Topic: AMD Ryzen memory support (Read 260048 times)

xfxp1384 · « **Reply #450 on:** 06-July-17, 21:50:23 »

@kaisersolo @dashhawk

Forget about my previous post, here goes another update. just like what I experienced with the previous BETA v1.62, after I left home for a couple of hours, came back and turned on my PC, then it started beeping again.

So as a result, no matter what I do [Cmos clear, A-XMP Profile 1 or 2, OC or no OC, manual timing setup], it still won't boot at 3200Mhz.. I'm sad again now..

it's fine with 2933 Mhz though.

charles.earl · « **Reply #451 on:** 07-July-17, 00:04:07 »

I just bought Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 ver4.31 16-18-18-36 @ 1.35V after learning it is a Samsung B-Die kit and finally I am now at 3200 RAM and 3.9 GHz on my 1600X. Fully stable. Both on the new BIOS V17 and on the old one V15 for my Gaming Pro Carbon X370 board. This was without touching any voltage in the BIOS. Set the CPU to 3.9 and the RAM to 3200 under TRY IT and it passes all stress tests I can throw at it.

My other kit of the identical part number was tagged as version 5.39. They would NOT go over 2667 at any timings what so ever. I confirm with Tyhpoon Burner app that they were in fact Hynix DRAM M-Die. That is why they will not work.

Can I get an Ahmen?!?!?

I was tipped off in the last post from this AMD Blog on getting performance with 3200 RAM...

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

See the comment at the very bottom after the Blog.

Charles.

richmund · « **Reply #452 on:** 07-July-17, 01:32:37 »

[font="Segoe UI", sans-serif]I just updated BIOS 1.6 on my TOMAHAWK and finally I'm on 3200 MHz with my Corsair [/font]CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 by using the A-XMP 1 profile. But it sets the CPU fan speed really high – it becomes noisy. When I try to adjust the fan speed profile in BIOS it won’t post and sets the RAM speed back to 2133Mhz. Any idea how to tackle this?

RemusM · « **Reply #453 on:** 07-July-17, 02:09:40 »

Quote from: charles.earl on 07-July-17, 07:04:07

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

Pay attention to (5) + Footnote and (8).

(5): For speed grades greater than DDR4-2667, please refer to a motherboard vendor’s memory QVL list. Each motherboard vendor tests specific speeds, modules, and capacities for their motherboards, and can help you find a memory pairing that works well. It is important you stick to this list for the best and most reliable results.

Footnote: Overclocking memory will void any applicable AMD product warranty, even if such overclocking is enabled via AMD hardware and/or software.

sarahandkevin2009 · « **Reply #454 on:** 08-July-17, 11:03:23 »

looking for anyone that shares the same system specs as me, after my first failed attempt at overclocking ram i would feel more comfortable if i know someone with the exact same specs has achieved an overclock of the ram

at the moment my ram is running at 2133mhz it failed when i tried to overclock it to 3200mhz

my system specs

amd ryzen 1600 stock
msi b350 tomahawk with 7A34v16 bios (E7A34AMS.160)
corsair vengeance lpx 2 x 8gb (16gb) ddr4 3200mhz with a manufacturer code of CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

would be nice to get my 3200mhz ram closer to 3200mhz, i suppose i may not achieve 3200mhz but close to that would be nice, and the steps you took to get the overclock too would be helpful

any help appreciated

darkhawk · « **Reply #455 on:** 08-July-17, 11:50:33 »

Quote from: sarahandkevin2009 on 08-July-17, 18:03:23

looking for anyone that shares the same system specs as me, after my first failed attempt at overclocking ram i would feel more comfortable if i know someone with the exact same specs has achieved an overclock of the ram

at the moment my ram is running at 2133mhz it failed when i tried to overclock it to 3200mhz

my system specs

amd ryzen 1600 stock
msi b350 tomahawk with 7A34v16 bios (E7A34AMS.160)
corsair vengeance lpx 2 x 8gb (16gb) ddr4 3200mhz with a manufacturer code of CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

would be nice to get my 3200mhz ram closer to 3200mhz, i suppose i may not achieve 3200mhz but close to that would be nice, and the steps you took to get the overclock too would be helpful

any help appreciated

Have you tried any other memory timings? Like setting it to 2933? What about 2667?
Have you tried changing voltages? NB/SoC and DRAM?
There's an overclocking guide that can help with that in the overclocking section.

sarahandkevin2009 · « **Reply #456 on:** 08-July-17, 11:55:02 »

the only thing i did the other day was attempt to overclock it to 3200mhz through dram frequency i think it was, this is all confusing to me which is why if someone has the exact same setup as me and wants to help me overclock my ram to 3200mhz or 2933mhz it would be real helpful as i have no idea what i am doing

just to change the dram frequency i needed help the other day as i was not sure which buttons i should and should not press

should i try memory try it option in the overclock menus? would that be the safest option to use, i did read that overclock help post, it is easy enough to follow i suppose but i am not sure if it is for me as i have a different motherboard and ram

darkhawk · « **Reply #457 on:** 08-July-17, 15:40:05 »

Quote from: sarahandkevin2009 on 08-July-17, 18:55:02

the only thing i did the other day was attempt to overclock it to 3200mhz through dram frequency i think it was, this is all confusing to me which is why if someone has the exact same setup as me and wants to help me overclock my ram to 3200mhz or 2933mhz it would be real helpful as i have no idea what i am doing

just to change the dram frequency i needed help the other day as i was not sure which buttons i should and should not press

should i try memory try it option in the overclock menus? would that be the safest option to use, i did read that overclock help post, it is easy enough to follow i suppose but i am not sure if it is for me as i have a different motherboard and ram

See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0
That's the overclocking guide. Read it once or twice. The motherboard used isn't the exact same, but it's close and should have a similar BIOS setup procedure and a similar look.
That should get you started on it.

