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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #150 on: 26-July-17, 13:29:27 »

So anything above 3066 is failing no matter how lax the timings or how generous the voltage.  But I've discovered a new issue.  I have returned to the CO boot lock.  Every reset results in this. I have to reset the machine a second time.  I flashed back to 1.7 official and it persists through the flash.  I've set everything to default prior to the flash and after and it still does it.  Reflashed back to 1.82 and the error is still here.  Anyone else?
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #151 on: 26-July-17, 22:51:57 »

As of update to 1.81 I've been able to get my Corsair Dominator Platinum SE to 3600mhz at 14 14 14 22 and my cinebench jumped from 1680 to 1860 with the CPU at 3600Mhz. So I'm very happy about that. system seems extremely snappy, I do have a 500GB Samsung 960 Pro which doesn't hurt...

    You never mentioned either your rated memory speed nor cpu overclock or any stability tests that your system passed. It would be beneficial for all if you provide that information.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #152 on: 03-August-17, 07:07:28 »

Hey Darkhawk - Can we possible chat with MSI again pertaining to posting of changelogs?  I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering what each new beta bios is bringing to the table.  I get it was shelved during the dark days early on, but things are improving drastically and this would be a benefit to all involved. Well, except you. You'll have more copy/pasting to do.
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« Reply #153 on: 03-August-17, 08:41:25 »

Hey Darkhawk - Can we possible chat with MSI again pertaining to posting of changelogs?  I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering what each new beta bios is bringing to the table.  I get it was shelved during the dark days early on, but things are improving drastically and this would be a benefit to all involved. Well, except you. You'll have more copy/pasting to do.

As much as I would like to post them, I can't. This is something that we discuss a bit, and they just will not budge. I don't think it has anything to do with the engineers I speak with, this is a management decision from those higher up.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #154 on: 03-August-17, 11:07:46 »

   You never mentioned either your rated memory speed nor cpu overclock or any stability tests that your system passed. It would be beneficial for all if you provide that information.
It's one of the limited to 500 edition of the corsair platinum, paid nearly 5bills for it, CMD32GX4M2C3200C14C. as for stability I run BOINC 24/7 which will crash an unstable system quicker than any burn in tests. CPU is at 3975 @3.75volts runs at 55C under full load. I did run CPUID burn in test and Cinebench. System has been on for 2 weeks at this point with no restarts.
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« Reply #155 on: 05-August-17, 09:58:50 »

It's one of the limited to 500 edition of the corsair platinum, paid nearly 5bills for it, CMD32GX4M2C3200C14C. as for stability I run BOINC 24/7 which will crash an unstable system quicker than any burn in tests. CPU is at 3975 @3.75volts runs at 55C under full load. I did run CPUID burn in test and Cinebench. System has been on for 2 weeks at this point with no restarts.

I know your vcore was posted incorrectly. 3.75 volts??? Your cpu would be toast.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #156 on: 05-August-17, 10:08:36 »

Darkhawk, as you are aware with my bios issue I have to enable game boost in order to modify cpu multiplier and post successfully. With the latest 1.83 bios that is no longer an option. The only good thing about 1.83 is that gameboost starts at 3.8 GHZ on setting 1 instead of 4.0GHZ and goes up in 50 mhz  increments. I was running at 3.875 before now that  I can no longer adjust the cpu multiplier with game boost enabled I can not set cpu to boot at 3.875 GHZ it has to be 3.85 GHZ or 3.9 GHZ.  I hope this agesa code issue can eventually be sorted out by AMD as the straight jacket on my cpu is getting tighter and tighter.
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« Reply #157 on: 05-August-17, 18:29:02 »

Yikes.  In 1.83 beta, OC with Cool'n'Quiet enabled is broken.  I'm currently limited to 3.0GHz (3.9GHz set in BIOS) in Windows and 1.275v Vcore (manually set to 1.3625v in BIOS).  Using MSI Command Center, the voltage is set to Auto (CPU control).  Command Center also shows that the CPU is changing clocks (3.0GHz-3.9GHz, as I have minimum CPU state set to 75%), but HWiNFO does not correlate that and neither do benchmarks.

I'm going to disable Cool'n'Quiet in the BIOS and see if it fixes this issue.

