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MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
« on: 19-April-17, 06:53:49 »

Hi guys,

I would like this thread to be an open discussion related to this B350 PC Mate version.
This board seems to be a Tomahawk without the bells and whistles (like LED nonsense and other not so useful software).

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Latest BIOS available for this board: 7A34vA2 - 2017-04-10

If you have any Beta available please post links here.
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As for me, I have this board arriving in a few days and would like first to get some feedback from those who had the occasion to test it.
I'm interested in memory experiences, OC, temperatures, etc.

My first main question is: is this board compatible with Creative X-Fi Extreme Music PCI card? (this is old PCI not PCIe 1X)
Asking this because I heard someone complaining that Tomahawk did work with X-Fi.

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« Reply #1 on: 19-April-17, 10:30:11 »

Hello
I have the same motherboard with Ryzen 1600x and G.skill Ripjaws V DDR4, 8GB(2x4GB), 3600MHz, CL17 (F4-3600C17D-8GVK). I did't try much oc yet, only I can tell my cpu was't stable on 1,35 and 4ghz.
More problem for me at this moment is RAM, it goes only at 2667MHz 16.15.15.35... Nothing worked for me to go any higher yet, XMP, MSI predefinied profiles, manual settings. I am wondering if not take that RAMs back to store and change them for some memories that are exactly listed on MSI website(my current RAM's are listed but in 16gb version...) I wonder about HyperX Predator DDR4, 2x4GB, 3000MHz, CL15 (HX430C15PB3K2/8) or some lower frequecy 2667 16gb rams. Maybe newer BIOS will fix RAM problem? Unfortunatly I have only few days to give back RAM's...
If I could say anything about sound cards, I only tested my ASUS Xonar DX, which is pcie 1x and worked both pcie 1x and pcie 16x slot, but none PCI device.

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« Reply #2 on: 19-April-17, 11:03:43 »

CPU Ryzen 1600 for me.
My RAM will be CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W (still uncertain of stock as I have to deal with a very cheap shop), which is in the QVL. I think it's important at this time to be listed there.
Also from reading around people only use 16 GB kits with single sided dims of 8GB each for decent results, but nothing is guaranteed. The prices went through the ruff for 3200MHz, but they will go even higher so better buy now what you can find (this is an official prediction from bean counters).

Have you tries with SOC at 1.1V? Also you can increase the DRAM voltage to 1.4V without issues if you have good case cooling.
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« Reply #3 on: 19-April-17, 11:57:41 »

Do you mean SOC in AMD Ryzen Master program, i mean i didn't see that setting in my bios, only on youtube on some asus croshair? I tried 1v, but it didn't help. I am still not sure how does this tool work(only at windows boot?), or change some hidden bios settings, becouse this program askes everytime for reboot after changing RAM settings, and after that it doesnt boot at all.. I try to setup higher voltage on RAM too.

More over the way, how you have to reset bios is bad on this motherboard, i had cheaper 990xa-gd55 which had bottom on the back of motherboard... I dont get it why MSI changed that good thing.
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« Reply #4 on: 19-April-17, 12:25:53 »

This board does not have IMC SOC in UEFI?
That sounds pretty bad.. :(
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« Reply #5 on: 19-April-17, 16:28:58 »

No i doesn't has SOC control in BIOS, only cpu, NB, RAM voltage and some analog? control of the way how voltage and amperage is deliveredm about 7 settings with many profiles- although they are very helpfull... there is no information what they exactly do, different betewen profiles...
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« Reply #6 on: 20-April-17, 08:40:26 »

OK, in that case it's the NB voltage. Basically this includes the IMC SOC as the north bridge is now in the CPU.
This is safe to raze to 1.15V in theory. What value do you have by default?
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« Reply #7 on: 20-April-17, 22:25:15 »

The value of NB is around 0,87V. I tried today to change that voltage to higher and to change other settings, but nothing worked for me. This motherboard just doesn't want to boot with higher frequency RAM of mine. Shows everytime blackscreen and CPU,DRAM diods glowing red. I have time to 24 April to give back my memory. I asked MSI support about RAM's suppored list and they claim that all metioned RAM will work at their spec's with no problem. I am still wondering about Hyperx kit I metioned, that it will run higher.

