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I'm starting this thread to discuss the tweaks, changes or otherwise improvements in the X370 XPower Gaming Titanium MB Bios' Beta or official.

Personally the Bios that functioned the best for my Ram was Version 1.34 and I was able to get all 4 dims up to 2667Mhz, on all other versions I was only able to achieve 2400 with super tight timings, 12,12,12, 30.  but the XMP on my ram is 3200Mhz C14,16,16,16,36 @ 1.35V (CMD32GX4M4C3200C14C) http://www.corsair.com/en-us/dominator-platinum-se-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c14-memory-kit-chrome-cmd32gx4m4c3200c14c

Has anyone gotten their ram over 3200Mhz on this board?
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #1 on: 07-May-17, 18:48:33 »

Any and all X370 tbh. I'm hoping we can get our RAM running at it's XMP settings in all instances. Alternatively, a new stepping of Ryzen with 3200MHz "official" support would be nice too.
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I'm starting this thread to discuss the tweaks, changes or otherwise improvements in the X370 XPower Gaming Titanium MB Bios' Beta or official. Personally the Bios that functioned the best for my Ram was Version 1.34 and I was able to get all 4 dims up to 2667Mhz, on all other versions I was only able to achieve 2400 with super tight timings, 12,12,12, 30. but the XMP on my ram is 3200Mhz C14,16,16,16,36 @ 1.35V (CMD32GX4M4C3200C14C) http://www.corsair.com/en-us/dominator-platinum-se-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c14-memory-kit-chrome-cmd32gx4m4c3200c14c Has anyone gotten their ram over 3200Mhz on this board?
I have my G.Skill FlareX @3200 on the x370 Gaming Pro Carbon and my buddy with an X370 XPower Gaming Titanium has his at 3200. his is G.SKILL TridentZ Series it is on the compatibility list 
His https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232407&cm_re=F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW-_-20-232-407-_-Product
Mine https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530&ignorebbr=1
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #4 on: 08-May-17, 21:38:36 »

I read over the weekend that AMD releasing Agesa code that will support more Hynix ram options, supposedly it's going to be put out Monday, we shall see.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #5 on: 08-May-17, 21:39:47 »

I read over the weekend that AMD releasing Agesa code that will support more Hynix ram options, supposedly it's going to be put out Monday, we shall see.
Which will be great! However.....it'll take MSI another week (or two) to put out updated BIOS's then. Be patient, and hopefully it's sooner than that.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #6 on: 09-May-17, 15:54:14 »

wtb Coreboot on everything with binary blob plugin support. Download AGESA and plug it in myself
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #7 on: 11-May-17, 15:50:25 »

What's the highest setting anyone has been able to run stable for the Game Boost?
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« Reply #8 on: 12-May-17, 10:45:52 »

What's the highest setting anyone has been able to run stable for the Game Boost?


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I'm starting this thread to discuss the tweaks, changes or otherwise improvements in the X370 XPower Gaming Titanium MB Bios' Beta or official.

Personally the Bios that functioned the best for my Ram was Version 1.34 and I was able to get all 4 dims up to 2667Mhz, on all other versions I was only able to achieve 2400 with super tight timings, 12,12,12, 30.  but the XMP on my ram is 3200Mhz C14,16,16,16,36 @ 1.35V (CMD32GX4M4C3200C14C) http://www.corsair.com/en-us/dominator-platinum-se-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c14-memory-kit-chrome-cmd32gx4m4c3200c14c

Has anyone gotten their ram over 3200Mhz on this board?
For me, the best has been the Shipping ver 1.10 (aka 110, I never tried 117). It flat out "worked" with my RAM like you'd expect. Plugged it in, turned it on, set it to 3200, saved, done. Didn't have to use AXMP, but even that worked just fine. Reboots? No problems. Crashes? None. 100% Stability. Since then I've tried release v1.3, beta v1.41, release v1.4, beta v1.51, release v1.5, and now beta v1.61. 

They all have either completely broken RAM @ 3200, or are extremely temperamental. Generally things go like this: I set defaults, restart, flash the updated BIOS, enter and apply defaults, restart, ONLY set RAM to 3200, timings to 16-15-15-35 (kit is 2x8GB TridentZ 3200 15-15-15-35 Sammy B dies), set DRAM Voltage to 1.35 (operates at 1.36V though), and save.

Results prior to v1.4/v1.41b were no POST, results with v1.4-newer are it'll work. HOWEVER, it will not work if you have to restart for any reason, be it a crash or properly with Windows, or any sort of power cycle within at least an hour of shutdown will all result in a POST failure reboot cycle and defaults situation. As of v1.61b (I don't think the v1.5x did it) this has changed to something peculiar where it will reach the point where it's JUST about to POST and load the MSI logo, but hangs with a flashing command-line cursor on a black screen and a D6 diagnostic code, which is a "failure to initialize the video adapter". Restarting will invoke same thing, then eventually it'll do the "defaults" sequence.... except the defaults are not loaded when I go into the BIOS... it shows RAM is running at 3200 (instead of 2133 like it always shows when it HAS reverted). I'll save-exit, load Windows, and have verified it is at 3200. So figure that one out eh? lol In the end I suppose that IS better than the past versions, where it'd boot loop to Defaults and then I'd never get it to boot again at 3200... short of re-flashing I mean :P  (and no, setting Defaults via exit menu, or using F6 for Optimal, and restarting before trying to apply 3200 again, did not help...)

Beyond that, as long as I Sleep the computer each night, it works mostly fine. There are a lot of memory issues with 1.61 though, with sporadic CTD of Minecraft (don't judge lol I own/operate a MC server ), but only 1 BSoD so far. 

Using v1.10 the only issue was the "Sleep Bug", and the combined issue of the temperature readings getting screwed up after a sleep. Otherwise, zero issues with it and I continually debate going BACK to it, having done so once already after problems with v1.4. I honestly wish that I could easily pull the AGESA out to mix-and-match and see where the problem is... if it's in the MSI changes, or if it's in the AGESA changes... I mean, I like the newer versions because they have BCLK hidden and I mod that to be visible (NOTE: my reports above are based on running unmodded versions, so if my modding was to somehow be the cause here, it would mean that the issue persists even after flashing a release twice back-to-back, as well as having flashed my original v1.10 dump [as they only have v1.17 available to download], which means there are bigger issues at play...) and while it is only, what I feel to be, more-or-less an adjustment of the very basic skew clock control to offset a crystal pulling too low a value (choices are Auto, 100, 101 102, 103), it is better than nothing... :P Granted, so far, only 100, 101, 102 are stable, as 103 fails to POST and I feel like it's caused by something OTHER than Memory. While running at 102, when I tried to add another HDD it would fail to POST, so I suspect at 103 it's derping the SATA controller. 

