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Hi I'm new to this forum but not in computer.
And I'm sorry for my bad english.
I'm at this forum because i discover the forum for customs bios by vet's (thank's again vet's)
I will put a watercooling in a msi-ge 70 and i thinked this is the best place to show how.

At the program:
2 Custom top for waterblock.
1 custom top for the pump.
1 custom waterblock (try to make it)
polishing for the 2 waterblock
and the best parts

2 radiator made from an original 120mm cooler master
and the watercooling will be invisible.

What i want to do is supress the air cooling. (logical)
and the dvd drive will be replace with 2 radiator.
1 at the original aircooling location and one at the dvd drive location.

For the hardware i got a seidon 120 m for 40euro.
I will used the radiator (cutted to make the 2 radiator ) the baseplate (for the gpu waterblock) and the pumpthe seidon pump or a X-Fan dc brushless if needed.(2 of the  3 or 4 tops that a talking you before)

I will complete this post when i got time to really show you all my idea.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #1 on: 07-June-14, 03:39:13 »

Some news this week end.
destroyed the seidon 120 m to get the part's and really begin design.


The base will be polish when it's time to put the watercooling in the laptop.




And need some homemade tool to separate the pump from the copper base ;-))


And finaly get the copper block :shocked:


cooler master too much screw the base.
Copper fins was twisted  :biggthumbsdown:
But i didn't interfere with the normal work of the maze.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #2 on: 07-June-14, 03:40:51 »

I think i will use this block for the cpu.
And now I begin the top of cpu block
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #3 on: 07-June-14, 05:31:39 »

got the copper for the gpu homemade waterblock



but now i going tu cut the plexi top for cpu waterblock.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #4 on: 07-June-14, 08:07:10 »

Great idea. Never thought/seen watercooled gaming laptop :D Good luck  :biggthumbsup:
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #5 on: 07-June-14, 20:36:43 »

All I'm going to say is good luck.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #6 on: 08-June-14, 21:44:38 »

Hi

thank's I know it's not easy.
I know i can put the complete watercooling in it (get all mesure from my ge 70 today)

but the challenge are to get less noise and temp.
This is the most dificult part.
With lot's of time I can make all part, but performance will be her?

If you have some idea do not hesitate.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #7 on: 08-June-14, 22:08:08 »

I'll give you some drawing tonight returning.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #8 on: 09-June-14, 11:26:44 »

your lucky guy.
Get some radiator po**



And a very quick pic to understand my idea.


The CPU WATERBLOCK need more reflection because of this probleme.

the cpu is in the place where the lid down

And i gegin to work on this


The unpolished side


finished today with this (this is the fins side no need to be mirror finished)




And this is the final idea for the gpu waterblock.
What are you thinking?



The orange is the fins area.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #9 on: 09-June-14, 12:15:01 »

Don't believe that radiator will fit in the DVD drive space but.. :)
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #10 on: 09-June-14, 12:39:38 »

The Radiator will be cut to make 2 radiator. (1 radiator to replace the original one for cpu and the dvd driver radiator for the gpu)
With the height of the dvd driver.
And to i will put 2 "layer" to get a flat radiator but with a thickness of 2 or 3 radiator (you understand? :shocked:)
if not i can give a beautifull schematics


 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #11 on: 09-June-14, 13:10:55 »

Nah I see how you're gonna do it :)

What about fans?
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #12 on: 09-June-14, 13:26:16 »

Good question.
I Wanted to get a second geniun ge 70 fans.
But it was 68$ without international shipping.
I know a site (already buy with them ) that sell some laptop fans but didn't get time to really looks for that.
You know a website that sell some laptop fan for cheap?
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #13 on: 09-June-14, 15:43:06 »

Nope. I am person with desktop :)
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #14 on: 09-June-14, 21:40:31 »

Me too. ;D
I got the laptop for free :rolleyes:
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #15 on: 10-June-14, 09:57:52 »

Nobody was interested by the project.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #16 on: 10-June-14, 15:46:47 »

im interest into to see this project, but i have no experience with custom cooler modification and such things
maybe Darkhawk can give you some advices, as he is skilled in those things too
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #17 on: 10-June-14, 21:50:56 »

Yesterday I see this

A dell inspiron fan(new)

http://www.banggood.com/CPU-Cooling-Fan-For-Dell-Inspiron-17R-N7110-64C85-p-925654.html
the only one that be released in 2012 on this site.
And this hose

want it in 6mm id and 8 mm od diameter.(the original radiator have 5 mm hole)

http://www.banggood.com/Silicone-Vacuum-Hose-Turbo-Radiator-Rubber-Air-Vac-Pipe-3M-p-924360.html
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #18 on: 11-June-14, 10:36:36 »

buy hose and fan.