EDIT: Disabling Cool'n'Quiet does indeed fix the clock/voltage issue.  So, I'm running at max clocks 24/7, which isn't great as I have long idle periods.  Usually why I leave C'n'Q enabled even with OC.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #158 on: 08-August-17, 16:56:51 »

I have noticed the same issue with C'n'Q but I refuse to disable it as even with an OC the PC should be able to go back down to an idle state.
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« Reply #159 on: 09-August-17, 22:08:41 »

Yeah, I went back to BIOS 1.70 stable.  I wanted the debug LED temp readout back too.  I'll still test future betas, but I like having CnQ with my OC.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #160 on: 10-August-17, 05:10:07 »

Just flashed the stable bios 1.80 witch just appear on support page.

Temperature monitoring on LED IS BROKEN shows 24.

 The problem appeared i believe since 1.81 beta and your dev team couldn't fix it after 2 more beta releases so there are 2 possibilities :
1. The dev team doesn't take account of feedback posted on forum.
2. The motherboard is broken and they can't fix it.

Who knows what else might be broken...

The DEV team doesn't watch the forums (as far as I'm aware). The only way to really report it is to contact MSI directly. See : >>How to contact MSI.<<
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #161 on: 10-August-17, 13:35:25 »

For me, the best has been the Shipping ver 1.10 (aka 110, I never tried 117). It flat out "worked" with my RAM like you'd expect. Plugged it in, turned it on, set it to 3200, saved, done. Didn't have to use AXMP, but even that worked just fine. Reboots? No problems. Crashes? None. 100% Stability. Since then I've tried release v1.3, beta v1.41, release v1.4, beta v1.51, release v1.5, and now beta v1.61.

They all have either completely broken RAM @ 3200, or are extremely temperamental. Generally things go like this: I set defaults, restart, flash the updated BIOS, enter and apply defaults, restart, ONLY set RAM to 3200, timings to 16-15-15-35 (kit is 2x8GB TridentZ 3200 15-15-15-35 Sammy B dies), set DRAM Voltage to 1.35 (operates at 1.36V though), and save.

Results prior to v1.4/v1.41b were no POST, results with v1.4-newer are it'll work. HOWEVER, it will not work if you have to restart for any reason, be it a crash or properly with Windows, or any sort of power cycle within at least an hour of shutdown will all result in a POST failure reboot cycle and defaults situation. As of v1.61b (I don't think the v1.5x did it) this has changed to something peculiar where it will reach the point where it's JUST about to POST and load the MSI logo, but hangs with a flashing command-line cursor on a black screen and a D6 diagnostic code, which is a "failure to initialize the video adapter". Restarting will invoke same thing, then eventually it'll do the "defaults" sequence.... except the defaults are not loaded when I go into the BIOS... it shows RAM is running at 3200 (instead of 2133 like it always shows when it HAS reverted). I'll save-exit, load Windows, and have verified it is at 3200. So figure that one out eh? lol In the end I suppose that IS better than the past versions, where it'd boot loop to Defaults and then I'd never get it to boot again at 3200... short of re-flashing I mean :P  (and no, setting Defaults via exit menu, or using F6 for Optimal, and restarting before trying to apply 3200 again, did not help...)

Beyond that, as long as I Sleep the computer each night, it works mostly fine. There are a lot of memory issues with 1.61 though, with sporadic CTD of Minecraft (don't judge lol I own/operate a MC server ), but only 1 BSoD so far.

Using v1.10 the only issue was the "Sleep Bug", and the combined issue of the temperature readings getting screwed up after a sleep. Otherwise, zero issues with it and I continually debate going BACK to it, having done so once already after problems with v1.4. I honestly wish that I could easily pull the AGESA out to mix-and-match and see where the problem is... if it's in the MSI changes, or if it's in the AGESA changes... I mean, I like the newer versions because they have BCLK hidden and I mod that to be visible (NOTE: my reports above are based on running unmodded versions, so if my modding was to somehow be the cause here, it would mean that the issue persists even after flashing a release twice back-to-back, as well as having flashed my original v1.10 dump [as they only have v1.17 available to download], which means there are bigger issues at play...) and while it is only, what I feel to be, more-or-less an adjustment of the very basic skew clock control to offset a crystal pulling too low a value (choices are Auto, 100, 101 102, 103), it is better than nothing... :P Granted, so far, only 100, 101, 102 are stable, as 103 fails to POST and I feel like it's caused by something OTHER than Memory. While running at 102, when I tried to add another HDD it would fail to POST, so I suspect at 103 it's derping the SATA controller.