I must say, that list of supported RAM is very poor in range of higher freqency 8gb Rams( 1 compatible kit avaiable in most stores in my area) , from my perspective i have most choice in lower or low frequency 8gb RAM's that are lets say in normal price/acceptable Or high-end, high frequency big capacty kits(who will use such RAM's on this motherboard?). That is not ok in my opinion, especially for this price motherboard
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« Reply #8 on: 21-April-17, 00:38:00 »

Pitching in my experience over the past two days since I upgraded.

Relevant parts;
Ryzen 5 1600
G.Skill Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZB) - Currently running @ 2667 CL14-16-16-38 (I know, I know. It's not on the QVL. I misread when purchasing.)
B350 PC Mate on BIOS version 7A34vA2

OC settings;
vCore - Auto
DRAM - 1.36 volts
NB core - 1.1 volts
Retry count (for Auto-Clear CMOS setting) - 2

I used the Memory Try It setting to set the RAM timings and frequency and manually set DRAM and NB core voltages.

When I built the machine it worked OK, using BIOS version A00. Attempting to push the RAM to 2993 or above resulted in an initialisation failure loop (Black screen, no POST, reboot). Other than that it worked fine, CPU-Z benches didn't causes crashes and playing Overwatch showed no issues.

Then I updated the BIOS to the most recent release. Now whenever I do a full shutdown, powering on the computer again makes it do the initialisation failure loop twice before restoring default settings due to the Auto-clear CMOS. No matter what the current profile is, even at default RAM frequency and voltages it does this.
Weird thing is, I can then load a saved OC profile, save changes and reboot successfully and completely stable. So it only happens on a 'cold' boot.

If I remember correctly the default value for NB core on BIOS A00 was 1.0 volts. However when I get into the BIOS after the initialisation failure loop after updating, the BIOS says the NB voltage is 0.864 volts. Could this be the cause of the issue?

I still can't push my RAM above 2667-CL14, but I'm happy sitting on that until future BIOS updates (3200-CL16 is my target). The most pressing issue right now is the initialisation failure loop.
If anyone has any similar experience and potential fixes I'd love some discussion.

Quick update:
Lowered my NB voltage to 1.0 and DRAM voltage to 1.3. All seems stable and running smoothly.
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« Reply #9 on: 21-April-17, 08:46:30 »

Rumors are saying that next week there will be a new BIOS for Tomahawk, let's hope this will also be valid for PC MATE.
What is coming is better compatibility.

AGESA 1.0.0.5 I is planed to arrive in late May and that's a different thing altogether.

As for me, I'm still waiting for the board+CPU to arrive this week, but the memory I had to switch to CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R which will take another week... It's still listed in the QVL nut it's not Samsung B-die as listed there. Corsair do change their IC from one version to another of the same KIT.
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« Reply #10 on: 21-April-17, 10:31:58 »

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Quick update:
Lowered my NB voltage to 1.0 and DRAM voltage to 1.3. All seems stable and running smoothly.
You mean only the problem with boot loop or you also fixed RAM?
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« Reply #11 on: 21-April-17, 21:37:19 »

You mean only the problem with boot loop or you also fixed RAM?

Neither, I was more making a note that I didn't need to have my voltages that high.
However I did solve the boot loop problem by rolling back my BIOS to version A1. I had to set the RAM frequency and timings manually but it boots up first go now. Haven't tried a higher frequency and will probably wait for future updates before I do.

