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[DARKKi]

Thanks for all the info here! I am just building an Ryzen setup and this helped a lot! :]

[ivan.vlaho.vlasic]

Hi,

I am interested in buying MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON. I am looking for RAM support.

I need help in understanding QVL for RAM memory!! There is information that MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON support Patriot PVE416G320C6KGY. It is stated that this RAM is SS (single sided), support 3200 MHz speed and can populate 4 DIMMs.

Does this mean that MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON can run 4x8 GB Patriot PVE416G320C6KGY at 3200 MHz??????

Please help!!

[RemusM]

Does this mean that MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON can run 4x8 GB Patriot PVE416G320C6KGY at 3200 MHz??????

Many people still don't understand.
The motherboard is almost irrelevant here.
Your Ryzen CPU can NOT run 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz.
You are limited by the CPU IMC,

[ivan.vlaho.vlasic]

Many people still don't understand.
The motherboard is almost irrelevant here.
Your Ryzen CPU can NOT run 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz.
You are limited by the CPU IMC,

Thanks for info!!

Which, not so expensive 3200 MHz RAM you recommend for MSI x370 GAMING PRO CARBON?

[RemusM]

Thanks for info!!

Which, not so expensive 3200 MHz RAM you recommend for MSI x370 GAMING PRO CARBON?

The 3200 kits are cheap these days.
If you want 32GB and better chances for higher speeds, go for a 2 x 16 GB kit.
The current Ryzen IMCs are not mature enough, but you can reach 2933 or even 3200 if you're lucky.
Many Corsair and G.Skill kits seem to be "Ryzen friendly".

[darkhawk]

If you really want to be certain, you're going to pay extra for it.
G.Skill Flare X kits have very great success at reaching the posted speeds for each kit.
You could see if you can find a 2x16GB FlareX kit. That's what I would get if I wanted to be certain I could hit that speed.

It doesn't remove the fact that the CPU's IMC still plays a large part in it.....

[ivan.vlaho.vlasic]

Do you know any not so expensive 2*8 GB RAM that will work at 3200 MHz on MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON and Ryzen 5 1600??

At QVL almost all ram is stated as 8 GB, it is confusing..

[N33Z]

If you really want to be certain, you're going to pay extra for it.
G.Skill Flare X kits have very great success at reaching the posted speeds for each kit.
You could see if you can find a 2x16GB FlareX kit. That's what I would get if I wanted to be certain I could hit that speed.

It doesn't remove the fact that the CPU's IMC still plays a large part in it.....

I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82

[RemusM]

I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82

Yes, but you have only 16GB memory (a 2 x 8GB kit).
For 32GB (2 x 16GB) and 64GB (4 x 16GB) the G.Skill Flare X kits are limited to 2400 MHz.
https://gskill.com/en/search?keyword=flare+x
Again, the Ryzen CPUs can NOT run 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz.

[ivan.vlaho.vlasic]

I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82

Please, can you provide Part number of your Flare X 3200 MHz?

[RemusM]

Please, can you provide Part number of your Flare X 3200 MHz?

With this model you have big chances for 2933 and 3200 with the Ryzen CPUs:
https://gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx
Again, nothing is guaranteed.
G.Skill note:
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.
Good luck.

[xsauron]

With this model you have big chances for 2933 and 3200 with the Ryzen CPUs:
https://gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx
Again, nothing is guaranteed.
G.Skill note:
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.
Good luck.

;

Hi please, help me. I have PC configuration above and I can not find stable configuration 3200 MHz.

Please, do you send me your EXACT configuration of BIOS for 3200MHz. 

For example screen shot of BIOS.

I have last BIOS 1.8.

[xsauron]

I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82

Please add screenshot of configuration of your BIOS. I cannot set 3200 Mhz for stable running.

[ivan.vlaho.vlasic]

Thanks for info, I will buy Flare X 3200MHz!