sarahandkevin2009 · « **Reply #458 on:** 09-July-17, 02:16:07 »

right well i overclocked the ram successfully last night but this morning i had to change it back to 2133mhz from 2933mhz as it was clearly not stable as when i first turned the computer on it restarted about 3 times before it boot into windows

all i did was change the dram frequency, i did not change any voltages as i do not feel safe changing voltages because while the bios screen looks the same we do not have the same motherboard? but in my menu i do see cpu nb voltage and dram voltage i just want to provided with a voltage i should be using myself, i do not want to reduce the life length of my system, if you can reccomend me voltages and a dram frequency that would not reduce the life length of my system that would be appreciated

also last night after i had overclocked the ram the cpu fan speed was double what it usually is, why is that if i am only overclocking the dram frequency, it went from about 1000 to 2000 rpm after the change in dram frequency

josito_rox · « **Reply #459 on:** 09-July-17, 03:01:53 »

What's happening with the b350 tomahawk artic bios?

First of all, my setup:
Ryzen 5 1600
MSI b350 Tomahawk Artic
16 GB corsair LPX 3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (which is listed as 3200 compatible)
MSI armor GTX 1080
Thermaltake Smart DPS G 700W 80 Plus Bronze Modular

Seriously, every bios update make my setup more unstable since 1.3 (7A34vH3).

I can perfectly run on 2933 with 1.3 without any problem, and 3200 100% stable when system boot, but sometimes it need 2-3 restart to boot, so i was staying on 2933 for easier boot

But with 1.4 or 1.5 i cant manage to get 2933 stable, it would sometimes boot, sometimes not, and 3200 is just impossible, never boots, well, maybe im not 100% accurate with this last statement, with 1.5 it boots with a-xmp profile to 3200, but the ram shows 2133 on bios and windows, but the xmp 1 profile is enabled with 3200 supposed speed...

Any help with 1.5 or i'll have to go back to 1.3 (again)?

darkhawk · « **Reply #460 on:** 09-July-17, 06:19:42 »

Quote from: sarahandkevin2009 on 09-July-17, 09:16:07

right well i overclocked the ram successfully last night but this morning i had to change it back to 2133mhz from 2933mhz as it was clearly not stable as when i first turned the computer on it restarted about 3 times before it boot into windows

all i did was change the dram frequency, i did not change any voltages as i do not feel safe changing voltages because while the bios screen looks the same we do not have the same motherboard? but in my menu i do see cpu nb voltage and dram voltage i just want to provided with a voltage i should be using myself, i do not want to reduce the life length of my system, if you can reccomend me voltages and a dram frequency that would not reduce the life length of my system that would be appreciated

also last night after i had overclocked the ram the cpu fan speed was double what it usually is, why is that if i am only overclocking the dram frequency, it went from about 1000 to 2000 rpm after the change in dram frequency

That guide recommends voltages that are still well within safe limits.
If you don't want to believe that, search around online and compare what others say as well.
These voltages are within the limits that AMD itself recommends. We wouldn't really be that good of people if we recommended unsafe voltage levels for chips, would we?
NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V and DRAM voltage to 1.4V is perfectly fine.

MSI has implemented a fan speed increase anytime the RAM frequency is above 2750 MHz to help combat with any extra heat that is generated. It's not documented (at this time, as far as I'm aware), but it does exist. This is why your fan speed increased after changing the DRAM frequency.

darkhawk · « **Reply #461 on:** 09-July-17, 06:21:46 »

Quote from: josito_rox on 09-July-17, 10:01:53

What's happening with the b350 tomahawk artic bios?

First of all, my setup:
Ryzen 5 1600
MSI b350 Tomahawk Artic
16 GB corsair LPX 3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (which is listed as 3200 compatible)
MSI armor GTX 1080
Thermaltake Smart DPS G 700W 80 Plus Bronze Modular

Seriously, every bios update make my setup more unstable since 1.3 (7A34vH3).

I can perfectly run on 2933 with 1.3 without any problem, and 3200 100% stable when system boot, but sometimes it need 2-3 restart to boot, so i was staying on 2933 for easier boot

But with 1.4 or 1.5 i cant manage to get 2933 stable, it would sometimes boot, sometimes not, and 3200 is just impossible, never boots, well, maybe im not 100% accurate with this last statement, with 1.5 it boots with a-xmp profile to 3200, but the ram shows 2133 on bios and windows, but the xmp 1 profile is enabled with 3200 supposed speed...

Any help with 1.5 or i'll have to go back to 1.3 (again)?

Did you follow the procedure outlined within the first post of the BETA BIOS thread when flashing? Many users ignore it and then have issues like this.....

If not, you could try a CMOS reset to see if that can help resolve the issue.

Otherwise, I might suggest reflashing the BIOS using the procedure in the first post to ensure all configuration happens properly.

josito_rox · « **Reply #462 on:** 09-July-17, 09:13:12 »

Quote from: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 13:21:46

Did you follow the procedure outlined within the first post of the BETA BIOS thread when flashing? Many users ignore it and then have issues like this.....

If not, you could try a CMOS reset to see if that can help resolve the issue.

Otherwise, I might suggest reflashing the BIOS using the procedure in the first post to ensure all configuration happens properly.

Im not using a BETA bios, only using official release...

But, anyways, should i reset bios to default and then flash the 1.5 again? :/

darkhawk · « **Reply #463 on:** 09-July-17, 11:51:30 »

You could give it a try.

Another option might be to reset to defaults, and just reflash the BIOS you have currently installed. Maybe that will help the situation.

et3rupp · « **Reply #464 on:** 10-July-17, 15:32:45 »

Hello,

So I just updated to the newest BIOS from 6/23 for Pro Gaming Carbon X370 with Ryzen 5 1600, and I am running Corsair Vengeance 2 DIMMS total of 16Ghz 3200MHZ @ 16/18/18/18/36. (still using stock cooler as well)

I was successfully able to boot up at 3200 Mhz finally with this update, but I am unable to tighten the memory speeds at all or manually adjust the Memory voltage (tried to do 1.36V on accepts AUTO)

Second fallout to this update is that now I am unable to overclock my CPU past 3400 no matter the Core voltage or SOC voltage.
However, I was able to overclock using AMD Ryzen Master to 3700 stable @ 1.33 Core Voltage and 1.2 SOC voltage. The caveat is that it resets my memory speed back to 2933MHZ.