Also found a couple of other things;
- Resuming my PC from sleep mode causes a BSOD (BIOS version A1 & A2, A0 untested). Anyone else experienced this?
- HPET setting is available in BIOS A1 (I think it's in A0 as well) but not in A2
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« Reply #12 on: 22-April-17, 10:38:10 »

Your NB voltage is in normal range, i have same and no issues with this. Maybe try to run computer with only 1 memory bank? And try manually set it at 2133mhz with higher timings, also check maybe if you put togheter everything  right, if your battery bios is in correct position, cpu fan is occupied by cpu fan, try also to disable option called smth like: autoclear CMOS after failure. When you have that problem with loop, whar diods are lighting on your motherboard?
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« Reply #13 on: 22-April-17, 19:13:24 »

I just installed this MB with a Ryzen 1700X and two 8GB sticks of Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16.
It's not on the list but the CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W & CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R are, and that last letter is just for Red/White.
The list says it goes to 3200 MHz, but I couldn't go above 2677 with the latest BIOS.
Anybody successful with going up to 3200 MHz?
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« Reply #14 on: 22-April-17, 22:39:54 »

It seems that for now rather not many people got luck with more than 2667mhz, at least on not metioned RAMs by MSI, very similiar on other b350 motherboards. Did you try every configuration-XMP,Memory try it, manual configuration?

 If you did (and there is only color difference, not some underneath, like different memory chips)  then it would mean that MSI in my opinion was't fully honest when was putting this RAM list on webiste. Or maybe the "color have meaning"- i don't know how it work, but I assume that maybe programist just put every supported RAM name to motherboards BIOS, and only difference in last letter in code name makes it not running... 



By the way I don't understand, why those BIOS's for pcmate, or tomahawk, and probably other similar boards are so poor in OC settings,I mean voltage like SOC wihich seems to help in RAM stability or just RAM timings. My last 4 years old motherboard 990XA-GD55 for Phenom II 965 BE was about very same price like those B350 and had more options, I could if I want change I know? lets say 25 timings settings for RAM, now only 5-6? Why only high(est) price boards got more settings now, I don't know. And I had aslo BIOS reset bottom on back of PC, now I must on this board take my specially modyfied pencil with jumper :) and try to target BIOS reset point between my 2,5 slot graphic card and music card in pcie 16x, which isn't easy without light, everytime when something goes wrong...
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« Reply #15 on: 23-April-17, 00:57:00 »

Your NB voltage is in normal range, i have same and no issues with this. Maybe try to run computer with only 1 memory bank? And try manually set it at 2133mhz with higher timings, also check maybe if you put togheter everything  right, if your battery bios is in correct position, cpu fan is occupied by cpu fan, try also to disable option called smth like: autoclear CMOS after failure. When you have that problem with loop, whar diods are lighting on your motherboard?

Everything looks to be in the correct position and installed properly. Having flashed to the older version of the BIOS I've got no problems now, so I think the new version of the BIOS has a few bugs to do with the Ryzen 5 support.
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« Reply #16 on: 24-April-17, 07:49:52 »

Rumors are saying that next week there will be a new BIOS for Tomahawk, let's hope this will also be valid for PC MATE.
What is coming is better compatibility.
AGESA 1.0.0.5 I is planed to arrive in late May and that's a different thing altogether.

Just got an answer from MSI support for my RAM. I will test with only one stick tonight and see how it goes.

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Dear ThomasPrioul,

 Thanks for contacting MSI technical support.

 Regarding your concern,in this case,we suggest you just install one ram and adjust the DRAM frequency manually for a try.in addition,we will release VA30 BIOS.Please check it.Thanks!

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE.html#down-bios

 Thanks for your cooperation in advance!