[vgsneto]

Hi people, I want your thoughts about the training/retry feature on recent mobos. I have a MSI B350 PC Mate, Ryzen 7 1700 on stock settings and 2x8 DDR4 memory Corsair Vengeance LED 3200 MHz CL16 CMU16GX4M2C3200C16B. I updated the BIOS to 1.0.0.6 AGESA and after I've tried to oc the memory through XMP profile, which has as settings 3200 MHz, timings 16 18 18 36 and voltage at 1.35v. It didn't work. Then I've tried 2933 MHz, same timings and added voltage manually to 1.36v. The system entered the training/retry mode, first attempt failed, second booted normally, no issues, no crashes. But, after I've turned it off, and it was more than one time, the system always fails first boot and succeds on the second. Does this thing, fail on first, booting normally on the second, for a 24/7 use, can damage the board in the long run? Also, I've read that when applying more voltage to RAM, the maximum safe amount is 1.4v for a 24/7 use. Does this proceed? Thanks for the attention.

[360twin]

I thought that I would post my experience here for reference.
 
My board came with BIOS version 3.10 and set the DRAM to 2133 automatically. BIOS version 3.30 was available at this time, so I updated to this immediately. The two A-XMP profiles available were ‘2933’ (Profile 1) and ‘3200’ (Profile 2), I selected Profile 2, saved and re-booted. DRAM speed shown was ‘3200’ with settings ‘16, 18, 18, 18, 36’ and I installed the OS.
 
When BIOS ver3.40 became available I updated to this and noticed that both A-XMP profiles were now ‘3200’. I selected Profile 1, saved and re-booted. As previous, DRAM speed was ‘3200’ at the rated settings. My system has been completely stable since.
 
Last week I built another machine using the exact same parts, and was not so lucky. This one has a different graphics card (HD 7970), SSD (OCZ Vertex4) and PSU (Coolermaster 600W) but is otherwise the same. I cannot get the memory to boot reliably above 2667 with A-XMP, Try It! or manual settings. If the machine boots successfully at 3200 it runs without error; a ‘Restart’ does not prevent start-up, but left overnight results in a memory error on POST.
 
It is currently running at 2667Mt/s but the owner is a little disappointed not to achieve 3200 (or even 2933) since mine with the same components does. I have since discovered that both Corsair kits are single-rank with Hynix IC’s, which helped very little.
 
Note that in both cases the cpu’s are running at default settings (no overclock). Machine specs in signature.

[xfxp1384]

I thought that I would post my experience here for reference.
 
My board came with BIOS version 3.10 and set the DRAM to 2133 automatically. BIOS version 3.30 was available at this time, so I updated to this immediately. The two A-XMP profiles available were ‘2933’ (Profile 1) and ‘3200’ (Profile 2), I selected Profile 2, saved and re-booted. DRAM speed shown was ‘3200’ with settings ‘16, 18, 18, 18, 36’ and I installed the OS.

Glad to see you got that working, though It's the first time I saw Hynix A-die, and your model number is different than mine as well.

It could be the latest version that they're selling atm.

[heath.bortolin]

Hi everyone, I have: 1800X, MSI X370 PRO CARBON, and have 2 kits of corsair vengence (2x8GB) lpx 3200mhz ram C16 (4x8Gb total). I've had huge issues running my ram anywhere near 3200MHz even though i was able to post at 2933MHz (unstable) at one stage. I discovered one of my ram sticks was defective and wasnt working correctly. I've messed with A-XMP profiles, manual timing settings and atm i have 2x8Gb sticks of my ram running at stock 2133MHz (stable). I'VE HAD ENOUGH, and trust me I've tried latest bios, timings, reinstalling windows and everything.

To be quick, I want to buy F4-3200C14D-16GTZR or the 32GB version F4-2400C15Q-32GTZR ram and was wondering if anyone can confirm these will work as advised. The motherboard support shows F4-3200C14D-16GTZ as supported but does this mean the R model (RGB) will work?

I didn't feel great not knowing what wasn't working properly in my first custom built pc. I'm hoping it is just some bad ram and not the motherboard or some other component. I've used prime95 (30mins) and cinebench (1750) to test CPU overclock and im confident the CPU is good. However, I'm worried that with my many, many, many attempts to get 3200MHz with 4 sticks ( I realise this is probably not achievable) and 2 sticks I've damaged some other component, as I've noticed small stutters here and there. Any help is greatly appreciated after all this hassle. What problems can arise from overclocking ram, if any major ones?

[docsekk]

Upgrade bios

[heath.bortolin]

Dear Dorcsekk

Thank-you for your detailed analysis and help, I will thoughtfully consider upgrading my bios, even though I have the most recent bios installed.