My critiques other than that (in no specific order), have been that I have to modify and un-hide the "AMD Cool'n'Quiet" option (at least I have been since in early versions they've hidden it, I've assumed it still is). The DRAM "Bank Interleave" and "Channel Interleave" options are stuffed in an menu that's inaccessible through our ClickBIOS II GUI (and I can't move them), as I'd just like to benchmark things with 2 sticks in "Single Channel" mode for my own curiosity's sake. The voltage options should ALL show what they are currently running at EVEN IF they are set to "Auto", as that gives us a solid baseline for what everything is, and when you're on a brand new platform that's quite important for learning about your system! That there's no actual BCLK adjustments (I know they've left it hidden because it'd make them the laughing stock of the high end boards), which is something I'm kinda pissed about, but oh well. That we can't adjust Sub-Timings, but that's on AMD (I feel like that might be coming soon, since when I'd un-hide those menus, they used to at least DISPLAY what they were running at, and now they've been removed altogether). That we aren't given control over the LEDs, since the ones behind the audio cause that translucent PCB line to glow a very unflattering and contrasting "PCB-Yellow", as well as the Pump header when set to DC is a ugly ass Green. That the "ProcODT" memory option provides little to no info in the way of how it might be of benefit to anyone, what it is running at when configured to Auto... which again, rather important, since if one speed isn't working right at Auto where for example say it's running at 60Ohm, we can then at least try 62.5Ohm or 58Ohm, etc. With such a massive list of choices for that, I've only bothered with Auto and High Impedance (since that's what "Safe Defaults" value apparently is), not that either seems to help, and for all I know Auto is already utilizing High Impedance; thus, for all I know I've not actually changed anything....

Last thing to rant about is the lack of P-State options, since we don't get BCLK. At least if we were given P-State like what most other vendors have provided, we'd be able to keep Boost capability and, more importantly, the auto Voltage, since changing voltage or Core clock puts the chip into "Overclock Mode" and thus we lose those functions (literally, AMD configured some register to flip to a value of like 0x0C, indicating Overclock Mode lol).
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #10 on: 14-May-17, 12:50:44 »

A bunch of stuff

There's a difference between constantly complaining and not giving constructive criticism, and genuinely telling it how it is. On top of that, you're not demanding (like my 3 year old son does....) for things to be fixed. 
Can't fault you for that.

I don't have that board, so I can't really comment highly on it. It's one of the most updated BIOS's MSI has (the B350 Tomahawk being the other I believe), and I'm sure there are bound to be issues with it. 

Keep it constructive and on topic related to MSI, and I really have no issues.

More than anything, this forum is here to help users. And I know that SOME versions work better for others. It's highly dependent on the hardware, especially the memory in the case of Ryzen. Can't fault you for that.
Pointing out issues with the BIOS only helps MSI. 
And keeping a positive attitude makes all the world of a difference (especially in the case of moderator.....we deal with enough 'junk' throughout the forums. ;) ).

As with any of the moderators, we are users just like yourselves. We aren't MSI employees. We do have some contacts that we can forward issues to and discuss problems with, but that is the extent of what we have contact wise with MSI. We are not privy to new information, or when the next generation systems (Intel's X299 or AMD's X399 systems) are going to be available. No more than anyone else on the internet.

I just want to ensure that this forum is an open area for users to discuss and troubleshoot their issues. 
And I do not tolerate trolls or users that think MSI should bend the world around to fix their issue immediately. This is a company, and they will react accordingly when problems arise. :)
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #11 on: 15-May-17, 02:29:07 »

I can run 3200MHz starting with BIOS 1.4 (or whichever had updated AGESA 1.0.0.4a), but it's  unstable and my memory reports 1-bit errors at 1.35-1.45v.  At 1.5v RAM, it starts cooperating a bit more with less errors, but I'm unwilling to test higher voltages.  CPU NB voltage must be at 1.05-1.0625v for my CPU.  This will vary due to yields and leakages in silicon of Ryzen CPUs and their IMCs.

I should note that before BIOS 1.4, setting 3200MHz resulting in immediate fail.  Black screen plus a few beeps, then shutdown.  This happened on BIOS 1.1 too, as my board shipped with this version.

1T command rate is the main issue for my kit at 3200MHz.  I need 2T CR for stability.
RAM: CMU16GX4M2C3200C16, single rank

For quad-DIMM kits, it'll depend on how tolerant your Ryzen IMC is until the next AGESA 1.0.0.5 update that opens a huge amount of RAM timings for modification.  This should help OC compatibility as there'll be more timings to loosen.

Current settings:
RAM: 1.36v
RAM speed: 2933
RAM timings: 14-14-14-32-1T
CPU NB: 0.850v (auto with LLC 2)

I found A-XMP to be too aggressive with CPU NB, so I've disabled it and manually set timings and voltages.

A-XMP NB voltages:
2933: 1.0-1.1v
3200: 1.2v

These might be more useful for dual-rank kits or quad-DIMM single rank kits.

The main issue with this is heat under heavy loads.  This will increase Ryzen temps at least 2-5C (more with OC), so if you're near the 75C throttle temp limits with OC, be wary of that.

A-XMP off (CPU NB set to Auto):
2933: 0.850v
3200: 1.050v (borderline stable, so I use 1.0625v)
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #12 on: 15-May-17, 04:42:03 »

It's interesting. 

Right now on my test bed, I've got some junky ADATA DDR4 sticks that are only rated for 2400 MHz. They work fine at 2400 MHz. But lately, the CPU has most definitely been overheating. System would randomly shut off.

Also started this weekend taking MUCH longer to POST. 

I'm hoping that within the next week, when I have time, to compile a large FAQ of some kind to post and help users through some of the issues. Granted my board is a B350 Gaming Plus and not one of the X370's, I'm pretty sure it'll help everyone along the way.

I have no word on when new BIOS's should be available. But I know that starting today they were doing a ton of internal testing at MSI.....so I can only imagine there will be new BIOS's hopefully this week. :)
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #13 on: 18-May-17, 17:19:21 »

I read over the weekend that AMD releasing Agesa code that will support more Hynix ram options, supposedly it's going to be put out Monday, we shall see.

Whover told you Monday is in LA LA Land. The updates in bios will be coming close to the end of May in  a little less than 2 weeks.
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« Reply #14 on: 20-May-17, 04:24:29 »

It's interesting.

Right now on my test bed, I've got some junky ADATA DDR4 sticks that are only rated for 2400 MHz. They work fine at 2400 MHz. But lately, the CPU has most definitely been overheating. System would randomly shut off.

Also started this weekend taking MUCH longer to POST.

I'm hoping that within the next week, when I have time, to compile a large FAQ of some kind to post and help users through some of the issues. Granted my board is a B350 Gaming Plus and not one of the X370's, I'm pretty sure it'll help everyone along the way.