I guess my final test should be if I can overclock to 3700 through the bios and hold 2933mhz like I was able to do before.

Has anyone else had similar issues with this recent update? or how can I make it hold 3200Mhz with my 3700 CPU Overclock? I was so excited when I finally got 3200 now I'm back to being sad :(

kaisersolo · « **Reply #465 on:** 11-July-17, 04:37:57 »

Quote from: et3rupp on 10-July-17, 22:32:45

Hello,

So I just updated to the newest BIOS from 6/23 for Pro Gaming Carbon X370 with Ryzen 5 1600, and I am running Corsair Vengeance 2 DIMMS total of 16Ghz 3200MHZ @ 16/18/18/18/36. (still using stock cooler as well)

I was successfully able to boot up at 3200 Mhz finally with this update, but I am unable to tighten the memory speeds at all or manually adjust the Memory voltage (tried to do 1.36V on accepts AUTO)

Second fallout to this update is that now I am unable to overclock my CPU past 3400 no matter the Core voltage or SOC voltage.
However, I was able to overclock using AMD Ryzen Master to 3700 stable @ 1.33 Core Voltage and 1.2 SOC voltage. The caveat is that it resets my memory speed back to 2933MHZ.

I guess my final test should be if I can overclock to 3700 through the bios and hold 2933mhz like I was able to do before.

Has anyone else had similar issues with this recent update? or how can I make it hold 3200Mhz with my 3700 CPU Overclock? I was so excited when I finally got 3200 now I'm back to being sad :(

Which version of Corsair vengence lpx 3200 do you have - v5.39 Or do you have the b-die version - it tells you on the ram stick

kaktooz · « **Reply #466 on:** 11-July-17, 18:58:20 »

Quote from: et3rupp on 10-July-17, 22:32:45

Hello,

So I just updated to the newest BIOS from 6/23 for Pro Gaming Carbon X370 with Ryzen 5 1600, and I am running Corsair Vengeance 2 DIMMS total of 16Ghz 3200MHZ @ 16/18/18/18/36. (still using stock cooler as well)

I was successfully able to boot up at 3200 Mhz finally with this update, but I am unable to tighten the memory speeds at all or manually adjust the Memory voltage (tried to do 1.36V on accepts AUTO)

Second fallout to this update is that now I am unable to overclock my CPU past 3400 no matter the Core voltage or SOC voltage.
However, I was able to overclock using AMD Ryzen Master to 3700 stable @ 1.33 Core Voltage and 1.2 SOC voltage. The caveat is that it resets my memory speed back to 2933MHZ.

I guess my final test should be if I can overclock to 3700 through the bios and hold 2933mhz like I was able to do before.

Has anyone else had similar issues with this recent update? or how can I make it hold 3200Mhz with my 3700 CPU Overclock? I was so excited when I finally got 3200 now I'm back to being sad :(

Got different board, but exactly same issue :

CPU : Ryzen 7 1700
mobo : MSI B350M Gaming Pro
ram : Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 RAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit - Red CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R
current bios : 2.7

Ram is working fine now (3200Mhz ) , and whole system is rock-stable, but i can't OC my CPU over 3.4ghz now - i had my cpu OC'ed to 3.8Ghz and stable 3.7ghz with good temps with stock cooler before when on BIOS 2.6 ;/

xfxp1384 · « **Reply #467 on:** 12-July-17, 01:56:04 »

Quote from: kaisersolo on 11-July-17, 11:37:57

Which version of Corsair vengence lpx 3200 do you have - v5.39 Or do you have the b-die version - it tells you on the ram stick

I think I have the v5.39, the one with SK Hynix M-die, which never gets 3200Mhz, though I had it working twice so far, [ v 1.62 Beta and v 1.60 Official] then it didn't last long and started beeping, so I'm doing 2933 Mhz instead.

Currently using B350 Tomahawk.

et3rupp · « **Reply #468 on:** 12-July-17, 13:44:48 »

Quote from: kaisersolo on 11-July-17, 11:37:57

Which version of Corsair vengence lpx 3200 do you have - v5.39 Or do you have the b-die version - it tells you on the ram stick

I have the v5.39, what effect does this have on my situation?

et3rupp · « **Reply #469 on:** 12-July-17, 13:50:23 »

Ah ok I just did a little bit of research and saw that Ryzen prefers the Samsung B-die. Still not sure if that would be the cause or if just an issue with the BIOS update. hmmm.

jbeukenboom87 · « **Reply #470 on:** 13-July-17, 11:05:32 »

Quote from: charles.earl on 07-July-17, 07:04:07

I just bought Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 ver4.31 16-18-18-36 @ 1.35V after learning it is a Samsung B-Die kit and finally I am now at 3200 RAM and 3.9 GHz on my 1600X. Fully stable. Both on the new BIOS V17 and on the old one V15 for my Gaming Pro Carbon X370 board. This was without touching any voltage in the BIOS. Set the CPU to 3.9 and the RAM to 3200 under TRY IT and it passes all stress tests I can throw at it.

My other kit of the identical part number was tagged as version 5.39. They would NOT go over 2667 at any timings what so ever. I confirm with Tyhpoon Burner app that they were in fact Hynix DRAM M-Die. That is why they will not work.

Can I get an Ahmen?!?!?

I was tipped off in the last post from this AMD Blog on getting performance with 3200 RAM...

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

See the comment at the very bottom after the Blog.

Charles.