Thanks.

still deciding between F4-3200C14D-16GTZR and F4-3200C14D-16GTZ non RGB
could anyone advise...please

[Nichrome]

still deciding between F4-3200C14D-16GTZR and F4-3200C14D-16GTZ non RGB
could anyone advise...please

I think it is up to your taste. I personally would go RGB (as everything is RGB today...) and set them to match colours of my setup (white+red).
If your case doesn't have a window, then grab standard (non RGB) kit.

[unthinkable13]

Realistically is it still possible to expect any improvements from bios updates after all these memory tweaks that been done so far and still unable to reach 3200 nor even 2933 or its time to change hardware?

[aykutclyn]

Hi All , 

I'm currently using my r5 1600 with X370 Carbon and G.skill F4-3000C16D-16GTZR(was cheapest rgb ram on the market) however i'm not able to reach 3000mhz yet but got it work at 2800 mhz which is fine for me.

[RemusM]

Realistically is it still possible to expect any improvements from bios updates after all these memory tweaks that been done so far and still unable to reach 3200 nor even 2933 or its time to change hardware?

Above 2666 MHz you're gambling (overclocking).
Don't expect any BIOS update to make your CPU IMC faster.

[mitja1990]

Hello guys

I have just upgrade my PC and I am having issues running my RAM to its specified speed. I am using MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard with the latest BIOS installed and I am running official supported RAM (HX430C15PB3K4/16(Profile1)) as you can see in this at URL: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2

I am also running Ryzen 1600. Nothing has been overclocked, everything is set to auto. I did try and playing around with the RAM settings, by using XAMP profile 1 and 2 with no success. At the moment It seems it can only run at 2400Mhz anything more, the computer does not POST and restarts 5 times before defaulting back to 2400Mhz.

Any advice how I can go about getting this to run at 2933Mhz as specified of the MSI website?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[darkhawk]

Hello guys

I have just upgrade my PC and I am having issues running my RAM to its specified speed. I am using MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard with the latest BIOS installed and I am running official supported RAM (HX430C15PB3K4/16(Profile1)) as you can see in this at URL: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2

I am also running Ryzen 1600. Nothing has been overclocked, everything is set to auto. I did try and playing around with the RAM settings, by using XAMP profile 1 and 2 with no success. At the moment It seems it can only run at 2400Mhz anything more, the computer does not POST and restarts 5 times before defaulting back to 2400Mhz.

Any advice how I can go about getting this to run at 2933Mhz as specified of the MSI website?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

This thread is 11 pages, and has at least the answers you need 10 times throughout it, possibly quite a bit more.

Not only that, you didn't even (obviously) even bother reading just the first post. 
With 4 DIMM's, you'll be lucky to get 2667 MHz, much less any higher.

[mitja1990]

You're right I didn't read any of the previous posts since Ryzen and memory compatibility seems to have around 1 billions different problems.

Nice to see that MSI is advertising 2933Mhz for the ram, yet its unlikely to even get 2667 MHz.

Been reading more about the Ryzen issues and I am amazed at the hype for Ryzen CPU's. For a product that has so many memory issues, it comes across as being pretty poor IMO. I guess you get what you pay for. Lesson learned for next time.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated it.

[darkhawk]

You're right I didn't read any of the previous posts since Ryzen and memory compatibility seems to have around 1 billions different problems.

Nice to see that MSI is advertising 2933Mhz for the ram, yet its unlikely to even get 2667 MHz.

Been reading more about the Ryzen issues and I am amazed at the hype for Ryzen CPU's. For a product that has so many memory issues, it comes across as being pretty poor IMO. I guess you get what you pay for. Lesson learned for next time.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated it.

I won't deny it, Ryzen has been an absolute  show. On the surface, yes, AMD and everyone else (fan boys especially) make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread. And it is actually GOOD. But there are many issues. And many problems that many users just don't understand, or don't want to understand.

Personally, I enjoy my Ryzen system. It's only a 1500X, but it's only a bit slower than my older 4770K. I'm sure the 1700x or 1800x would be much better. And then there's the even new Threadripper, which I'm sure would mop the floor with the 4770k. 

Personally, if I was in the market for a new PC (I'm not.....not really), I'd probably be looking at a Threadripper. I recently just got a Z270 Gaming M7 and a X299 Gaming Carbon ACK....and I have no interest in making the X299 system. I'm considering the Z270 (with a 7700K, maybe, if I can find one at a decent price), but I'm now getting to the point where I just have no interest in games and I really don't need the power or performance anymore.