 Best Regards,

 MSI Technical Support Team
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« Reply #17 on: 24-April-17, 10:00:55 »

If you still have that case open can you also ask them if in this new BIOS there is a fix for Creative SB0460 on PCI (not express) that makes the board not post?
Pretty please! :)
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« Reply #19 on: 25-April-17, 10:17:34 »

Have anyone try this beta BIOS? Is there some imptovment for RAM compatybility for you? I ask becouse i am little too afraid to update beta BIOS- you know you can be wrong with this only once :)
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« Reply #20 on: 25-April-17, 12:17:04 »

Have anyone try this beta BIOS? Is there some imptovment for RAM compatybility for you? I ask becouse i am little too afraid to update beta BIOS- you know you can be wrong with this only once :)

I'm running it and seeing no improvements.

My setup

MB: MSI B350 PC Mate
CPU: Ryzen 1600
RAM 8GB DDR4 2400 Kingston HX424C15FBK2/8
GFx: RX 460 4GB
SSD: SSDNOW UV400
All stock bios settings

I'm seeing some pretty bad system slow down's and even freezing. anyone else have this?

Example:
1) Playing Wurm Unlimited, euro truck simulator 2 and etc I'm getting alot of frame drops/stuttering when moving around even when setting the games settings to the lowest quality.
2) In windows 10 (latest update) I'm seeing UI lag with things taking awhile to load/pop up even task manger the icons for the software take awhile to show up.
3) Had the whole system freeze a couple times once while watching Netflix the other when I ran CPU-Z bench
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« Reply #21 on: 25-April-17, 12:21:27 »

Have you installed and selected AMD's custom "balanced plan"?
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« Reply #22 on: 25-April-17, 12:23:26 »

Have you installed and selected AMD's custom "balanced plan"?

No what do I need to install?
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« Reply #23 on: 25-April-17, 12:31:52 »

You can find more details here, including a direct donwload link : http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/104368-amd-releases-custom-balanced-power-plan-ryzen-users/
Do you have the latest 1703 Windows 10 build?
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« Reply #24 on: 25-April-17, 12:38:39 »

You can find more details here, including a direct donwload link : http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/104368-amd-releases-custom-balanced-power-plan-ryzen-users/
Do you have the latest 1703 Windows 10 build?

Installed the power plan made no difference.

Yes I'm running windows 10 1703 build.
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« Reply #25 on: 25-April-17, 13:32:38 »

Do a Clear CMOS, go to Bios and load default, reboot and see what happens.
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« Reply #26 on: 26-April-17, 08:22:54 »

Tonight I'm finally going to do my build with some borrowed RAM as mine still did not arrive.

I have one question related to the fan control system:
There are two ways of controlling, direct voltage and PWM (where the control wire is used instead of only the voltage one).
Is it possible to select PWM for CPU fan and Direct control with full 12V (full rpm) for all Sys_Fans?
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« Reply #27 on: 26-April-17, 08:55:47 »

Do a Clear CMOS, go to Bios and load default, reboot and see what happens.

Update after clearing the CMOS

So far have not had anther full system freeze but have noticed some smaller system freezes eg: I scrolled down on a web page or open some software the computer freezes (sounds still play fine if I have sound playing) for 2 seconds then jumps back to life, but seems to be random when it happens but happens often enough to still be noticeable.
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« Reply #28 on: 26-April-17, 10:49:34 »

Generally speaking, we find that for flashing the BIOS it is best to load defaults prior to the flash, as well as right after flashing. This will help resolve any quirks that may arise before and after the flash. 

As far as the slowdown issues that you are seeing, it's difficult to say. I would probably investigate and monitor the CPU's frequency and see what it's doing during those slowdowns. Maybe the frequency is dropping to some very low value for some strange reason.
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« Reply #29 on: 26-April-17, 20:05:43 »

If you still have that case open can you also ask them if in this new BIOS there is a fix for Creative SB0460 on PCI (not express) that makes the board not post?
Pretty please! :)

Hi, I asked about your problem in my reply.
I couldn't make my RAM go to 3200 MHz, even with one stick, as advised by MSI. Waiting for that new BIOS to be stable now...
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« Reply #30 on: 26-April-17, 22:32:15 »