My critiques other than that (in no specific order), have been that I have to modify and un-hide the "AMD Cool'n'Quiet" option (at least I have been since in early versions they've hidden it, I've assumed it still is). The DRAM "Bank Interleave" and "Channel Interleave" options are stuffed in an menu that's inaccessible through our ClickBIOS II GUI (and I can't move them), as I'd just like to benchmark things with 2 sticks in "Single Channel" mode for my own curiosity's sake. The voltage options should ALL show what they are currently running at EVEN IF they are set to "Auto", as that gives us a solid baseline for what everything is, and when you're on a brand new platform that's quite important for learning about your system! That there's no actual BCLK adjustments (I know they've left it hidden because it'd make them the laughing stock of the high end boards), which is something I'm kinda pissed about, but oh well. That we can't adjust Sub-Timings, but that's on AMD (I feel like that might be coming soon, since when I'd un-hide those menus, they used to at least DISPLAY what they were running at, and now they've been removed altogether). That we aren't given control over the LEDs, since the ones behind the audio cause that translucent PCB line to glow a very unflattering and contrasting "PCB-Yellow", as well as the Pump header when set to DC is a ugly ass Green. That the "ProcODT" memory option provides little to no info in the way of how it might be of benefit to anyone, what it is running at when configured to Auto... which again, rather important, since if one speed isn't working right at Auto where for example say it's running at 60Ohm, we can then at least try 62.5Ohm or 58Ohm, etc. With such a massive list of choices for that, I've only bothered with Auto and High Impedance (since that's what "Safe Defaults" value apparently is), not that either seems to help, and for all I know Auto is already utilizing High Impedance; thus, for all I know I've not actually changed anything....

Last thing to rant about is the lack of P-State options, since we don't get BCLK. At least if we were given P-State like what most other vendors have provided, we'd be able to keep Boost capability and, more importantly, the auto Voltage, since changing voltage or Core clock puts the chip into "Overclock Mode" and thus we lose those functions (literally, AMD configured some register to flip to a value of like 0x0C, indicating Overclock Mode lol).
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DisclaimerDisclaimerDisclaimerDisclaimerDisclaimerDisclaimerDisclaimerYou needn't worry about me, Darkhawk! :D  I am not ranting with the notion that MSI will see this and do something about it. I know that I have to actually convey these sentiments to them via their official contact means through the Support page. I'm just venting steam :) I know full well that SOME of these points of mine are simply 'early adopter' issues, and the rest are not yet bothering me quite enough to motivate me to file an official 'complaint'. heh

I found this searching for custom p-states. I have a asrock x37 tiachi M/B running at 3950 top and the power is regulated nicely using custom p-states. I have to run my Pro Carbon and my Titanium full out @3850. My ram runs easily at 3200 on the Tiachi but I can only get 2932 on the Titanium. I'll have to see if I can contact msi about custom-p states.
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Re: X370 XPower Gaming Titanium (7A31V1) Bios Discussion
« Reply #162 on: 14-August-17, 20:58:34 »

Just flashed the stable bios 1.80 witch just appear on support page.

Temperature monitoring on LED IS BROKEN shows 24.

 The problem appeared i believe since 1.81 beta and your dev team couldn't fix it after 2 more beta releases so there are 2 possibilities :
1. The dev team doesn't take account of feedback posted on forum.
2. The motherboard is broken and they can't fix it.

Who knows what else might be broken...
Beta V1.83 is created after stable V1.8 (by the time of file) (V1.81 -> V1.82 -> V1.8 -> V1.83)
I think they do not watch forum.
So...what is that forum for?
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« Reply #163 on: 15-August-17, 09:40:32 »

Just flashed the stable bios 1.80 witch just appear on support page.

Temperature monitoring on LED IS BROKEN shows 24.

 The problem appeared i believe since 1.81 beta and your dev team couldn't fix it after 2 more beta releases so there are 2 possibilities :
1. The dev team doesn't take account of feedback posted on forum.
2. The motherboard is broken and they can't fix it.