Charles, thank you so much for this information! I downloaded Thaiphoon and found out that the 3200Mhz kit that I have (same exact as yours) is in fact Hynix chips. No wonder I've been having such a hard time trying to get this RAM running at 3200Mhz, With the official May BIOS (B350 Tomahawk Arctic) A-XMP profile 1 worked at 3000Mhz, but now with the latest BIOS update, including the beta, they switched both profiles to 3200Mhz and I cannot run 3000MHz, anymore. Oh well, I can only hope that over time, Hynix chips will be properly supported.

xfxp1384 · « **Reply #471 on:** 13-July-17, 18:45:07 »

Quote from: jbeukenboom87 on 13-July-17, 18:05:32

Charles, thank you so much for this information! I downloaded Thaiphoon and found out that the 3200Mhz kit that I have (same exact as yours) is in fact Hynix chips. No wonder I've been having such a hard time trying to get this RAM running at 3200Mhz, With the official May BIOS (B350 Tomahawk Arctic) A-XMP profile 1 worked at 3000Mhz, but now with the latest BIOS update, including the beta, they switched both profiles to 3200Mhz and I cannot run 3000MHz, anymore. Oh well, I can only hope that over time, Hynix chips will be properly supported.

I am so glad that I found out I'm not the only one who's having the exact same issue.

the best I can get is 2933Mhz, I gave up on both 3066 and 3200 Mhz. Hopefully we can get the full XMP support in the future

johnson_robert_roy · « **Reply #472 on:** 15-July-17, 09:09:09 »

I purchased a brand new Corsair Dominator 16GB set CMD16GX4M2B3000C15 Version 5.39 to go with my MSI X370 Gaming pro (NOT the carbon) and AMD RYZEN 1800X. I have tried every Northbridge voltage available and every combination of settings as well as XMP and various DIMM voltage settings. I absolutely can not get the memory past 2133MHZ. In a last ditch effort I tried the latest BETA BIOs but sadly it's a 'no-go'.

richmund · « **Reply #473 on:** 16-July-17, 00:35:16 »

[font="Segoe UI", sans-serif]Anyone had a similar experience about CPU fan and RAM overclock? I'm on: [/font]MSI B350 Tomahawk, CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Corsair 16GB (ver. 5.39), Ryzen 1600
With BIOS 1.6 I was able to get to 3200MHz with the stock ryzen wraith cooler, running stable but at some times it had boot problems (boot loop). I reverted back to 3066MHz and had no problems. Already at that point I realized that once on 3200MHz I cant touch the fan speed settings in BIOS otherwise I won't be able to get to 3200MHz. When I was at 3066MHz I was able to set my own fan speeds.
And then I changed the stock cooler to Noctua [font="Segoe UI", sans-serif]NOCTUA NH-U12S SE-AM4. My CPU temperatures decreased by 10-15C. But...I'm not able to run the RAM even at 3066MHz as it gets boot loop. Only stable speed is 2933MHz. How does the CPU fan affect the ram overclock? What can I try to get back to 3066MHz at least?[/font]

charles.earl · « **Reply #474 on:** 17-July-17, 11:19:18 »

Quote from: richmund on 16-July-17, 07:35:16

Anyone had a similar experience about CPU fan and RAM overclock? I'm on: MSI B350 Tomahawk, CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Corsair 16GB (ver. 5.39), Ryzen 1600
With BIOS 1.6 I was able to get to 3200MHz with the stock ryzen wraith cooler, running stable but at some times it had boot problems (boot loop). I reverted back to 3066MHz and had no problems. Already at that point I realized that once on 3200MHz I cant touch the fan speed settings in BIOS otherwise I won't be able to get to 3200MHz. When I was at 3066MHz I was able to set my own fan speeds.
And then I changed the stock cooler to Noctua NOCTUA NH-U12S SE-AM4. My CPU temperatures decreased by 10-15C. But...I'm not able to run the RAM even at 3066MHz as it gets boot loop. Only stable speed is 2933MHz. How does the CPU fan affect the ram overclock? What can I try to get back to 3066MHz at least?

Those are Hynix M-Die

I would try using the TRY IT setting in the BIOS of 2667 at 15-17-17-35 @ 1.35v or whatever is closest under TRY IT.

C.

richmund · « **Reply #475 on:** 18-July-17, 02:48:53 »

I had a typo in the type of the RAM its 3200MHz RAM not 3000. I was using both try it as well as A-XMP profile and also manual settings. The problem is that the speed of the CPU fan affects the ability to overclock. Despite the fact that the fan increase does not lower the CPU temp. If I load max CPU fan speed it prevents the bios loop on startup. And as the stock cooler has more RPM I can achieve better RAM OC results with Wraith then with Noctua cooler despite the fact that with Noctua my CPU temp is 15C lower.

lkt01070 · « **Reply #476 on:** 20-July-17, 13:43:02 »

I just bought a MSI B350 Tomahawk + GSkill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz ram with it. I am disappointed that I could not run the system with 3200Mhz despite the ram is listed in the QVL of the motherboard specifically with 3200Mhz support.

The ram is
[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]F4-3200C16D-16GVRB, it's Hynix M-die.[/font][/font]
I tried contacting MSI support a few days ago but I got no response so far.

Shouldn't the ram at least be able to run at QVL'd speed which is 3200Mhz? I bought that ram and this mobo specifically because they were on the QVL.

darkhawk · « **Reply #477 on:** 20-July-17, 14:59:09 »

I'm not sure how many times this has to be repeated.....

Just because your RAM does 3200 MHz, doesn't mean the rest of the computer can. Do YOU know for 100% certainty that your CPU's IMC can handle running at 3200 MHz?

Plain and simple, you are overclocking the IMC. Much like overclocking the CPU, some might get lucky and get 3200 MHz, or even higher, while others might only hit 2667 MHz.