All that being said, I think Ryzen does one thing. It provides a much, MUCH better performance for price value than Intel does, or will, in the near future. It's what the market needed to innovate further (lets face it, we've had quad core, 8 thread CPU's for what? 5 years now? ?). The question really becomes, how does Intel react? And can AMD iron out all the problems with Ryzen/Threadripper, and get Ryzen2/TR2 right in another 2 years? That's really what is on people's minds....

[dwayne.thompson]

Hi,

I have bought a MSI B350M GAMING PRO Socket AM4 AMD Ryzen 7th Gen Athlon DDR4 USB 3.1 Micro ATX Motherboard and G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series - DDR4 - 8 GB : 2 x 4 GB - DIMM 288-pin..

Will the RAM be compatible with the MB??

Thanks

[darkhawk]

Hi,

I have bought a MSI B350M GAMING PRO Socket AM4 AMD Ryzen 7th Gen Athlon DDR4 USB 3.1 Micro ATX Motherboard and G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series - DDR4 - 8 GB : 2 x 4 GB - DIMM 288-pin..

Will the RAM be compatible with the MB??

Thanks

Most likely it will work just fine.

[linkz1993]

Just bought a MSI A320M Gaming pro mother board with a GSkill ripjaws V series ram , it shows on site that its not compatible , Should I immediately send it back or is it good to put on ?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232085&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-

[darkhawk]

Just bought a MSI A320M Gaming pro mother board with a GSkill ripjaws V series ram , it shows on site that its not compatible , Should I immediately send it back or is it good to put on ?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232085&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-

Generally, I'd just say to give it a try. It's DDR4, so it should work. Since it's not some insane speed (2667 MHz or higher), I'd give it a try. Obviously you don't care quite as much about how fast the RAM runs, so it will probably work at the default speeds (2133 MHz) just fine.
If it doesn't work, then I'd consider sending it back and get something else.

[mullinberger]

Hello, I have a B350m Mortar Arctic and purchased 8gb of DDR4 3000 memory along with it, made sure to see that it was QVL with Ryzen 5 before purchasing.

The memory is recognized in the BIOS as 2133 unless I overclock it; with Memory Try It I can get it up to it's specc'ed 3000 with the advertised timings.

Does Memory Try It definitely increase voltage to the RAM even though it's only running at its specified manufactured speed? If so, is this a concern in the long term? The BIOS does not specify any sort of voltage increase when activating Memory Try It.

Thank you!

[badboy2k]

Hello, I have a B350m Mortar Arctic and purchased 8gb of DDR4 3000 memory along with it, made sure to see that it was QVL with Ryzen 5 before purchasing. The memory is recognized in the BIOS as 2133 unless I overclock it; with Memory Try It I can get it up to it's specc'ed 3000 with the advertised timings. Does Memory Try It definitely increase voltage to the RAM even though it's only running at its specified manufactured speed? If so, is this a concern in the long term? The BIOS does not specify any sort of voltage increase when activating Memory Try It. Thank you!

typically at 3000Mhz it uses 1.35v as its target on memory Try it and what it mainly does is slackens off alot of the deeper sub timings over XMP so it should be safe!


you can look in some software like HWMonitor to see what voltage is being supplied to your RAM!

typically with DDR4 RAM 1.1 - 1.45V on it is totally safe as DDR4 by its standards are meant to run upto 1.5V

[racerx11080]

First I would like to say hi to all, and to thank you on great thread - I've read all 11 pages and it was really helpful, but I would like to ask you guys for advice:

I am planing to buy Ryzen 7 1700x and MSI X370 gaming PRO carbon  --- I am trying to make a budget workstation for 2d/3d digital art and concept design, so I need at least 32GB of RAM. I've read whole thread, but it is very possible that I misunderstood something, cause some things are still confusing me:

a) I've understood that best choice would be G Skill Flare X if I want to hit 3200Mhz, which is not guaranteed, because it depends on my Ryzen CPU, cause they guarantee only 2666Mhz.

b) But 3200Mhz can only be obtained with 16GB (2x8GB), with 2X16GB or 4X8GB (32GB) of RAM or higher I can go with maximum of 2400Mhz (also because of Ryzen) - and buying 3000 or 3200Mhz DDR4 ram would be overkill. Is this correct?