I have no word on when new BIOS's should be available. But I know that starting today they were doing a ton of internal testing at MSI.....so I can only imagine there will be new BIOS's hopefully this week. :)

Thanks for the update. I was figuring perhaps Wedneday or Thursday a new beta will be likely to come.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #15 on: 21-May-17, 11:21:23 »

I found A-XMP to be too aggressive with CPU NB, so I've disabled it and manually set timings and voltages.

A-XMP NB voltages:
2933: 1.0-1.1v
3200: 1.2v

These might be more useful for dual-rank kits or quad-DIMM single rank kits.

The main issue with this is heat under heavy loads.  This will increase Ryzen temps at least 2-5C (more with OC), so if you're near the 75C throttle temp limits with OC, be wary of that.

A-XMP off (CPU NB set to Auto):
2933: 0.850v
3200: 1.050v (borderline stable, so I use 1.0625v)
Do you think/know (or anyone, for that matter) if using the A-XMP profiles (even if it's Intel's XMP on the RAM), adjusts sub-timings to anything different than what just selecting that speed applies? 

Example, my sticks are 15-15-15-35 @ 3200, so A-XMP Profile 1 is for 3200. I've not been bothering to use that though, and just manually selecting DDR4-3200 from the drop-down, setting DRAM Voltage to 1.35, then timings to 16-15-15-35, and that works fine for me (in general). If I could squeeze out a tiny bit more performance using the profile though... I'll switch to that for sure. heh I just assumed, with everything running Automated on the SubTimings, there wasn't going to be any adjustments made :P
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #16 on: 22-May-17, 03:02:02 »

For me, the best has been the Shipping ver 1.10 (aka 110, I never tried 117). It flat out "worked" with my RAM like you'd expect. Plugged it in, turned it on, set it to 3200, saved, done. Didn't have to use AXMP, but even that worked just fine. Reboots? No problems. Crashes? None. 100% Stability. Since then I've tried release v1.3, beta v1.41, release v1.4, beta v1.51, release v1.5, and now beta v1.61.

They all have either completely broken RAM @ 3200, or are extremely temperamental. Generally things go like this: I set defaults, restart, flash the updated BIOS, enter and apply defaults, restart, ONLY set RAM to 3200, timings to 16-15-15-35 (kit is 2x8GB TridentZ 3200 15-15-15-35 Sammy B dies), set DRAM Voltage to 1.35 (operates at 1.36V though), and save.

Results prior to v1.4/v1.41b were no POST, results with v1.4-newer are it'll work. HOWEVER, it will not work if you have to restart for any reason, be it a crash or properly with Windows, or any sort of power cycle within at least an hour of shutdown will all result in a POST failure reboot cycle and defaults situation. As of v1.61b (I don't think the v1.5x did it) this has changed to something peculiar where it will reach the point where it's JUST about to POST and load the MSI logo, but hangs with a flashing command-line cursor on a black screen and a D6 diagnostic code, which is a "failure to initialize the video adapter". Restarting will invoke same thing, then eventually it'll do the "defaults" sequence.... except the defaults are not loaded when I go into the BIOS... it shows RAM is running at 3200 (instead of 2133 like it always shows when it HAS reverted). I'll save-exit, load Windows, and have verified it is at 3200. So figure that one out eh? lol In the end I suppose that IS better than the past versions, where it'd boot loop to Defaults and then I'd never get it to boot again at 3200... short of re-flashing I mean :P  (and no, setting Defaults via exit menu, or using F6 for Optimal, and restarting before trying to apply 3200 again, did not help...)

Beyond that, as long as I Sleep the computer each night, it works mostly fine. There are a lot of memory issues with 1.61 though, with sporadic CTD of Minecraft (don't judge lol I own/operate a MC server ), but only 1 BSoD so far.

Using v1.10 the only issue was the "Sleep Bug", and the combined issue of the temperature readings getting screwed up after a sleep. Otherwise, zero issues with it and I continually debate going BACK to it, having done so once already after problems with v1.4. I honestly wish that I could easily pull the AGESA out to mix-and-match and see where the problem is... if it's in the MSI changes, or if it's in the AGESA changes... I mean, I like the newer versions because they have BCLK hidden and I mod that to be visible (NOTE: my reports above are based on running unmodded versions, so if my modding was to somehow be the cause here, it would mean that the issue persists even after flashing a release twice back-to-back, as well as having flashed my original v1.10 dump [as they only have v1.17 available to download], which means there are bigger issues at play...) and while it is only, what I feel to be, more-or-less an adjustment of the very basic skew clock control to offset a crystal pulling too low a value (choices are Auto, 100, 101 102, 103), it is better than nothing... :P Granted, so far, only 100, 101, 102 are stable, as 103 fails to POST and I feel like it's caused by something OTHER than Memory. While running at 102, when I tried to add another HDD it would fail to POST, so I suspect at 103 it's derping the SATA controller.

My critiques other than that (in no specific order), have been that I have to modify and un-hide the "AMD Cool'n'Quiet" option (at least I have been since in early versions they've hidden it, I've assumed it still is). The DRAM "Bank Interleave" and "Channel Interleave" options are stuffed in an menu that's inaccessible through our ClickBIOS II GUI (and I can't move them), as I'd just like to benchmark things with 2 sticks in "Single Channel" mode for my own curiosity's sake. The voltage options should ALL show what they are currently running at EVEN IF they are set to "Auto", as that gives us a solid baseline for what everything is, and when you're on a brand new platform that's quite important for learning about your system! That there's no actual BCLK adjustments (I know they've left it hidden because it'd make them the laughing stock of the high end boards), which is something I'm kinda pissed about, but oh well. That we can't adjust Sub-Timings, but that's on AMD (I feel like that might be coming soon, since when I'd un-hide those menus, they used to at least DISPLAY what they were running at, and now they've been removed altogether). That we aren't given control over the LEDs, since the ones behind the audio cause that translucent PCB line to glow a very unflattering and contrasting "PCB-Yellow", as well as the Pump header when set to DC is a ugly ass Green. That the "ProcODT" memory option provides little to no info in the way of how it might be of benefit to anyone, what it is running at when configured to Auto... which again, rather important, since if one speed isn't working right at Auto where for example say it's running at 60Ohm, we can then at least try 62.5Ohm or 58Ohm, etc. With such a massive list of choices for that, I've only bothered with Auto and High Impedance (since that's what "Safe Defaults" value apparently is), not that either seems to help, and for all I know Auto is already utilizing High Impedance; thus, for all I know I've not actually changed anything....

