, Hacks, and Cracks
« Reply #10 on: 27-December-13, 09:06:47 »

The attitude this community has taken toward mining has convinced me not to purchase any more MSI products. Yes, I'm aware that this is a user forum, but with such aggressive distrust of an endeavor that you clearly do not understand, I fear that if I ever need support for one of my products, I will be denied assistance due purely to misguided suspicion.

The underlying principles of your platform are unfounded. There is nothing inherently illicit about mining. Major companies other than MSI (ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte) have released or are developing mining specific equipment.

What I see in this community are misinformed moderators who, after reading through your many comments in these locked threads, don't even care to look a little deeper than these cherry-picked stories that illustrate what we all already know: some people do bad things.

I know I'm not going to change your mind about this, I just hope you take the time to fully research and appreciate what is happening here. You will look a lot less foolish when you're able to support your denial of assistance with accurate arguments, not just incoherent ramblings citing a few extreme cases.

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« Reply #11 on: 27-December-13, 09:37:10 »

For someone to say that the hardware layout that some system has is suspicious and probably being used for illegal activity should stop and think about the username that they have on the forums highly suggests they pirate software.  So piratedog, what's up with those warez?
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« Reply #12 on: 27-December-13, 10:19:07 »

Some companies go after market share and profit over integrity. One of the brand-x companies you mentioned falls into that category. I can hardly wait until the counterfeiters start to mint Bit and Lite coins if they see an easy simple profit in it. Major regulated banks are not likely to participate in crypto-currency exchange anytime soon, if ever.

My opinion is those involved with mining are either extremely naive or just plain evil. Some investors are into it fairly deep, so only time will tell how it all turns out. I'm still waiting to see any 'I got rich quick' stories in the news.
Maybe all the miners should create their own help forum?  :think:  Help each other out and hope somebody doesn't hack your machine and steal your mined fortune. Oh yeah, not like that hasn't already happened.  :lol_anim:   

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For someone to say that the hardware layout that some system has is suspicious and probably being used for illegal activity should stop and think about the username that they have on the forums highly suggests they pirate software.  So piratedog, what's up with those warez?

Typical moronic reply by someone that obviously didn't read the definition of PirateDog in the initial post! Here it is again for those challenged and lacking of brain power and reading skills;

"And for the record, of which it has nothing to do with s/w pirate activities, the definition of the user name PirateDog = one who sniffs out, hunts down, and crushes bad guys like a grape! Release the hounds! The hunt is on"!
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« Reply #13 on: 27-December-13, 13:11:45 »

Wow, kind of childish to resort to personal insults. You do realize that the reason the video cards are not staying on the shelves if because of miners, right. But since your making it personal, I believe the actual reason your scoffing miners is because your lazy and don't want the extra work. Which I could honestly care less about, I wouldn't ever ask anyone this forum for help anyway.

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Typical moronic reply by someone that obviously didn't read the definition of PirateDog in the initial post! Here it is again for those challenged and lacking of brain power and reading skills;
As much could be said about your knowledge of cryptocoins.
 
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My opinion is those involved with mining are either extremely naive or just plain evil.
Just because you don't understand something or dont like it doesnt make it evil or the people involved evil. One tinywebsite used it for drugs and it hit the news and thats the only reason you know about it.

You called me naive or evil because of a box that sits in my corner making me money. I'm not asking for your support and I'll never buy MSI again.   All hackers use computers there fore every thing you sell is solely used by criminals. Every one with a keyboard could be hacking the interwebs right now. and your calling me moronic. irony much. You can say what your name means but we all know your a software pirate, a well somewhat known one at that.
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« Reply #14 on: 27-December-13, 15:39:01 »

Anyone who truly wanted to get into bitcoins specifically and is using their cpu/gpu to do it at this point hasn't done their homework. At this point in time, using that hardware is very inefficient and probably costs more to mine than it provides.

If you are using it for other types of mining (lite/doge/insert other crypto here), it might be worth while. But even then you don't need this forum to figure it out.

Plain and simple, use Google and you can find your answer.
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« Reply #15 on: 27-December-13, 15:39:19 »

Well, fact is that this forum doesn't assist with mining so further discussion and insults are pointless.

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