Because G skill has this products:
F4-3200C14Q-32GFX or F4-3200C14D-16GFX
you can find them on https://gskill.com/en/finder?cat=31&series=2954    -first two one on top

So now I am confused: Can I get 3200Mhz with 4x8GB of RAM  from G skill Flare X -  how they are tested for Ryzen if Ryzen CAN NO T SUPPORT over 2400Mhz for 32GB?

Also, if Ryzen support only 2400Mhz for 32GB, will that stay  like that because it is architectural limitation or is it some sort of software limitation which will be resolved in future???? ( I really don't know what am I talking about here)

Thank you in advance!

[RemusM]

Can I get 3200Mhz with 4x8GB of RAM  from G skill Flare X -  how they are tested for Ryzen if Ryzen CAN NO T SUPPORT over 2400Mhz for 32GB?

Yes, you can.
But the chances to run (stable) 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz are VERY slim.
In most of the cases you will be limited at 2400 MHz with 4 memory modules.
Anyway, if you want 32GB memory with Ryzen, the best choice is a 2 x 16GB kit.
It's guaranteed to work at 2400 MHz and you have good chances for 2666 and 2933 Mhz.

[racerx11080]

Yes, you can.
But the chances to run (stable) 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz are VERY slim.
In most of the cases you will be limited at 2400 MHz with 4 memory modules.
Anyway, if you want 32GB memory with Ryzen, the best choice is a 2 x 16GB kit.
It's guaranteed to work at 2400 MHz and you have good chances for 2666 and 2933 Mhz.

Thank you, so your advice is to go with 2x16 GB G skill module at 2400Mhz??
 like this one:  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232520??? 

Also, will I be able to expand later on 64GB if I buy another 2x16 (same model)? Thank you in advance

[RemusM]

Thank you, so your advice is to go with 2x16 GB G skill module at 2400Mhz??
 like this one:  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232520???
Also, will I be able to expand later on 64GB if I buy another 2x16 (same model)? Thank you in advance

That's a very good choice for 32GB.
But mixing memory modules or kits is always a bad idea.
So if you want 64GB memory, you should start with a 4 x 16GB factory matched kit.

[carlk]

2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel work's fine for me it shall do for now.

[yan.metal]

Hi everyone,
I hate these Ryzen compatibility issues with memories.
Before I had problem with 2 sticks Hyperx model Hx424c15fb/8, I ended up selling them because they did not work together.

I bought new HyperX HX428C14PBK4 / 32 memory sticks which is 2800mhz is a 4x8GB kit, but if I connect all the combs as much as I can it's make them run at @ 2400 15-15-15-36 however if I put only 2x8GB they run at standard speed 2800mhz from 14-15-15-15-36. Why does it happen?

In my work I have computers with intel i3 with DDR3 memory combs from different speeds manufacturers and work perfectly in dual channel.

[badboy2k]

Hi everyone, I hate these Ryzen compatibility issues with memories. Before I had problem with 2 sticks Hyperx model Hx424c15fb/8, I ended up selling them because they did not work together. I bought new HyperX HX428C14PBK4 / 32 memory sticks which is 2800mhz is a 4x8GB kit, but if I connect all the combs as much as I can it's make them run at @ 2400 15-15-15-36 however if I put only 2x8GB they run at standard speed 2800mhz from 14-15-15-15-36. Why does it happen? In my work I have computers with intel i3 with DDR3 memory combs from different speeds manufacturers and work perfectly in dual channel.

AMD's Memory Controllers are not as refined as Intels Memory controllers so trying to compare the 2 is not a good equivilence (Intel has a Massive R'n'D Budget but AMD has a tiny one as they have been playing catch up with what they have)

have you tried to set the memory to 2666Mhz with all 4 sticks?

(Note for all 4 Dimms installed by spec DDR4 2400Mhz is all AMD states any CPU supports on Ryzen chips (may be able to be a bit better but that is luck of the draw "heard of the silicon lottery?"))

[darkhawk]

Not only that, but DDR3 was much more forgiving....especially in the 3xxx and 4xxx series.....compared to how poor it was with the 6xxx and 7xxx series. 

I mean, it's fairly well spelled out in the very first post of this thread. If you want the maximum performance, get samsung b-die, and only get 2 sticks of memory. Your likelihood of getting 3200 MHz + from that combination is >90%. 
Hynix on the other hand, is quite a bit lower. If you wanted 3200 MHz, I would've bought 3600 or even 4000 MHz memory. 