Last thing to rant about is the lack of P-State options, since we don't get BCLK. At least if we were given P-State like what most other vendors have provided, we'd be able to keep Boost capability and, more importantly, the auto Voltage, since changing voltage or Core clock puts the chip into "Overclock Mode" and thus we lose those functions (literally, AMD configured some register to flip to a value of like 0x0C, indicating Overclock Mode lol).
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« Reply #17 on: 25-May-17, 07:52:20 »

Well the 1.71 lets me boot at 3200 14-14-14-34 @ 1T on my TridentZ F4-3200C14D-16GTZ set.  I have zero stability, but I can boot.  That's a significant improvement! I'm really curious about what will come from the new ASEGA code.
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« Reply #18 on: 25-May-17, 10:14:10 »

Well the 1.71 lets me boot at 3200 14-14-14-34 @ 1T on my TridentZ F4-3200C14D-16GTZ set.  I have zero stability, but I can boot.  That's a significant improvement! I'm really curious about what will come from the new ASEGA code.

1.71 or 1.72? I never released 1.71......(since 1.72 was newer and already available.....)
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« Reply #19 on: 25-May-17, 10:42:19 »

I am using the configuration of 1800X and 1080Ti SLI.
I updated to BIOS 1.72, but BIOS code (C 0) was displayed and did not POST.
Even trying CMOS clear was the same.

If you return to BIOS 1.60, it starts normally.
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Well whatever they've done with 1.72 has really improved my system beyond belief, I'm running 12,12,12,23 @3600Mhz with 0 Stability issues.
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« Reply #21 on: 25-May-17, 13:19:14 »

I'm actually having a more difficult time getting 3200 to work on 1.72, no POST now.  I've tried auto timings to manually selecting the timings, and none boot at 3200.  I know the work isn't finished yet, but it's a little weird how each of our memory ICs react.  The amount of timings available is awesome!

2933, however, is still flawless.

Because I'm near the temperature limits with my OC, the new CPU NB auto voltage is way too high for me (1.152v, IIRC).  I've actually observed a 5-10C increase in temps.  I've set it back to 0.900v (2933 only), then use Command Center and Ryzen Master to get 0.850v.  I'll have to make adjustments when 3200 works, as I do need at least 1.0625v.

Addendum: I finally was able to get 3200 to POST with all auto timings, but the CPU NB bumped all the way up to 1.200v.  It still was not stable.  Windows crashed almost immediately.  This was with 1T or 2T command rate.  Every now and then, it'd fail to boot on restarts too.
14-14-14-30-1T still works on 2933, so I've remained there for the time being.
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« Reply #22 on: 26-May-17, 08:46:15 »

1.71 or 1.72? I never released 1.71......(since 1.72 was newer and already available.....)

Oops - 1.72.  As per usual, my fingers move faster than my brain.  That said, I have gotten some semblance of stability! The C0 error is mildly inconvenient, but a simple push of the restart and it boots up cleanly.  I still get random CTDs in games, but overall I'm pleased.  I dropped to 2T and tweaking some voltages to do it.  More tweaking to get additional stability may be in order.  Also, it seems like even at slightly higher voltage (1.2 VCore and 1.375 to the ram, plus a little bump to the NB), and a little more OC on the processor (3600 vs 3500), Ram (3200 vs 2933), I seem to have lower temps.  More investigation will have to be done. 
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« Reply #23 on: 26-May-17, 15:08:46 »

Small update:  I'm starting to test each DIMM, and so far, Memtest86 hasn't thrown any errors with stick 1, slot A2 in single channel at 3200.  Stick 2 from slot B2 will be tested next.  I may test it in slot B2 to test that slot as well.

ProcODT is at 60ohm.  Everything else is auto-set, as the timings are setting correctly.

EDIT: Huh.  I put stick 2 back into B2 with stick 1, and bumped CPU NB to 1.25v and RAM up to 1.4v.  I can boot into Windows without it crashing now.  I artificially induced errors with stick 1 by lowering CPU NB to 1.075v.  Memtest started throwing errors even in single channel.  I also went back to stock clocks.

http://imgur.com/D1PVZ5N

EDIT 2: Eh, I went back to 2933 and restored my OC.  Running SiSoft Sandra's synthetic arithmetic test resulted in 74C temps at stock clocks and CPU core auto voltages, so that 1.25v CPU NB voltage is really pushing thermals.  This is with a Corsair H100iv2 with a total of 4 fans (two top push, two bottom pull).  I get 74C at 3.9GHz at 1.3625v (mode 4 LLC) with 0.850v NB.  Synthetic memory tests are only about 1% better at 3200 (16-18-18-36-2T) vs 2933 (14-14-14-30-1T).  Larger differences would be observed at the same latencies, but these ICs can't run 3200 at 14-14-14-30-1T.
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« Reply #24 on: 27-May-17, 01:04:32 »

Oops - 1.72.  As per usual, my fingers move faster than my brain.  That said, I have gotten some semblance of stability! The C0 error is mildly inconvenient, but a simple push of the restart and it boots up cleanly.  I still get random CTDs in games, but overall I'm pleased.  I dropped to 2T and tweaking some voltages to do it.  More tweaking to get additional stability may be in order.  Also, it seems like even at slightly higher voltage (1.2 VCore and 1.375 to the ram, plus a little bump to the NB), and a little more OC on the processor (3600 vs 3500), Ram (3200 vs 2933), I seem to have lower temps.  More investigation will have to be done.

CTD's generally means that your OC is not quite stable, in my experience with Ryzen.
I would drop your OC by 100 MHz or so and see if things improve.
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« Reply #25 on: 27-May-17, 23:35:58 »

Just an update from my end.... I am loving 1.72!!!! Though, I have 2x8GB Single-Rank with Samsung B-Die (TridentZ 3200 CL15-15-15 kit)
3200? Works again with zero issue for me; including warm and cold starts
3333 even works quite well.
3466 worked once... I haven't been able to get it to POST since :\
ODD Timed tCL now work at 3200! Finally can run my RAM at it's advertised 15-15-15 and it BE running at 15-15-15 instead of 16-15-15 lol

Some new options for Voltages too (I presume hidden, but I didn't bother to flash one I hadn't modded haha). I'm hoping those will be released officially, as two of them are RAM related. I believe one is voltage during Pre-POST which is labeled DRAM Voltage(Training) and then another one that I assume is POST/operating voltage called DRAM Voltage(BIOS). They don't have a relevant Help string though, and had to find out by total happenstance that they're values are in mV, which explained why they lacked a decimal input ability.

Only hiccup I've ran into that is of complaint is my Command Rate seems to have gotten stuck on 2T. However, from all I can tell, it hasn't seemed to impact performance any (AIDA64 scores are all the same), which is kinda surprising...

I definitely feel for those of you who ARE having issues with 1.72, since that was my story ever since 1.1 :(
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« Reply #26 on: 28-May-17, 22:43:41 »

Hi everyone I have had my Titanium X370, Ryzen 7 x1800 and 2 x Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200 8GB Currently @ 3066Mhz 16:18:18:36 for about 2 weeks now and I have had a problem with the system shutting down immediately or monitor loosing signal and no hdd led activity, While under a heavy load such as running the CPU Physics benchmark in 3DMark or just loading Mass Effect Andromeda.