AMD only guarantees 2667 MHz at the most, in a very specific configuration. See the first post.

lkt01070 · « **Reply #478 on:** 20-July-17, 21:40:07 »

Quote from: darkhawk on 20-July-17, 21:59:09

I'm not sure how many times this has to be repeated..... Just because your RAM does 3200 MHz, doesn't mean the rest of the computer can. Do YOU know for 100% certainty that your CPU's IMC can handle running at 3200 MHz? Plain and simple, you are overclocking the IMC. Much like overclocking the CPU, some might get lucky and get 3200 MHz, or even higher, while others might only hit 2667 MHz. AMD only guarantees 2667 MHz at the most, in a very specific configuration. See the first post.

Thanks for the reply.

You don't need to repeat, since I have read the first post.

The point was this specific ram was listed in Ryzen series QVL and on the list it specifically said it supports 3200Mhz. No mention of this IMC silicon lottery that you MIGHT not get 3200Mhz.

How do you proof it was the IMC's/RAM/other component's fault, not the motherboard's fault which advertised in their QVL that this memory will work in 3200Mhz with Ryzen series CPU?

This basically means the QVL MSI has is worthless. It should not have been advertised as supported in the first place, since it is still a gamble.

To me that is false advertising. That actually lead me to buy this board with this memory since other B350 boards does not have this memory listed in the QVL for 3200Mhz (Some put 2933, for example).

darkhawk · « **Reply #479 on:** 20-July-17, 21:49:46 »

Quote from: lkt01070 on 21-July-17, 04:40:07

Thanks for the reply.

You don't need to repeat, since I have read the first post.

The point was this specific ram was listed in Ryzen series QVL and on the list it specifically said it supports 3200Mhz. No mention of this IMC silicon lottery that you MIGHT not get 3200Mhz.

How do you proof it was the IMC's/RAM/other component's fault, not the motherboard's fault which advertised in their QVL that this memory will work in 3200Mhz with Ryzen series CPU?

This basically means the QVL MSI has is worthless. It should not have been advertised as supported in the first place, since it is still a gamble.

To me that is false advertising. That actually lead me to buy this board with this memory since other B350 boards does not have this memory listed in the QVL for 3200Mhz (Some put 2933, for example).

No. The board does support it.

And again, don't know how many times it needs to get repeated.....WHY WOULD YOU BLAME MSI FOR SOMETHING THAT AMD DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEMSELVES?

I don't know why everyone has this huge issue understanding that the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU. It's not like there is a northbridge that controls the memory anymore on the motherboard. In fact, outside of carrying the data from the memory to the CPU, the only other thing the motherboard does is set the timing.....but wait, even that comes from the memory themselves and AMD (since AMD controls how the IMC is setup.....). So again, where does MSI have any control over anything here?

It sucks you can't get 3200 MHz. It sucks that the QVL lists it at 3200 MHz. Maybe they did hit it when they did the QVL, nearly 8 months ago now. Back when I'm sure AMD was sending all the OEM's cherry picked CPU's that had the best overclocking capabilities.
But the reality is, if AMD guaranteed 3200 MHz, it'd be a different story. As it stands, they only guarantee up to 2667 in a specific situation, and less in all others. Does that mean the CPU can't do it? No, you might get lucky and get one that can do 4133 MHz. Does this mean the board doesn't support it? No, it clearly does as users are able to get 3200 MHz and much higher. See most of the users with Samsung B-die getting 3200 MHz or higher.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question..... HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR CPU WILL DO 3200 MHz ON THE IMC?

RemusM · « **Reply #480 on:** 21-July-17, 02:42:08 »

Quote from: lkt01070 on 21-July-17, 04:40:07

To me that is false advertising. That actually lead me to buy this board with this memory since other B350 boards does not have this memory listed in the QVL for 3200Mhz (Some put 2933, for example).

Many folks still don't understand.
For the last time (I hope):
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#productSpecification-section
Main Memory
• 4 x DDR4 memory slots, support up to 64GB
- Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *
• Dual channel memory architecture

So the motherboard supports 3200 (even more).
But AMD does not guarantee the OC (overclocking) profiles.
Above 2666MHz you run the CPU IMC out of specs, so you are gambling.

lkt01070 · « **Reply #481 on:** 21-July-17, 07:55:19 »

Quote from: darkhawk on 21-July-17, 04:49:46

No. The board does support it.

And again, don't know how many times it needs to get repeated.....WHY WOULD YOU BLAME MSI FOR SOMETHING THAT AMD DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEMSELVES?

I don't know why everyone has this huge issue understanding that the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU. It's not like there is a northbridge that controls the memory anymore on the motherboard. In fact, outside of carrying the data from the memory to the CPU, the only other thing the motherboard does is set the timing.....but wait, even that comes from the memory themselves and AMD (since AMD controls how the IMC is setup.....). So again, where does MSI have any control over anything here?

...chill man. No one is blaming you for this. Let's have a discussion.
The reason why is simply because MSI has put this in QVL? AMD doesn't guarantee it sure, but they don't have an official list on their website saying this specific ram is supported with product code to run at 3200Mhz with Ryzen CPUs.

It is like if there was another list on the website saying this board supports 4.8Ghz Ryzen 1600X officially, another official list saying their board could support 5Ghz i7-7700k, there won't be since that is gambling and silicon lottery.

Are you sure about "the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU"? What about BIOS? Voltage controllers? Clock generators? EMP shielding?

BIOS: That also explains why some people has 1 version of BIOS working with 3200Mhz and another version doesn't, doesn't it?
Voltage controllers: Stable and accurate voltage is critical for any electronics that runs at high speed, vdroops compensation as well.
Clock generators: Again stable and accurate clocks with good phase duty cycle control is critical.

That sounds like a lot of control to me that is critical to all the components that is plugged in to the board. I can go on forever...