Ran a stress test on the system that spits out some good charts, the vcore voltage drops and CPU clock (3rd chart) fluctuates wildly. does any of this look normal for a stock system (no OC) 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99cARK8CDnVZnY4LTBzVTJSU0U



My setup

MB: MSI B350 PC Mate
CPU: Ryzen 1600
RAM 8GB DDR4 2400 Kingston HX424C15FBK2/8
GFx: RX 460 4GB
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« Reply #31 on: 26-April-17, 23:18:38 »

Ran a stress test on the system that spits out some good charts, the vcore voltage drops and CPU clock (3rd chart) fluctuates wildly. does any of this look normal for a stock system (no OC)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99cARK8CDnVZnY4LTBzVTJSU0U



My setup

MB: MSI B350 PC Mate
CPU: Ryzen 1600
RAM 8GB DDR4 2400 Kingston HX424C15FBK2/8
GFx: RX 460 4GB
SSD: SSDNOW UV400
PSU: 650watt

I wouldn't say it fluctuates wildly....you're talking about +/- 200 MHz, so 400 MHz after minute 3. I don't really think that's too concerning.....
What is concerning is the VIN12 and how much that drops over time. And the VCore does drop, but it's weird how it drops at around the 2 minutes 40 seconds mark. That's about the time when the VIN12 drops below 0.65V or so. 

The voltages definitely seem to be playing a part here. 

What power supply do you have? manufacturer and model # exactly?
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« Reply #32 on: 26-April-17, 23:46:36 »

i have 2x 8gb corsair 3200 ddr4 ram and a 1700x everything's been running fine but i have the red gpu led on idk how to to get rid of it what could it be. im no expert in this being my first computer build.
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« Reply #33 on: 26-April-17, 23:55:39 »

i have 2x 8gb corsair 3200 ddr4 ram and a 1700x everything's been running fine but i have the red gpu led on idk how to to get rid of it what could it be. im no expert in this being my first computer build.

That RED LED indicates that you are NOT using an iGPU (integrated GPU). It's perfectly normal for it to be on if you are using a discrete GPU.
None of the Ryzen CPU's at this time include a built in GPU, so it'll pretty much always be on.
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« Reply #34 on: 27-April-17, 00:00:08 »

Hh ok awesome, what a relief thank you :)
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« Reply #35 on: 27-April-17, 00:23:27 »

I wouldn't say it fluctuates wildly....you're talking about +/- 200 MHz, so 400 MHz after minute 3. I don't really think that's too concerning.....
What is concerning is the VIN12 and how much that drops over time. And the VCore does drop, but it's weird how it drops at around the 2 minutes 40 seconds mark. That's about the time when the VIN12 drops below 0.65V or so.

The voltages definitely seem to be playing a part here.

What power supply do you have? manufacturer and model # exactly?

PSU is a Thermaltake Toughpower 80+ Gold 650W TPD-0650M
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« Reply #36 on: 27-April-17, 01:00:01 »

PSU is a Thermaltake Toughpower 80+ Gold 650W TPD-0650M
To me, it looks like your supply is having issues keeping up with the system when it gets loaded heavily.....

Well...... See : https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

Going by that list, it sits at around a Tier 4 supply.....

I stand by Seasonic. Pretty much ANYTHING they sell (ie anything they brand and sell) is pretty good (as long as you pair the right wattage with your system).

I recently bought a X-series 650W supply and it's running great for my i7 4770k @ 4.3 GHz and a GTX1080. More than likely, that supply will do you better. That's a Tier 1 rated supply, and it only runs in at about $120 on Amazon. Not too bad for a power supply of that quality.

I personally always tell people, if you're going to spend $800 on your system, or more (ok, probably closer to $1200), why would you buy a $50 power supply to give it all power?

Long story short, use the list above as a guideline. Find a supply from a good maker that is listed above (I would stick to Tier 1 and 2 if you plan to do ANY overclocking at all, and for a general machine for gaming even the Tier 3's are probably just fine......any lower I would probably just stay away from in general). 