So first thing I thought was that the PSU was on its way out but I was not convinced 100% as the timing was a bit convenient with it only showing signs since updating my system and it was working fine in my previous system:

Z87 Asus Deluxe Quad / Core i7 4770K 4.5Ghz 
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I have since trimmed my drives down to 1 DVD/ 2 SSD/2 SHDD/1 M2

So to cut a long story shorter I used a multimeter and software (don't recommend) to get an idea of what voltage my 12/5v lines where supplying under load I was unsure of the results but really wanted to rule it out  so I went out and bought a Cooler Masters RM1000X 1000w PSU to replace the Thermaltake 750W Modular PSU that's probably close to 5yo.

So eventually the same problem cropped up with MEA and 3DMark so I dropped the overclock on the GFX and lowered the Ram/Cpu OC and this seemed to let the benchmark complete without problem but MEA still blacked screened but the loading screen got further along before this happened, By this time I'm getting pretty fed up of Bios updates waiting for AGESA 1.0.0.6 etc.. I'm currently on Beta Bios 1.72.

My case is a Cooler Master Cosmos II and it is HEAVY and without a side window (for now) so I haven't had it pulled out much while iv been doing this, But I had it out tonight and removed side panel loaded MEA and watched the Debug LCD while resuming/loading the game I saw 95... 96... 97... 00 & black screen loose signal no HDD led activity and it dawned on me that it was a (incorrect) temp readout and the system seemed to be trying to protect the cpu from over heating..

So I did it again and paid attention to the Aida64 CPU Temp that I had to manually add the -20 temp offset to and the LCD temp was exactly 20 over what Aida64 was showing, I since confirmed the difference with Ryzen Master.

So the kicker is I have a brand new DeepCool AIO 360mm Radiator with the 3 stock rad fans pushing & 3 AK-FN059 venom vipers pulling fitted on the CPU complete with AM4 Bracket & Artic Silver #5 Paste, My case is always cool has a really good airflow with good amount of pressure.

I am going to try and set the CPU temp threshold under the OC settings to its highest and try again after posting this.

Has anyone else noticed the incorrect temp on the LCD or suffered from similar problems? I don't mind the readout being off but don't like the mobo making safety shutdown decisions based on a incorrect temperature reading....

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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #27 on: 29-May-17, 00:07:11 »

Bunch of stuff

I'm a bit unclear what your system is comprised of....you mention a lot of stuff, but don't really say exactly what is in your X370 system. See : >>Posting Guide<<

I've been fighting a very very similar situation with my B350 system.
I would get random black screens, etc...
It ranged from anywhere sitting at the desktop, browsing web pages, to loading games, running benchmarks, etc....it tended to be random, but intensive stuff (games, benchmarks) definitely made it happen in a more controllable manner.

Long story short, I'm about 99% sure it was the R9 280X GPU I was using causing most of my issues. I ended up downclocking the 280X from 1500 MHz memory to 1400 MHz memory and that seemed to remedy the situation. I've been running benchmarks and stress tests on it now for quite a while and it seems to be holding up.
The really strange part is it wasn't the GPU core, voltage, or any of that, but problems with the memory of all things. Just dropping it by 100 MHz seems to have resolved my issues.

Why am I saying this? Well, is it possible that maybe your GTX 1080 Armor (the GPU I'm assuming you're using in the ryzen system) is getting too hot or perhaps isn't working quite right?
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« Reply #28 on: 29-May-17, 01:20:52 »

I've gone back to 3200 (16-18-18-36-2T) with my 3.9GHz OC.  I managed to get some semblance of stability and lower temps.  Some games respond well to the higher NB (Infinity Fabric) speeds, especially at 1080p.  Inter-CCX communication and available bandwidth is increased, and latency might be reduced a little.  Fallout 4 is much smoother overall, as many assets are loaded into RAM and streamed to my GPU's limited 3GB VRAM.  I'll test out The Witcher 3 tomorrow.

CPU NB - 1.25v (most stable for me at 3200, but it's quite a large jump from 0.850v at 2933)
RAM - 1.40v (for added stability)
CLDO_VDDP (DDR4 PHY in CPU) - 0.725v

Other timings:
tRC - 54T (adjusted from default 75T at 3200 in auto)
tRFC - 560
tFAW - 36T (seems to be set at 34T in auto)
tRRD - 9T (incorrectly set at 6T in auto)
tRRD_L - 12T (adjusted from 9T in auto)

ProcODT at 60 ohm still works best for my RAM at 3200.

I tried to get them as close to the XMP SPD values without system instability.  Things are working pretty well right now.

Read about the new timings and AGESA update here: https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram
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« Reply #29 on: 29-May-17, 04:12:05 »

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 That the "ProcODT" memory option provides little to no info in the way of how it might be of benefit to anyone, what it is running at when configured to Auto... which again, rather important, since if one speed isn't working right at Auto where for example say it's running at 60Ohm, we can then at least try 62.5Ohm or 58Ohm, etc. With such a massive list of choices for that, I've only bothered with Auto and High Impedance (since that's what "Safe Defaults" value apparently is), not that either seems to help, and for all I know Auto is already utilizing High Impedance; thus, for all I know I've not actually changed anything....

Hi Formula350

Hope this helps about it:

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog

and this video it is long but very helpful

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« Reply #30 on: 29-May-17, 16:14:04 »

I've gone back to 3200 (16-18-18-36-2T) with my 3.9GHz OC.  I managed to get some semblance of stability and lower temps.  Some games respond well to the higher NB (Infinity Fabric) speeds, especially at 1080p.  Inter-CCX communication and available bandwidth is increased, and latency might be reduced a little.  Fallout 4 is much smoother overall, as many assets are loaded into RAM and streamed to my GPU's limited 3GB VRAM. I'll test out The Witcher 3 tomorrow.

CPU NB - 1.25v (most stable for me at 3200, but it's quite a large jump from 0.850v at 2933)
RAM - 1.40v (for added stability)
CLDO_VDDP (DDR4 PHY in CPU) - 0.725v

Other timings:
tRC - 54T (adjusted from default 75T at 3200 in auto)
tRFC - 560
tFAW - 36T (seems to be set at 34T in auto)
tRRD - 9T (incorrectly set at 6T in auto)
tRRD_L - 12T (adjusted from 9T in auto)

ProcODT at 60 ohm still works best for my RAM at 3200.

I tried to get them as close to the XMP SPD values without system instability.  Things are working pretty well right now.