Quote from: darkhawk on 21-July-17, 04:49:46

It sucks you can't get 3200 MHz. It sucks that the QVL lists it at 3200 MHz. Maybe they did hit it when they did the QVL, nearly 8 months ago now. Back when I'm sure AMD was sending all the OEM's cherry picked CPU's that had the best overclocking capabilities.
But the reality is, if AMD guaranteed 3200 MHz, it'd be a different story. As it stands, they only guarantee up to 2667 in a specific situation, and less in all others. Does that mean the CPU can't do it? No, you might get lucky and get one that can do 4133 MHz. Does this mean the board doesn't support it? No, it clearly does as users are able to get 3200 MHz and much higher. See most of the users with Samsung B-die getting 3200 MHz or higher.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question..... HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR CPU WILL DO 3200 MHz ON THE IMC?

If AMD doesn't guarantee 3200Mhz, then there shouldn't have been a QVL that states it'd work from MSI.

People who bought the more expansive sumsung B-die rams could all boot into 3200Mhz, so magically all their Ryzen CPUs have a good IMC? And the rest of the people with other rams who may or may not get 3200Mhz has to be lucky? That's where the QVL comes in. It has been QUALIFIED. AMD could have cherry picked, but like I said you won't advertise or have an official list somewhere that says the Ryzen CPU supports 4.5Ghz since we had it working, qualified.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question... how do you know the motherboard is not defective from any BIOS, voltage controllers, clock generators, EMP shielding, etc, problems?

darkhawk · « **Reply #482 on:** 21-July-17, 09:09:23 »

Quote from: lkt01070 on 21-July-17, 14:55:19

...chill man. No one is blaming you for this. Let's have a discussion.
The reason why is simply because MSI has put this in QVL? AMD doesn't guarantee it sure, but they don't have an official list on their website saying this specific ram is supported with product code to run at 3200Mhz with Ryzen CPUs.

It is like if there was another list on the website saying this board supports 4.8Ghz Ryzen 1600X officially, another official list saying their board could support 5Ghz i7-7700k, there won't be since that is gambling and silicon lottery.

Are you sure about "the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU"? What about BIOS? Voltage controllers? Clock generators? EMP shielding?

BIOS: That also explains why some people has 1 version of BIOS working with 3200Mhz and another version doesn't, doesn't it?
Voltage controllers: Stable and accurate voltage is critical for any electronics that runs at high speed, vdroops compensation as well.
Clock generators: Again stable and accurate clocks with good phase duty cycle control is critical.

That sounds like a lot of control to me that is critical to all the components that is plugged in to the board. I can go on forever...

If AMD doesn't guarantee 3200Mhz, then there shouldn't have been a QVL that states it'd work from MSI.

People who bought the more expansive sumsung B-die rams could all boot into 3200Mhz, so magically all their Ryzen CPUs have a good IMC? And the rest of the people with other rams who may or may not get 3200Mhz has to be lucky? That's where the QVL comes in. It has been QUALIFIED. AMD could have cherry picked, but like I said you won't advertise or have an official list somewhere that says the Ryzen CPU supports 4.5Ghz since we had it working, qualified.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question... how do you know the motherboard is not defective from any BIOS, voltage controllers, clock generators, EMP shielding, etc, problems?

First : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<<
Last time I'm linking that for you.

Clearly the board supports it. If it didn't, why could other users get 3200 and even 3600 or 4000? Clearly the problem is not with the board.....

Also, AMD does state what it officially supports. See the first post. That picture is from AMD, on AMD's website, and from all their promotional material. So...yeah....it's there. Maybe you didn't search enough?

As far as silicon lottery....that's overclocking. Welcome to the world of overclocking. Guess what? Anything higher than 2667 MHz? Guess what? That's overclocking. Silicon Lottery. See the line above about AMD putting it on their site? Yup. Overclocking. Silicon Lottery.

As far as the motherboard, yes I am sure. In fact, I even commented (you decided to ignore, since you don't read to understand, just to respond....) on the fact that the BIOS can control it, but it gets that information from the memory modules themselves (go back and re-read it...) and AMD's AGESA code for setting up the internal IMC timing.

So, lets look at what you discussed :
EMP? Sure, it plays a part, but if that was the issue, users wouldn't be able to get 3200 MHz on the board.....or higher in some cases.....
Voltage controllers : Are a hardware part. They aren't going to change how they function from one bios to another. It might change the voltages, but even then, manually set it up? It's overclocking, and that's unfortunately a part of it.
Clock Generators : The MSI board doesn't have any for the CPU, as they are internally generated (hence why you can't change the BCLK). If you're talking about the clock generators for the phasing of the voltage regulators, these generally use PLL's and dividers to provide the clocks properly, and while I'm not familiar with exactly what part is used on the board in question, if this was an issue it would mean a complete failure in many conditions, and not just a very specific one (in this case, memory frequency).

Users have gone as far as actually changing CPU's, only to find the new CPU (same motherboard, ram, power supply, GPU, etc...) actually could clock the IMC much higher, even on the same BIOS.

SSuperBronky · « **Reply #483 on:** 22-July-17, 10:57:42 »

Hello. I have Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 memory and after last bios update to agesa 1.06 it dosn`t work on 3200 16-16-16-16-36 1.35 v. But on the prewios bios it worked with stable performance on 1.27 Voltage of mem and couple of days with stress tests.
Motherboard B350M GAMING.

Any changing proc odt is a cyclic reebooting, (like on previos bios) Timings like a last bios with working autosettings, subtimings, ani settings is a fail/////////// Any woltages of soc\chipset too/ whats happen?

kaisersolo · « **Reply #484 on:** 24-July-17, 04:30:19 »

I have been tinkering around with memory timings and sub timings at the weekend to see how much extra performance i can get at 2933 from My corsair lpx 3200 v5.39 hynix
MSI x370 Gaming Plus, R7 1700 & 16 GB (2*8) LPX 3200 @ 2993

Any one advise any improvements to this see attachmentmy timings

akalinski · « **Reply #485 on:** 27-July-17, 23:57:08 »

Quote from: josito_rox on 09-July-17, 10:01:53

What's happening with the b350 tomahawk artic bios?