That's my general thoughts in regards to it.
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« Reply #37 on: 27-April-17, 01:04:10 »

To me, it looks like your supply is having issues keeping up with the system when it gets loaded heavily.....

Well...... See : https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

Going by that list, it sits at around a Tier 4 supply.....

I stand by Seasonic. Pretty much ANYTHING they sell (ie anything they brand and sell) is pretty good (as long as you pair the right wattage with your system).

I recently bought a X-series 650W supply and it's running great for my i7 4770k @ 4.3 GHz and a GTX1080. More than likely, that supply will do you better. That's a Tier 1 rated supply, and it only runs in at about $120 on Amazon. Not too bad for a power supply of that quality.

I personally always tell people, if you're going to spend $800 on your system, or more (ok, probably closer to $1200), why would you buy a $50 power supply to give it all power?

Long story short, use the list above as a guideline. Find a supply from a good maker that is listed above (I would stick to Tier 1 and 2 if you plan to do ANY overclocking at all, and for a general machine for gaming even the Tier 3's are probably just fine......any lower I would probably just stay away from in general).

That's my general thoughts in regards to it.

Damn just got this supply and it ran $130 gotta love Australia :/ I though in an antec 550W supply I had laying around and got pretty much the same results in the test. as I linked to before.
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« Reply #38 on: 27-April-17, 03:12:41 »

Yeah. I'm not as familiar with what is available in AUS, as I'm in the US.

All I can say is that I've almost always spent as much on a power supply as I do on a large storage drive.
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« Reply #39 on: 27-April-17, 03:41:29 »

Yeah. I'm not as familiar with what is available in AUS, as I'm in the US.

All I can say is that I've almost always spent as much on a power supply as I do on a large storage drive.

someone on anther forum said it's possible the reporting of some of the sensors might not be correct as the temp shows lower in OCCT then it does in Ryzen Master. but resetting the bios and using ryzen master on profile 1 with the speed set to 3400 MHz OCCT charts give a solid CPU Clock and vCore voltage.  (but the VIN12 still drops down but maybe wrongly reported as with that much of a drop you would think the program or windows would start to become un-responsive?)
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« Reply #40 on: 27-April-17, 08:47:36 »

I've finally installed my system. I've went through VA2 and then to beta VA32 just to have a stable point of return.
I am happy to say that the system boots and adding the Creative SB0460 did not create any problems.
I will install the OS tonight and see how it goes.

Also I've asked MSI if they can implement a solution for that idiotic red LED when you have no integrated GPU.

Now for the white LEDs, which I did not know existed, is there a way to permanently disable them and not use any bloatware software like Mystic light?
Or disable it and then uninstall the application, will it stay off?

PS. the post time is normal now, no more 30 seconds lag, pretty pleased with this VA32. I will start OC testing in the weekend.

Later edit: BIOS VA3 final is now available: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE.html#down-bios
Changes in this version: - Improved memory compatibility.
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« Reply #41 on: 27-April-17, 14:37:11 »

I have updated this BIOS and after all tricks I know i coudnt't still go any higher than 2666mhz on RAM ;-(( No change at all, also I got first time freeze in deafult bios settings, when try to exit the hardware monitor, after fan tune... Fortunetly all OC profiles are intact and at least for now my OC profile for 3950 Ryzen seems stable for short prime test as was before update.(I was tuning RAM with no OC on CPU).

I am still waiting for update that will fix my G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4, 8GB(2x4GB), 3600MHz, CL17 (F4-3600C17D-8GVK), I would be so grateful if MSI/AMD would do that.
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« Reply #42 on: 27-April-17, 21:05:07 »

Anyone whos updated to bios VA3 does MSI control center just freeze as soon as you open it now for you?
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« Reply #43 on: 28-April-17, 01:45:29 »

Updated to BIOS A3 from A1, pretty much the same. Can't push RAM above 2667Mhz CL14, BSOD after coming out of sleep mode. No boot loop like I was having on BIOS A2, so that's a plus.