Read about the new timings and AGESA update here: https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram

Well, The Witcher 3 crashed my system a bit weirdly.  It was total system shutdown, yet the RAM LEDs were still pulsing.  No response from power button.  Overall pretty weird; could be more GPU related, as I've had it happen before when the GPU draws a lot of power (even on my old system).  I've readjusted some timings to get a bit more stability, rather than match XMP settings exactly.  I put tRC back up to 75T and tRRD_L is at 9T (same as tRRD); the turn around timings that were at 1T, I put up to 2T.  3200 does take a bit of manual tweaking, but I don't mind it.  The main reason I'm loosening timings is to reduce crash-to-desktop (CTD) issues that result from instability.  I have some pictures of my BIOS settings that I'll share if it helps anyone.  I'll post links in a bit.

Overall voltages - http://imgur.com/a/y2w7g

Modified timings (in BIOS order):
tRC - 75T
tRCPAGE - 0 (Auto)
tRFC - 560 (Auto)
tWR - 26T
tWTR_S - 4T (Auto)
tWTR_L - 12T (Auto)
tRRD_S - 9T
tRRD_L - 9T (Auto)
tRTP - 12T (Auto)
tFAW - 36T
tCWL - 14T (Auto)
tCKE - 8T (Auto)
Screenshot - http://imgur.com/a/JRDEA

Turn around (only modified):
tRDRDSC - 2T
tWRWRSC - 2T
tWRRD - 2T
(these were all at 1T that I bumped up to 2T for stability)
Screenshot - http://imgur.com/a/JYBDM

DigitALL Power - http://imgur.com/a/DyxQU

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« Reply #31 on: 29-May-17, 17:22:50 »

I'm a bit unclear what your system is comprised of....you mention a lot of stuff, but don't really say exactly what is in your X370 system. See : >>Posting Guide<<
.... is it possible that maybe your GTX 1080 Armor (the GPU I'm assuming you're using in the ryzen system) is getting too hot or perhaps isn't working quite right?

Thanks for the reply darkhawk I have added my primary system to my signature, The 1080 is only a few months old and was used in my previous Z87 system and has been rock solid stability wise since iv had it temps hit 35-37c idle and 63-68 under full load always with fans @100%, The system is having issue when the CPU is under 100% load the temperature hangs in low 80's if the temp reaches 84c the system either powers straight off or screen signal dies and no hdd led activity. Under minimal load my CPU temp hangs in the low 40's normally sitting at 41c.

The only 2 things I run that I see put every core/thread under 100% load are 3DMark Fire Strike - CPU Physics Test & Loading/Resuming Mass Effect Andromeda (as soon as the game loads the cpu load drops)

I sheepishly changed the CPU Power Duty Control to Current Balance rather than Temperature balanced which seems to have mitigated the issue a bit I was able to play MEA earlier today everything set to ultra for about 2 hrs without any issue at a stable 85-120fps CPU Temp 55-63c GPU Temp  62-67c

But if anything produces a full load on every core/thread on the CPU and the temp reaches 84c my PC will either power straight off (not restart) or No Video signal/No HDD led but fans spinning.

The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is the OS/MOBO thinks the CPU is 20c hotter than it is and is killing the system to prevent damage.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #32 on: 29-May-17, 19:20:18 »

Well, The Witcher 3 crashed my system a bit weirdly.  It was total system shutdown, yet the RAM LEDs were still pulsing.  No response from power button.  Overall pretty weird; could be more GPU related, as I've had it happen before when the GPU draws a lot of power (even on my old system).  I've readjusted some timings to get a bit more stability, rather than match XMP settings exactly.  I put tRC back up to 75T and tRRD_L is at 9T (same as tRRD); the turn around timings that were at 1T, I put up to 2T.  3200 does take a bit of manual tweaking, but I don't mind it.  The main reason I'm loosening timings is to reduce crash-to-desktop (CTD) issues that result from instability.  I have some pictures of my BIOS settings that I'll share if it helps anyone.  I'll post links in a bit.

Overall voltages - http://imgur.com/a/y2w7g

Modified timings (in BIOS order):
tRC - 75T
tRCPAGE - 0 (Auto)
tRFC - 560 (Auto)
tWR - 26T
tWTR_S - 4T (Auto)
tWTR_L - 12T (Auto)
tRRD_S - 9T
tRRD_L - 9T (Auto)
tRTP - 12T (Auto)
tFAW - 36T
tCWL - 14T (Auto)
tCKE - 8T (Auto)
Screenshot - http://imgur.com/a/JRDEA

Turn around (only modified):
tRDRDSC - 2T
tWRWRSC - 2T
tWRRD - 2T
(these were all at 1T that I bumped up to 2T for stability)
Screenshot - http://imgur.com/a/JYBDM

DigitALL Power - http://imgur.com/a/DyxQU

RAM: Corsair CMU16GX4M2C3200C16 (single rank, Hynix ICs, ver 5.39)

I would probably back the NB/SOC voltage off a little to 1.2V max. That's really the max I would ever set it at for 24/7 usage and such. You really don't want that SOC voltage to get too high and blow out the chip.

Is there any reason to run it that high? Does it not work at 1.1V at those speeds?
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« Reply #33 on: 29-May-17, 19:27:33 »

Thanks for the reply darkhawk I have added my primary system to my signature, The 1080 is only a few months old and was used in my previous Z87 system and has been rock solid stability wise since iv had it temps hit 35-37c idle and 63-68 under full load always with fans @100%, The system is having issue when the CPU is under 100% load the temperature hangs in low 80's if the temp reaches 84c the system either powers straight off or screen signal dies and no hdd led activity. Under minimal load my CPU temp hangs in the low 40's normally sitting at 41c.

The only 2 things I run that I see put every core/thread under 100% load are 3DMark Fire Strike - CPU Physics Test & Loading/Resuming Mass Effect Andromeda (as soon as the game loads the cpu load drops)

I sheepishly changed the CPU Power Duty Control to Current Balance rather than Temperature balanced which seems to have mitigated the issue a bit I was able to play MEA earlier today everything set to ultra for about 2 hrs without any issue at a stable 85-120fps CPU Temp 55-63c GPU Temp  62-67c

But if anything produces a full load on every core/thread on the CPU and the temp reaches 84c my PC will either power straight off (not restart) or No Video signal/No HDD led but fans spinning.

The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is the OS/MOBO thinks the CPU is 20c hotter than it is and is killing the system to prevent damage.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere.....

I personally don't know about the 20C offset and if that is still in effect at the moment. I would generally hope that it isn't at this point.

That being said, if your CPU is hitting 84C for real, to me that would mean your cooler isn't working very well. Are you sure that the cooler is working well? 
Does the cooler have it's own integrated temp sensor at all? What does the temperature of that read?

I'll see if I can find out regarding the CPU temp reporting.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #34 on: 30-May-17, 11:16:13 »

My system throws memory errors below 1.25v CPU NB at 3200MHz.

0.850v at 2933 to 1.25v at 3200 is a larger than normal increase, but that's what works right now.  If I put CPU NB down to 1.1v, it starts randomly failing to POST and will not train DRAM properly.  It then resets memory to 2133.  If I go below 1.1v, it immediately fails to boot (unlike previously where I could run 1.0625v at 3200).