It sucks, and I won't disagree with you regarding the situation. But there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it.

[Nichrome]

Not to mention that AM4 is AMD's very first DDR4 platform. So before they tune their IMC for higher frequencies, Intel will already be working with DDR5 and getting those tuned out.
Also it is a matter of luck too to some extent.

[dziwisz101]

Hello 
I would like to ask sb with experiance with RAM overclocking if there is anything I can change to achive more RAM speed on my setup as in signature, I know this are not  samsung b-dies and I already made some good  OC,  but I wonder if I can do more? On b350 motherboard  I saw only 1 stable 3466mhz RAM. Maybe it's imposible on non BCLK motherboard?- I am watching buildzoid on Actually Hardcore Overclocking, he claimed that multipliers on Ryzen IC are bugged moslty above 3200mhz, so only bclk can bring memory frequency higher, can any BIOS update like agesa 1006b fix that?
Ryzen 1600x
MSI B350 pc mate
F4-3600C17D-8GVK   this are samsung E-die I have to profiles with same timings for xmp1 3466 and  xmp2 3600mhz
I read a lot to learn about tricks on Ryzen RAM OC, all new functions that brought agesa 1006, but still i know not much, or at least I can't find any source to read about how to set timings like CUD BUS,ohms , all subtimings, etc on Ryzen...
3466 is stable enough to run some tests, but not to past them, tests last secends to minutes sometimes. 3600MHZ can boot to windows but very unstable.
So far I was able to set my RAM like this: 3333mhz,.
DRAM voltage 1,35v- more voltage does nothing
SOC voltage 1,1v  more voltage does nothing
Main Timings: CR1.16.16.16.16.36 - loosening main timings does't work
tRC 52 - I have learned that from AMD agesa 1006 update "lets talk dram", that this settings works best for me when   tRC=tRAS+tRP
trfc= auto=434, tRFC-for 3600mhz by pressing F5(shows xmp timings) is 469, tRC is 56 for 3600mhz.
Rest subtimings from taiphoon burner for 3600mhz profile, only trfc auto
FAW= 35,  RRDS=7,RRDL=9, 
To get 3333mhz from 3200mhz stable i needed CLDO_VDDP on 0,975v, for 3466mhz it seems it need less, 0,970v-more stable.
ProcODT seems to work fine itself, for all higher speed it's 60ohms, but auto seems also work.
Setting geardownmode to disable makes CR2 and allows to set odd numbers, like 2.17.18.18.18.18.38, for 3600mhz profile, but CR2 in general helps only to boot 3600mhz, not 3466mhz.

Are there any more settings to tweak to make 3466mhz stable?

[steve.lemieux1]

Not only that, but DDR3 was much more forgiving....especially in the 3xxx and 4xxx series.....compared to how poor it was with the 6xxx and 7xxx series.

I mean, it's fairly well spelled out in the very first post of this thread. If you want the maximum performance, get samsung b-die, and only get 2 sticks of memory. Your likelihood of getting 3200 MHz + from that combination is >90%.
Hynix on the other hand, is quite a bit lower. If you wanted 3200 MHz, I would've bought 3600 or even 4000 MHz memory.

It sucks, and I won't disagree with you regarding the situation. But there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it.

Is that an hardware limitation or is it something that will eventually be fixed with a later AGESA update?

[darkhawk]

Is that an hardware limitation or is it something that will eventually be fixed with a later AGESA update?

That's anyone's guess....

But consider this.....AMD doesn't state that with dual rank or with more than 2 sticks of RAM, the memory speed drops for no reason. 
They know that the more you load their IMC, the lower the clock speed on the memory needs to be.
They guarantee the speeds in the first post for a reason. They're confident that a very very large portion of systems can hit that without any issues.
And anything higher than that is considered overclocking and not guaranteed. 

I don't think any amount of new 'bios's or AGESA code will change that. Ryzen 2 might, down the road.