Not sure what else has changed. At least it isn't crashing I guess.
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« Reply #44 on: 28-April-17, 11:28:13 »

Anyone whos updated to bios VA3 does MSI control center just freeze as soon as you open it now for you?
Same here, no solution. I just can't use it now.


I received my RAM CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R and I can say that even if  it's in the QVL it doesn't work at 3200MHz. It does work only at 2933 with A-XPM2 or Try it @ 14-16-16-36.

What is very strange is that OC from BIOS does not apply in the OS, at all. Meaning that voltage and RAM setting are just as set in BIOS but CPU multiplayer will never go to what I set in BIOS.
I've installed the latest AMD drivers with AMD optimized power plan, but no luck.

Has anyone encountered this behavior? (I've also disabled C&Q and auto boost)
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« Reply #45 on: 28-April-17, 16:40:59 »

I reflashed my Bios and this issue dissappeared. Guess it wassn't doing the full clear CMOS.

Now, one interesting question, is there a way to still enable some sort of function similar to C&Q?
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« Reply #46 on: 28-April-17, 19:48:07 »

I am using now C&Q with no problem with latest BIOS, but you must be sure to enable this setting in BIOS, and set in windows energy plan like balanced. In my case i see CPU-z Q&C makes in IDLE  the 2200mhz rom 3950mhz
More over after some testing, opening new tabs in MSI command center, I have't got any freeze. At least I am using 3.0.0.19v, I am downloading the 3.0.0.20v of that program.

Anyone whos updated to bios VA3 does MSI control center just freeze as soon as you open it now for you?

OMG...
I have just installed the 3.0.0.20v msi command center, and have same problem :bonk:
I just dont't get it. People I know this is new platform, but if they put on website the 4th BIOS and still some people like above on newest BIOS are reporting that they can't set their RAM  listed on QVL on supported speed, then they upload the program for this motherboaed that was working and now isn't( I assume that somebody was testing it before uplading...) then something is not good...
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« Reply #47 on: 28-April-17, 20:07:36 »

OK, so you have OC, but is it on auto voltage?

I use manual frequency of 3800, manual voltage of 1.250V and obviously if I choose C&Q on or off it makes no difference. It's glued at 3800.
Also if you install the latest AMD chipset driver from AMD (not MSI) it installs AMD balanced profile.

Funny part is that even with all on auto, only memory on Try-it, it still stays at 3.4 idle and when only 2 cores are used it goes to 3.7

I have a Rayzen 1600 which should default to 3200 but it does not even at 100% full load on Prinem 95, it only goes 3.4 or 3.7 (with 1/2 cores active).
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« Reply #48 on: 29-April-17, 07:55:38 »

No I was setting RAM on 1,35v, without CPU OC and energy saveing options in bios, I was trying all configurations with XMP, memory try it and manual settings with voltage i said, NB rised to 1,2v/1,1v and thigher timings then auto timings and with timings said by the G.skill. But to luck with any of this with higher frequency on RAM than 2666. More over I can set manually only 3200mhz max, how you can set 3800 manually if BIOS rather not allow that with manual mod?
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« Reply #49 on: 29-April-17, 08:46:17 »

I was talking about CPU frequency only. RAM will never change frequency and does not have Q&C.
 For the RAM it's clear, we need to wait for new microcode from AMD. MSI even if they list my RAM in QVL at 3200 it's basically the older version 4.xx with Samsung ICs, not the new one 5.xx with Hynix, that I have (so basically we are talking about to different models even if Corsair say it's the "same").

What I want to get, ideally, is a way to keep CPU OC to 3.8 but also have some down clock automatically controlled function for idle situation.   Even if it will nor decrease the voltage but at least it could decrees the multiplayer and you would still save energy and heat waist.
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