First of all, my setup:
Ryzen 5 1600
MSI b350 Tomahawk Artic
16 GB corsair LPX 3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (which is listed as 3200 compatible)
MSI armor GTX 1080
Thermaltake Smart DPS G 700W 80 Plus Bronze Modular

Seriously, every bios update make my setup more unstable since 1.3 (7A34vH3).

I can perfectly run on 2933 with 1.3 without any problem, and 3200 100% stable when system boot, but sometimes it need 2-3 restart to boot, so i was staying on 2933 for easier boot

But with 1.4 or 1.5 i cant manage to get 2933 stable, it would sometimes boot, sometimes not, and 3200 is just impossible, never boots, well, maybe im not 100% accurate with this last statement, with 1.5 it boots with a-xmp profile to 3200, but the ram shows 2133 on bios and windows, but the xmp 1 profile is enabled with 3200 supposed speed...

Any help with 1.5 or i'll have to go back to 1.3 (again)?

Check my thread, there is a small guide at the end how you at least get 3066Mhz. At two pc starts this week i had one of these magical reboots, but my ram stays at 3066mhz

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=289548.0

b_rynlds · « **Reply #486 on:** 28-July-17, 10:03:39 »

I have the msi b350 gaming pro carbon using the ryzen 1700 overclocked to 3.9ghz, Gskill ripjawsV ddr4-3200 (16-16-16-36) F4-3200C16D-16GVK which I believe is hynix chips... I chose xamp profile one and it booted first try at 3200mhz.. When I initially booted the board i flashed with beta bios 1.51 using mflash..

I have a couple questions.. For one I have never overclocked memory and I'm wanting to try it.. basically would like to try to get up to 3400mhz and have no idea what i'm doing.. From what i understand I can increase my voltage if needed but should try it first at the lowest voltage i can..
I also notice my dram voltage runs lower than what its suppose to as you can see in the hwmonitor screenshot below, its showing 1.344 not much lower but lower than the 1.35v, I've seen it as low as 1.22v

I have also noticed is when i run an Aida64 memory bench using beta bios version 1.51, why is it showing it as agesa 1.0.0.4a? also included a screenshot below.

darkhawk · « **Reply #487 on:** 28-July-17, 10:24:47 »

Don't worry about what AGESA version is shown, to be honest.
1.0.0.6 will have the extended memory sub timings available in the memory settings. If you can see them, you're on 1.0.0.6. MSI is (generally) terrible at updating the version string within the BIOS.

Your memory is rated for 3200 MHz. Trying to get to 3400 MHz might be a stretch.
The easiest way to try is to go into the BIOS and manually select 3400 MHz from the overclocking menu section and see if that works.

As far as voltage, up to 1.45V is OK for DRAM voltage. up to 1.2V is OK for the NB/SoC voltage. Outside of that, it gets more technical and I would probably suggest looking into guides on how to specifically tune your memory (use google to find them.....).

kaisersolo · « **Reply #488 on:** 29-July-17, 07:25:15 »

Quote from: kaisersolo on 24-July-17, 11:30:19

Quote from: kaisersolo
I have been tinkering around with memory timings and sub timings at the weekend to see how much extra performance i can get at 2933 from My corsair lpx 3200 v5.39 hynix
MSI x370 Gaming Plus, R7 1700 & 16 GB (2*8) LPX 3200 @ 2993

Any one advise any improvements to this see attachmentmy timings

@darkhawk any ideas how to optimise my timings further??

darkhawk · « **Reply #489 on:** 29-July-17, 10:04:06 »

Quote from: kaisersolo on 29-July-17, 14:25:15

@darkhawk any ideas how to optimise my timings further??

I am by no means a memory expert.

And unfortunately, the parts I have are by no means a good example to even begin trying to help (actually, my B350 system is down....long story....)

My best suggestion is to work with gear down mode, try it with it on and off, and see if you can increase your memory speeds.
I might also suggest using the memory try it feature with gear down mode turned off.
You can also try manual timings, and start with some very very loose timings that are a good bit higher than the SPD values for your memory.

As far as the XMP mode, I can't really speak about it. It does appear in the latest versions of the BIOS's, it's broken. I have no idea if/when MSI will be fixing that.

dampfer_mail · « **Reply #490 on:** 29-July-17, 10:25:27 »

Quote from: RemusM on 14-March-17, 09:00:23

Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

I am not a "Pro" and I believed this - so I bought a second 2400 module with 16 GB of the same brand (g.skill f4 2400c15s)
And it does NOT work!
I tried both modules in slot 2 as suggested in the boards user manual and both modules are running fine alone.
But no matter what slots I put both modules in together the system refuses to boot with 32gb in 2 banks - and yes I tried the slot 2 and 4 combo too.
With that 2+4 slot combo the system will only turn on power and shut down right away again in a continuous loop so I have to turn off power and remove the snd. module from the 4th slot so it boots normally again.

I did not overclock anything as there currently is no need for me to do that because the 1700x and the gtx1070 are fast enough to handle the VR games I play.
But HOW can I find out if maybe "xmp" is running and causing the problem?
Can I find that in the MSI command center or do I need to enter the bios on startup?
Or do I even have to enter the bios just to activate a second 16 GB module (assuming the 2 modules are supposed to be placed in slots 2 and 4 because the user manual only shows a picture of that w/out any explanation on how to propperly install a snd memory module.

flobelix · « **Reply #491 on:** 29-July-17, 10:54:15 »

You believed what??? What RemusM listed are the AMD specs and of course corret but you are mixing memory and not using a kit. Mixing memory is and never was a good idea. Neither on AM4 nor on any other platform. Also yes, even if you are using the "same model" like your existing stick it is still mixing memory. Even a day later a different batch of the same model could even use totally different memory chips. To be safe only a matched kit surely works together. Not following this basic rule you get results like you have. Possibly increased voltage or more relaxed timings could help but you'll need to try.

loghein · « **Reply #492 on:** 31-July-17, 00:49:05 »

I got MSI b350M mortar, recently updated to 7A37v15 with Team ELITE PLUS ram, I know that this ram is not in compatibility list but on 7A37v13 it work perfectly fine but now it constantly crash. I've tried to set the timing to other recommendation by TEAM, but it still crashing.