[artur.aragao]

Dear,

I needed information from the engineering team itself, as I am an MSI fan and I am very disappointed with the compatibility of the memories on these boards. My configuration follows in the signature. I got one more 16GB kit, totaling 4 8GB combs. I can not put the memories in 3200. And at this link "https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen" is It's possible to see that the memories work perfectly at 3200, which is not happening to me. I'm very disappointed in this. By the time already were to be working in this configuration in my MSI XPOWER X370 GAMING TITANIUM. It's funny to see that it's reported that the maximum memory the mainboard supports is 64GB, but in compatibility information we do not see sets with densities larger than 16GB. Frustrated even with this. Memories are supported to work together from 4 out of 8GB to 3200, but my mainboad does not recognize them as 3200. When I try they get unstable and cause the machine to reboot constantly. The memories are running at 1866MHz. Frustrating...

When I look at the link on which mainboard has been tested, I am extremely sorry. It was tested with the configuration in an ASUS. Just that my ancestors said that I should have gone.

Stably I was able to put it at 2933MHz. That was great. I put it through the profiles, without XMP. I did not enable it because it did not work.
I hope MSI will release a new AGESA with full compatibility for these memories together of 4, because they work at 3200MHz in 4 slots.

[flobelix]

Dear,

I needed information from the engineering team itself, as I am an MSI fan and I am very disappointed with the compatibility of the memories on these boards. 

You can't contact MSI directly on this forum. To do so: >>How to contact MSI.<<

[darkhawk]

Dear,

I needed information from the engineering team itself, as I am an MSI fan and I am very disappointed with the compatibility of the memories on these boards. My configuration follows in the signature. I got one more 16GB kit, totaling 4 8GB combs. I can not put the memories in 3200. And at this link "https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen" is It's possible to see that the memories work perfectly at 3200, which is not happening to me. I'm very disappointed in this. By the time already were to be working in this configuration in my MSI XPOWER X370 GAMING TITANIUM. It's funny to see that it's reported that the maximum memory the mainboard supports is 64GB, but in compatibility information we do not see sets with densities larger than 16GB. Frustrated even with this. Memories are supported to work together from 4 out of 8GB to 3200, but my mainboad does not recognize them as 3200. When I try they get unstable and cause the machine to reboot constantly. The memories are running at 1866MHz. Frustrating...

When I look at the link on which mainboard has been tested, I am extremely sorry. It was tested with the configuration in an ASUS. Just that my ancestors said that I should have gone.

Stably I was able to put it at 2933MHz. That was great. I put it through the profiles, without XMP. I did not enable it because it did not work.
I hope MSI will release a new AGESA with full compatibility for these memories together of 4, because they work at 3200MHz in 4 slots.

Let's be honest here.

The speed of the memory bus is not governed by just the memory.

In fact, it is entirely dominated by the CPU's integrated memory controller (IMC). So any changes on the CPU itself can have a very drastic impact on the memory frequency.

Not only that, as many are well aware of, Ryzen's IMC is good, for their first try (with DDR4). However, expecting high frequency memory overclocks (see the first post, anything above those speeds under those conditions, is in fact, an overclock....), while using high density DRAM, is really a bit of a pipe dream. As we've said multiple times over and over.

Each CPU is different, like it or not, admit it or not. Many have found this out (in many cases, because they bought another CPU). How can you be positively sure, without any bit of doubt, that your CPU can handle doing 3200 MHz on double sided memory when all 4 slots are populated? Obviously there's quite a bit of doubt on AMD's side, since if they felt it would do that with no issues, they wouldn't keep their guaranteed frequency at 1866 MHz in that situation. Compared to Intel's current 2400 MHz on their Z270 platforms (and possibly higher for the Z370 when it comes.....). 

It's a crappy situation. Everyone just expects their memory to run at the rated frequencies that they bought. I get it. But technically, it's not just that simple. And while I'm no memory expert, I understand the underlying architecture well enough to know where it's limits are.

[RemusM]

1) My configuration follows in the signature. I got one more 16GB kit, totaling 4 8GB combs. I can not put the memories in 3200.

2) And at this link "https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen" is It's possible to see that the memories work perfectly at 3200, which is not happening to me.

1) you mix memory kits and that's a bad move.
Buy a factory matched 4 x 8GB or 2 x 16GB kit if you want 32GB memory.

2) you are wrong
The memory "rated" speed has nothing to do with your CPU IMC quality.
The overclocking results are never guaranteed.

The bottom line:
- most of the Ryzen CPUs are limited to 2400MHz in case of 4 memory modules.
- 3200MHz with 4 memory modules is a "rara avis" on both platforms (AMD and Intel).
In this case, "rara avis" means less than 10% chance.