Bad news the cooler master pump did not fit in the dvd drive.
But the xfan pump are already on the way.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #19 on: 11-June-14, 13:41:42 »

I really want to see it done :) + temps  :pompom:
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #20 on: 12-June-14, 08:46:47 »

Me too
I want 20° c for gpu and 28 for cpu at idle and 60° c for gpu and 55 for cpu at full charge (occt).
I complicate the challenge but this is really exciting.
This is the temps i want but if i cant get these temp but get better than stock i will be very very happy.
Tonight i will work on fins for the gpu waterblock.
For the direction, sens,lenght....
I have an idea about the fins.
1 normal fins 1 drilled fins 1 normal fins to get perturbation.
For 2.8 i need to drill a lot's.
What do you think?
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« Reply #21 on: 12-June-14, 08:58:07 »

Well I don't own a custom loop so I can't really comment on the drilling for the fins.. but I wish you good luck with this.

I am planning custom loop though for my GPU (h80i on cpu already).
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #22 on: 12-June-14, 09:18:23 »

hum
You can change the radiator to put a 240 and a gpu waterblock.but you keep the h80 pump.
Seen a guy doing this with the seidon 120 m on google.
And another on a h60.

I think : the fins are very close (like micro channel) the drilled one are between the 2 normal.
This will make perturbation.
The angle that I will drilled the fins can do different pertubation.

 ;-))edit: I got an idea for the cpu waterblock.
Because of it's height it can't fit.(with the plexi top) BUT
if i cut some copper i can make a top with 5mm plexi.
And use Arametal to "glue" it to the top.
And the top can get fixation job too. X-((

too much idea in my head.
Don't have time to writte down
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #23 on: 12-June-14, 10:05:07 »

the copper foil has a thickness of 0.40 mm
with 5mm height i got 54 fins
thinking the space between fins are good at 0.50mm
but when a calculate thickness of 54 fins i got  18.9mm (1.89 cm?) and the space 21.6mm (2.1cm?)
the total is 40.5 mm(4.05cm)

I need to cover 29mm surface
I'm not sur about units I use.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #24 on: 12-June-14, 20:00:01 »

the copper foil has a thickness of 0.40 mm
with 5mm height i got 54 fins
thinking the space between fins are good at 0.50mm
but when a calculate thickness of 54 fins i got  18.9mm (1.89 cm?) and the space 21.6mm (2.1cm?)
the total is 40.5 mm(4.05cm)

I need to cover 29mm surface
I'm not sur about units I use.

Well, I'll finally throw my opinion out there.....just because.

Why are you doing this? I mean, it's a laptop....you're pretty much killing any chance of it being a portable device by doing this. Especially on a GE70 because it just doesn't have the extra space anywhere inside to do anything internally. A GT70 would have proven a better choice, and sacrificing one of the 2.5" HDD bays for a radiator/fan combination....

Also, lets be a little bit realistic about temperatures. Lets assume your ambient temperature is 20C. That's pretty normal for most homes. If you're lucky, you'll manage to get about 25C at idle on the CPU (possibly lower on the GPU if it's inactive).
Under a heavy load I'm sure you can achieve better temperatures than even my custom cooler, assuming you're using some external radiator and stand to hold everything. But that leads me back to my first point, why do it to a laptop and remove the portability when you could do it to a desktop?

If you're truly intending this to be a portable device after the modifications, I'm doubting that you'll be able to keep everything as cool as you might hope. There just isn't enough space for a reservoir, radiator, and pump.

As for  your calculations.....
Assuming that you're using 54 fins at a thickness of 0.4mm, that's a total cross sectional length of 21.6mm. Now, in order to have 54 fins, you'd need space on each side of the fins. That indicates you'd need 55 spaces at 0.5mm according to your post. That's a total distance of 27.5mm. Add the 2 together and you have a total cross sectional length of 49.1mm. Much larger than your 29mm.
In order to make one that is close to 29mm, you'd need to use 32 fins and this would actually put you at 29.3mm cross sectional length. NOTE:This does not include the outter wall of the radiator/heat block enclosure....this is just the distance needed in order to make that space. Some adjustment would be needed in order to determine the right distance.