I've downgrade to 7A37v14 it seems stable, anyway 7A37v15 is completely broke this RAM compatibility, please fix it on next update.

kaisersolo · « **Reply #493 on:** 31-July-17, 11:42:06 »

Quote from: darkhawk on 29-July-17, 17:04:06

I am by no means a memory expert.

And unfortunately, the parts I have are by no means a good example to even begin trying to help (actually, my B350 system is down....long story....)

My best suggestion is to work with gear down mode, try it with it on and off, and see if you can increase your memory speeds.
I might also suggest using the memory try it feature with gear down mode turned off.
You can also try manual timings, and start with some very very loose timings that are a good bit higher than the SPD values for your memory.

As far as the XMP mode, I can't really speak about it. It does appear in the latest versions of the BIOS's, it's broken. I have no idea if/when MSI will be fixing that.

@darkhawk, success with 3066 - memory try ir gear down mode disabled here is the result attached.
What next start tighten the timings any standout suggestins from this image

many thanks by the way!!! : )

darkhawk · « **Reply #494 on:** 31-July-17, 15:47:03 »

Looking good! Much better for sure!
Nothing stands out to be perfectly honest. It looks pretty standard for Hynix memory.

kaisersolo · « **Reply #495 on:** 01-August-17, 06:06:13 »

Quote from: darkhawk on 31-July-17, 22:47:03

Looking good! Much better for sure!
Nothing stands out to be perfectly honest. It looks pretty standard for Hynix memory.

Alas, It Doesn't stick and on the next reboot goes back to default . I did set my proc to 60 ohms, dram 1.35, nb soc 1.15. Any other suggestions? I will try again tonight manually adding the settings I posted and see I can get it stable. Looking for a Bios update for x370 gaming plus - do you know when the next ones due!

darkhawk · « **Reply #496 on:** 01-August-17, 07:13:02 »

MSI doesn't let us know when BIOS updates even happen. I am manually checking each and every day for updates. Read the notes at the top of the AM4 BETA BIOS thread for more information.

ayman_kouzayha · « **Reply #497 on:** 01-August-17, 08:37:26 »

Hello, Recently I upgraded my system with these parts:
- Ryzen 5 1600
- MSI X370 SLI PLUS (came with 7A33v30 BIOS but I did update it to the latest 7A33v34)
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) / Sadly its v5.39 Hynix

I decided to slightly overclock the CPU due to high summer temperature 30C ambient so I chose 3.6Ghz, auto voltage did set it around 1.265v and it was reaching 77c on Aida64, it didn't look right, I re-applied thermal paste and tweaked the voltage to 1.168v, now it reaches 72c on Aida64

Then I moved to the RAM and tried these options:
1- XMP1 3200mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : NO BOOT
2- 3200mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
3- 2933mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
4- 2666mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark
5- 2666mhz 15-15-15-36 at 1.35v: BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark

With the RAM at 2666mhz my Cinebench R15 score dropped from 1187 to 1132! Is this normal to have lower score? Am I benefiting from 2666mhz compared to the stock 2133mhz, notice that I kept using the stock fast timings.

Thanks.

xfxp1384 · « **Reply #498 on:** 01-August-17, 14:12:42 »

Quote from: ayman_kouzayha on 01-August-17, 15:37:26

Hello, Recently I upgraded my system with these parts:
- Ryzen 5 1600
- MSI X370 SLI PLUS (came with 7A33v30 BIOS but I did update it to the latest 7A33v34)
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) / Sadly its v5.39 Hynix

I decided to slightly overclock the CPU due to high summer temperature 30C ambient so I chose 3.6Ghz, auto voltage did set it around 1.265v and it was reaching 77c on Aida64, it didn't look right, I re-applied thermal paste and tweaked the voltage to 1.168v, now it reaches 72c on Aida64

Then I moved to the RAM and tried these options:
1- XMP1 3200mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : NO BOOT
2- 3200mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
3-2933mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
4- 2666mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark
5- 2666mhz 15-15-15-36 at 1.35v: BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark

With the RAM at 2666mhz my Cinebench R15 score dropped from 1187 to 1132! Is this normal to have lower score? Am I benefiting from 2666mhz compared to the stock 2133mhz, notice that I kept using the stock fast timings.

Thanks.

I have the exact same ram, but the board. and I'm currently running it at 2933mhz without an issue.

you don't need that much voltage when doing 2933,

This is my current setup, try give it ago. I think it should boot.

I'm on the latest official BIOS though.

artur.aragao · « **Reply #499 on:** 08-August-17, 12:07:57 »

Quote from: jellewolters on 20-March-17, 17:30:39

I think it's been said now a few times this isn't the case for Ryzen, for whatever reason. Look up reviews with games like Fallout, Crysis 3, The Witcher 3. The difference can be as much as 15%, which results in 10-20FPS differences.

just an example.

Anyway, I see my question is not going to be answered. I asked about ETA and possible fixes. Not excuses for why running 3200MHz at 2400MHz is acceptable, when I've spent 200 euro on a board. I'm not blaming MSI here, the launch is a crapshoot, probably cause of AMD, but I'd like a (rough) timeline for fixes.

Dear,

I wanted to hear from the staff here about the whole video. I got it. A kit of F4-3200C14D-16GFXs + the MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM. 16GB for what I do is little and I am likely to undertake the acquisition of yet another set of these memories. My question is if they will work in full at 3200MHz. I'm hoping so. And also wanted to know from others that they happen to use 2 16GB combs with even higher clocks, as I have not found in the compatibility matrix and so few people are using such memories. Can you help me???? Because I really need 32GB or more in my workstation and entertainment.

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