I've still not achieved 100% stability at 3200.  It's proving difficult for me.  At least Windows isn't crashing like crazy when I first started my 3200 attempts.  I'm chipping away at it, but unfortunately, CPU NB must remain at 1.25v on 1.72 beta.

There's like a memory hole between 3000-3200 where it's difficult to run.  For whatever reason, 3400 is easier, but I'll need to get some G.Skill TridentZs.  I'm eyeing some 4000MHz chips.  If they drop below $225 ($200 if we're lucky), I'm snapping them up.  They're at $250 right now for 16GB, which is a bit pricey.  Demand for RAM is still high.
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« Reply #35 on: 30-May-17, 11:53:25 »

My system throws memory errors below 1.25v CPU NB at 3200MHz.

0.850v at 2933 to 1.25v at 3200 is a larger than normal increase, but that's what works right now.  If I put CPU NB down to 1.1v, it starts randomly failing to POST and will not train DRAM properly.  It then resets memory to 2133.  If I go below 1.1v, it immediately fails to boot (unlike previously where I could run 1.0625v at 3200).

I've still not achieved 100% stability at 3200.  It's proving difficult for me.  At least Windows isn't crashing like crazy when I first started my 3200 attempts.  I'm chipping away at it, but unfortunately, CPU NB must remain at 1.25v on 1.72 beta.

There's like a memory hole between 3000-3200 where it's difficult to run.  For whatever reason, 3400 is easier, but I'll need to get some G.Skill TridentZs.  I'm eyeing some 4000MHz chips.  If they drop below $225 ($200 if we're lucky), I'm snapping them up.  They're at $250 right now for 16GB, which is a bit pricey.  Demand for RAM is still high.

Yeah, I know about the memory holes.....

I wouldn't bother with anything higher than 1.2V. I'll just say to be careful, as it's probably degrading the chip using such a high voltage for minimal performance gain.
I'd stick to 2933 and be happy for now. Less chance of the CPU burning up then.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #36 on: 30-May-17, 18:48:24 »

So, along with your foreboding (@darkhawk) and my overall discomfort with running such a high CPU NB voltage (even water cooled), I've split the difference and have gone for 3066MHz, which is running with a much more reasonable 1.1v NB.

Currently going through Memtest86 via EFI boot (0 errors up to test 9 currently).  Unfortunately, Ryzen is still reluctant to run 15 tCL at higher clocks.  I've set it to 15-16-16-34, but it insists on 16-16-16-34.  I might be able to squeeze out CL14 with increased RAM voltage.

Update: Yep, CL14 is doable with 1.400v RAM.  Currently testing various CPU NB voltages.  I'll report the lowest possible voltage without errors.

Update 2:

RAM speed: 3066
Verified CPU NB: 0.900v (this will vary based on your processor and RAM)
Timings: 14-16-16-34-1T

So, eked out a little more speed at the same 0.900v CPU NB as 2933.  I probably won't adjust it to 0.850v in Command Center (set to auto) and Ryzen Master (set CPU NB to 0.850v and apply).

Here's a HWiNFO64 image: http://imgur.com/2pcjUI1
NB is operating at 1533MHz, a decent increase over 1466MHz (2933) and not too far behind 1600MHz (3200).  So, not too bad, overall.
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« Reply #37 on: 30-May-17, 18:57:46 »

I'd be quite happy with that.
3000 MHz is about where the infinity fabric peaks. You can go higher and get more performance, but it's kind of diminishing returns, if you know what I mean.

As far as timing, generally speaking my understanding is that Ryzen 'prefers' even numbered timings. Which is why you see it going to 16 instead of 15. If it's working well at 16-16-16, then at least if 14 doesn't work well you can default back to that. But at this point I wouldn't stress too much about it. You're getting really good performance.
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« Reply #38 on: 31-May-17, 20:04:24 »

1.73 and now I'm running @ 3200 14-14-14-36, 1T with the same voltages as before, 3700 on the processor (Ryzen) and full stability.  I wonder what the 1.0.0.6 code will bring if this is on the 1.0.0.4a?
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« Reply #39 on: 31-May-17, 22:05:29 »

1.73 and now I'm running @ 3200 14-14-14-36, 1T with the same voltages as before, 3700 on the processor (Ryzen) and full stability.  I wonder what the 1.0.0.6 code will bring if this is on the 1.0.0.4a?

1.72 was 1.0.0.6, same as 1.73....So yeah, it's already running that.
How do I know this? I have access to the developer notes it is noted there that starting with 1.71 (which I didn't post because 1.72 came out the same day), they had incorporated the 1.0.0.6 AGESA code.
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« Reply #40 on: 01-June-17, 05:43:01 »

Ah. With all the ram timings I had suspected this, but then looked at HWinfo and it says 1.0.0.4a. Well, even still. There is nothing to be upset about here. If they clear the C0 hang on reboot, we have a solid option here.
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« Reply #41 on: 01-June-17, 06:37:58 »

Just a quick question, should the auto-detection go up at some stage or do you guys put the timings in manually to reach anything above 2133MHz for your memory?
I have two Vengence 3000MHz 16GB sticks with 1.6 BIOS version at the moment and there was no change since version 1.31, which was the first that worked for me.
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« Reply #42 on: 01-June-17, 07:50:37 »

We either use the XMP profiles or manually enter the timings.  Sometimes both.
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« Reply #43 on: 08-June-17, 18:42:51 »

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I have news for you DD4 3200 dimms with CL15 timings are NOT Samsung B-die. B-die dimms would have timings of 14-14-14-34. They could be E die or some other variant, but definitely NOT B-die.
Sorry, but you're incorrect, they are indeed B-Die. I wouldn't be claiming otherwise if I wasn't already aware of what they had. I'm the one that brought it to everyone's attention a few months ago, that using the DIMM EEPROM editing tool (that has been around for awhile and still updated) called Thaiphoon Burner, can tell you what DRAM ICs your DIMMs are sporting ;)
 
Here is the image I posted originally...


^^^^^^ --------------- -
Which if I may direct your attention to the arrows above...
That is the XMP profile which is set to 1600 MHz, aka DDR4-3200, running with tCL 15, tRCD 15, tRP 15
Also of mention, it's Single Rank, which is displayed both in the JEDEC DIMM LABEL and ORGANIZATION listings.

(Pretty certain that even in the BIOS, when I un-hid that "Memory Patch Info" menu, it reported B-Die as well, but it doesn't really matter much at this point... lol)
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« Reply #44 on: 08-June-17, 19:19:42 »

Just a quick question, should the auto-detection go up at some stage or do you guys put the timings in manually to reach anything above 2133MHz for your memory?
I have two Vengence 3000MHz 16GB sticks with 1.6 BIOS version at the moment and there was no change since version 1.31, which was the first that worked for me.
Personally, on the 1.7x BETAs, I can set my Memory Speed to DDR4-3200, with EVERYTHING on Default (Auto) and it'll work fine. However, unfortunately every system will differ both in terms of the CPU's memory controller AND what RAM you have, and so even someone with identical components to me may not be able to run their system like that. 