This doesn't even begin to take into account the flow of the system and how much that will impact how cool everything is.

I'd also like to note that the only reason I know anything about this is because I've done a bit of it in my spare time, as well as at work. I'm an electrical engineer by trade that needs to also work in mechanical realms as well, so knowing a little bit of information about everything really helps provide reality in what is possible and what isn't possible.

Again, don't let this discourage you. I'd love to see what you can come up with. Prove me wrong, I'd be happy if you did. I just don't understand what the point is, unless you're just doing it because you enjoy doing it. If that's the case, carry on and best of luck!

Again, the whole reason I didn't comment is because I didn't want to 'rain on your parade'. It's a neat concept, and I've seen a few people actually make portable laptops with water cooling built in. BUT....they also didn't have a dedicated video card pumping out 100watts of power to cool either.
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #25 on: 14-June-14, 01:35:05 »

I want to try because it's exciting.For temp and for noise.
I know svet's can made a custom ec to get less noise but i want to try watercooling too
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #26 on: 18-June-14, 10:57:14 »

pump received






need little trimming to go on the dvd drive.

But I'm working on the gpu waterblock
can go to 73 fins now with 3.8 cm lenght and 3mm height with 0.5 mm space because now i will use arametal and not a seal.
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« Reply #27 on: 30-June-14, 12:30:04 »

project are in pose for the this week or a litte moment. (waiting the hose and fan to continue).
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« Reply #28 on: 18-August-14, 06:10:19 »

Fan and hose received.
With other aluminium radiator (car) and other cool stuff.
More when i get time

I'm waiting my 3d printer.
Sended the 25 july from Miami and i didn't received yet
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #29 on: 17-September-14, 11:07:07 »

Restart of the project

received my 3d printer .
Need some calibration to print my waterblocks top .
Give picture of the future gpu waterblock soon (with different design)
waterblock designed on solid works!!!!
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #30 on: 14-November-14, 11:09:17 »

Continuing the project.
Got my 3d printer ready and today I receive my PLA filament with a nice surprise from IMPRIMANTE3D FRANCE.
I get 3 filaments sample:
I think 5meter of ninaj flex
5 m of taulman t-galss and 5m nuclear green ABS.
See my picture now after long lasting I had time for the project. And you will get picture soon.





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« Reply #31 on: 14-November-14, 11:17:13 »

And the printer
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Re: Fully integrated watercooling on msi GE-70 2OE
« Reply #32 on: 14-November-14, 19:36:19 »

Interesting. What model is it?

I recently bought a XYZ Printing Da Vinci 1.0, and have begun modding the crap out of it (new custom firmware, and I have a new hotend that I just got today, along with all the parts to install it to litterally double the precision of the x and y axises during printing). I'm quite happy with it.

I can't wait to start using the Ninjaflex. PLA material is....well...personally, PLA is crap. It's too weak compared to ABS. At least in my opinion. It also tends to deform under heat and sunlight. Just something else I'd mention. ABS won't deform (not nearly as much anyway) in direct sunlight.
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« Reply #33 on: 15-November-14, 08:46:37 »

Hi  this is a One up printer. Very precise printer out of the box.The PLA is good I tested it to a temperatur of 90° it didn't deform.
And if needed i will use the nuclear green ABS (for waiting the red abs for the mod) if the PLA give me some probleme for gpu and cpu top.
This is my first roll of PLA need a lot's of mod to be more precise.
The ninja flex is the moste exciting filament I receive.
Need a mod to use it on my printer.
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« Reply #34 on: 15-November-14, 19:17:13 »

My experience with PLA is that it will deform under heat after a period of time. It might take a week, but it will happen, especially in sunlight.
I guess since you aren't going to be putting it in sunlight it might last longer though.
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« Reply #35 on: 16-November-14, 00:18:44 »

Oh it's good to know.
But if it will deform I can't use it for m'y 3 top. ( pump.GPU block ans CPU)
Need to get red ABS ( I HAVE THE HEATED UPGRADE BED)
I will use the pla for the development of the mod.
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« Reply #36 on: 22-November-14, 20:17:29 »

Yeah, I would stick to ABS for anything that is going to be around heat. PLA will start to deform at around 90C. That's what the heated beds are usually set to during the first layer of printing (in most cases anyway....or right around 90C).
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