Who knows what else might be broken...
Cannot confirm this. Using stable 1.80
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« Reply #164 on: 15-August-17, 13:23:03 »

Cannot confirm this. Using stable 1.80

I can.  I'm using stable 1.7 because I only get 24 with stable 1.8, no motherboard temp.
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« Reply #165 on: 16-August-17, 07:29:03 »

I can.  I'm using stable 1.7 because I only get 24 with stable 1.8, no motherboard temp.

I contacted support about problem with debug led and constant temperature value 24 under OS. They replied:

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I dont understand, if they say, that is it is bug, and it will be correct in next BIOS or it is feature and it will not be correct in future.
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« Reply #166 on: 16-August-17, 09:29:32 »

It reads like they are saying it's working as intended?  That makes no sense.  Can you reply to them for clarification?
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« Reply #167 on: 16-August-17, 13:25:44 »

It is a BUG since it's not mentioned in BIOS changelog.

It is in the BIOS notes, as of 1.82. It is in fact NOT a bug.
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« Reply #168 on: 16-August-17, 15:02:43 »

We are talking here about bios 1.80 from : https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM.html#down-bios

7A31v18 Release Date 2017-08-03 File Size 8.58 MB

 
 
Description
 
- Improved Intel 600P M.2 compatibility.
 - Enhanced board explorer function.
 - Improved post time.
 - Support "Above 4G Decoding" function.
 
 
 
Beta bios thread doesn't contain any change logs since : "NOTE 3: BIOS NOTES will not be provided. If this causes you hesitation, then don't flash them and stick to the most recently released version found on your motherboards product support page"

The product manual doesn't provide a description for code 24 neither the manual that can be downloaded from support page.

The only conclusion for anybody getting the 1.80 bios from support page  is that the motherboard is defective since in the manual page for the Debug LED is specified : Displays current CPU temperature after
the system has fully booted into the OS.

And I'm telling you different, because I know. I can actually see the BIOS notes (in case you haven't picked up on it, I'm the moderator that actually posts the BIOS's....). No, I am not allowed to share what they care. But I can confirm that indeed, in BIOS 1.82, it removes the CPU temp display on the debug display after BIOS.

You're more than welcome to contact MSI about it, but as you have already seen, they are telling you the same thing I am. As far as I am aware, it's not a bug and is working as intended. It may not work they way you want it to work, but it's working the way MSI wants it to.
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« Reply #169 on: 16-August-17, 16:53:38 »

I'm mystified as to why they would take away the temperature monitoring after bios.  What does the 24 (or 40, as it shows now) represent?  Real time system temperature monitoring on the board is actually useful.  This is troubling.  Darkhawk, is it possible for you to submit user feedback to them about this?  They are already hearing it from us, but an extra nudge from you can't hurt, right?
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« Reply #170 on: 16-August-17, 18:21:30 »

I do what I can. Trust me. There's so much that I fight for. More than most users even comprehend.

Look. I'm with you guys on this. I think it's dumb. I'm an engineer at my real job. I know why you want it, and I agree, it's useful and really doesn't take up any space or much code to implement.

However....again....I'm really just a slightly more empowered user than yourself. My words, my emails (daily in some cases), my thoughts, really don't mean much more than yours.

This is why I urge users to contact MSI directly. A few users complaining, doesn't mean much. A bunch of users complaining? Well....you get the idea.

Why doesn't MSI post the bios notes in more detail? I can't really say specifically. I don't think it has anything to do with the engineers I talk with on a regular basis. I think it's more a management decision. And if you've ever had a job where you deal with management.....you'll know how stupid that can be. Again, I'm right there with you. I want to release BIOS notes. I really do. Even though it means that I have an absolute TON more work to do for each of the 3 beta bios threads I maintain. Even if I could post abridged versions of the BIOS notes, with only information relevant to users and that they would understand, I would do it. But I'm not allowed. I'm not even 100% sure I should be specifically answering questions like I did above (hell, I'll probably get an email about it if they notice), but better to confirm it, than let users continue thinking it's a bug and start returning the boards (again, not a good idea. Hurting MSI like that won't help at all in the long run).