That being said, I've managed to dial mine in a lot more running BIOS v1.73beta.
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Single, old SATA II 120GB WD VelociRaptor 10K RPM and an LG DVD-R/W drive.

Settings (unless I mention, it's set to Auto):
CPU Speed & Voltge @ Stock, LLCs all on Auto EXCEPT for the CPU-NB Power set to Current Balance
CPU NB @ 1.075V
DRAM @ 3333
DRAM Voltage @ 1.36V
DRAM Voltage(Training) @ 1450mV (aka 1.45V, but that option is configured to mV input)
DRAM ProcODT @ 48Ohms
DRAM Timings/SubTimings are as followed. Turnaround Timings are on Auto (ignore the red hand-written stuff, I can't post attachments here)


Then once I'm in Windows, I use K17TK utility to change the P0 PState (since MSI won't give us the ability to change PStates in the BIOS!) to FID 38, not touching any other option, and hit apply. 
Overall, it's damn quick!


Will probably flash 1.74 tonight, but *gumble* I wish I knew what the changes were. Quite annoying that MSI won't let Dark post the change logs :( (or at least, the relevant changes)
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« Reply #45 on: 08-June-17, 20:18:31 »

Then once I'm in Windows, I use K17TK utility to change the P0 PState (since MSI won't give us the ability to change PStates in the BIOS!) to FID 38, not touching any other option, and hit apply.
You have no idea how much I have been petitioning for them to add more to the BIOS related to this (P0, P1, and C6)....and other options.....
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« Reply #46 on: 09-June-17, 11:30:57 »

You have no idea how much I have been petitioning for them to add more to the BIOS related to this (P0, P1, and C6)....and other options..... :)
Yea and you know what's funny? heh The dang Strings are IN the BIOS for it! So either they're working on it, or just mean and teasing us ;-((


In all seriousness though, it does seem really strange that all the other board makers (from what I can tell) have had it since launch, or have added it shortly after, yet MSI hasn't.

At least I have K17TK to change it! Only slight downside is it resets after Sleep, but that's extremely minor given all I have to do is click "Apply" again to sort it out. :)

(Ugh! I spent like 30minutes trying to get my sig to display correctly in that Edit Profile text box, then I finally do... only for it to display all misaligned in the forums... :bonk: lol  Ehh, it's close enough now, at least on my side.)
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #47 on: 09-June-17, 15:29:08 »

I've got G-skill TridentZ f4-3200C14D-32GTZSW

they work fine up to 2933mhz and before the 1.0.0.4 based bios they would not post into 3200 no matter what changes I made.

With the 1.0.0.4 based bioses, it started posting but crashing windows on sign-in.

Now with 1.7x, the best I have is with XMP profile 1, I get into windows and it will run for quite a while but stability is bad, programs through weird errors and prime95 fails after about 10sec.

Any changes that I make from there only seem to make stability worse, even if it is just loosening the timings.

I'm sticking with 2933 right now with the the timings tightened up quite a bit. ( 14-13-13-32 1T from 14-14-14-34 1T rated and tRC brought down to 46 from the 76 it defaults to.)

Everything is stable there.  But any higher clock (3k and up) and it's memory errors abounding for all.

Really hoping for a bios that will allow me to use the set at the rated speeds.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #48 on: 09-June-17, 18:22:45 »

I've got G-skill TridentZ f4-3200C14D-32GTZSW they work fine up to 2933mhz and before the 1.0.0.4 based bios they would not post into 3200 no matter what changes I made.With the 1.0.0.4 based bioses, it started posting but crashing windows on sign-in. Now with 1.7x, the best I have is with XMP profile 1, I get into windows and it will run for quite a while but stability is bad, programs through weird errors and prime95 fails after about 10sec. Any changes that I make from there only seem to make stability worse, even if it is just loosening the timings. I'm sticking with 2933 right now with the the timings tightened up quite a bit. ( 14-13-13-32 1T from 14-14-14-34 1T rated and tRC brought down to 46 from the 76 it defaults to.) Everything is stable there. But any higher clock (3k and up) and it's memory errors abounding for all. Really hoping for a bios that will allow me to use the set at the rated speeds.
If you weren't aware of this already, Ryzen's memory controller is only rated to run at certain speeds for certain memory configurations. For example, Single Rank (memory chips on one side of the stick) are able to run the fastest when only using 2 DIMMs (memory sticks), especially if they have Samsung B-Die chips. If you use 4 DIMMs (fill all 4 memory slots) with Single Rank, then your max speed will be limited. 
Dual-Rank (memory chips on both sides of the stick) tax the memory controller even more, and so even running 2 sticks have the possibility to limit your max speed. If you use 4 DIMMs, well, AMD basically only guarantees 2133MHz for speed.
Sticks which have Samsung chips work the best, but there are "grades" to them as well. B-Die are the best, but there are C, D and E as well. Their quality follows the lettering basically.
SK-Hynix have some troubles, but lots of progress by AMD and motherboard makers have meant they've been able to achieve higher speeds than what they were at launch. 
Micron, I have no idea about. I saw mention of someone considering getting them, but I don't know if he ever did go with them or what his results were.

To find out what your memory is equipped with you can use Thaiphoon Burner (don't let the odd name scare you) and once it's open click on the "READ" button. It'll take a moment and then display a window like in my screenshot in a previous post. The highlighted areas are where to look. 
Your's are almost assuredly Double Rank, simply because they're 32GB (assuming it's a 2x16GB kit and not a 4x8GB), as I suspect it's rated at 14-14-14-35. If it's 14-16-16-3X then it might not even be Samsung, in which case you're doing great if you're getting 2933! :) 

My only suggestion for getting 3200 stable, if you hadn't tried it yet, would be to set the DRAM Voltage to 1.4V and the "Command Rate" (in the Timings page) to 2T. You can also try setting the ProcODT to something in the 53.3 to 90 Ohm range, as that may also help. There's also the CPU NB (aka CPU SoC) voltage, but with the newest BIOSes they auto set it anyways. At 3200 it'll set it to 1.15V, but you could safely try 1.2V as well. Don't go higher than that, though. 
There's also the DDR4-3066 option, if 3200 isn't stable. Oh, and on that note, I'd ignore the A-XMP settings, leave it disabled and just change the Memory Speed option.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #49 on: 09-June-17, 19:20:06 »

GENERALLY speaking...
Samsung B-die > Samsung E-die > Micron > SK Hynix....
Whether it be an Intel or a Ryzen system, generally speaking, that's how they are rated.....
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