So please, understand that I do everything I can to help users. I'm with you. Unfortunately, I'm stuck between a rock (MSI) and a hard place (users) in trying to get it resolved.
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« Reply #171 on: 17-August-17, 00:27:10 »

at 1.80, my trident z cannot run at 3200MHz, (around 3170MHz with 3200MHz XMP setting), 1.70 and 1.83 has no issue.

so there are some other reasons about MSI remove the feature of CPU temper display?

it is hard to imagine.
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« Reply #172 on: 17-August-17, 09:00:31 »

I'm as big a fan of hyperbole as the next guy, but this is a bit extreme.  Losing a useful feature sucks, especially when we gained nothing at the same time.  If removing the code gave us a 10% performance boost? Sure, okay.  Removing it for the sake of removing it?  Stupid, but not dangerous.  

Darkhawk - we know you try.  Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I think the majority of us do.  So - worst case scenario, I roll back to 1.7 stable and get my temp sensor back.  Nothing I've done has kept me stable at the speeds I want to be at, so it's clear I just lost the silicon lottery.  Talk about first world problems.  lol
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« Reply #173 on: 17-August-17, 10:05:11 »

I'm far more curious about the *why* than I am about the fact it's not listed in the official BIOS changelog.  They disabled it. It's not a bug.  Okay, why?  What do they gain from this change? That's the part that troubles me.
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« Reply #174 on: 17-August-17, 16:50:00 »

I'm far more curious about the *why* than I am about the fact it's not listed in the official BIOS changelog.  They disabled it. It's not a bug.  Okay, why?  What do they gain from this change? That's the part that troubles me.
I think, reason it is this: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-7-have-a-temperature-20-degree-c-reporting-offset.html

MSI Command Center start show different value than Debug Led some days ago than BIOS. And only X AMD ryzen processor has offset.

And how solve problem without big implementation? :-) Turn off temperature on Debug Led :-).
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« Reply #175 on: 18-August-17, 08:06:02 »

Seems to me a simple  If-Then command would be easy enough to implement.  If Ryzen 1*00x, Then (Temp)-20c for the debug LED.  I mean, an electrical/software engineer I am not, but...
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« Reply #176 on: 18-August-17, 08:52:15 »

I definitely contacted MSI about this and other issues with 1.80 "stable".

1) OC with Cool'n'Quiet is broken just like 1.83 beta (sticks at 3.0GHz and ~1.280v in Windows unless you fully disable CnQ)
2) Debug LED CPU temp disabled (mine showed 33)
3) Unhide HPET option in BIOS (it's been hidden since 1.3 or 1.4 I think)

I also offered up a suggestion to allow P-state overclocking by using a voltage offset instead of setting a manual static voltage.  I've been using Auto voltage with LLC2 (1.368-1.384v under load at 3.9GHz) on BIOS 1.7 just to gain variable voltage back with my OC.  Long idle power consumption has been reduced significantly with that (goes down to 0.888v, 3w CPU core power draw with 50% core parking - one CCX disabled), and it can still do prime95 small FFT.
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« Reply #177 on: 21-August-17, 02:47:29 »

Can we actually find out what the debug readout actually means then?  Mine says 33 also with 1.80 biotch, I had assumed my mobo had just froze on a random temperature.
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« Reply #178 on: 23-August-17, 17:48:15 »

I went 2 weeks talking to tech, only to come across this and find out that the 24 code and now 40 permacode was normal. they had me testing single sticks at a time. clearing CMOS and flashing Bios. I guess news slowly trickles. I was a hair away from buying new Ram to see if the board is bad. but now I know the board is not bad and the RAM isnt bad I can wait a little longer for good 3600 @ C16 or 15 to be in the QVL.  while I was looking I noticed that Corsair quitly was releaseing new Platinum and LPX(right now only in red) to higher speeds. though they are getting very loose timings to get there. G Skill F4-3600C16D-16GTZ looks to be as a very good sweet spot of content when we can sit well at 3600.
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« Reply #179 on: 31-August-17, 15:50:50 »

1.91 appears to be rather good.  Though the LED still fails to show the temp any more and, for me shows "24", The XMP profiles have changed as well as the increments for the OC tool.  XMP Profile 1 is for 3066 on my memory and worked out of the box.  That is the fastest that I've gotten it to work with any stability (I've run p95 for about an hour with it passing tests.  I'll run it overnight to verify stability, but this much further than I've gotten with anything over 2933 before).

The XMP Profile 2 which is set to 3200 didn't work for me, but Profile 1 is looking good.  Also, I set the bios OC tool to 6 which has a multiplier of 3.95 and that seems to be holding as well (the 1hour or p95 was with this OC.)

So far, this is the most I've gotten out of this rig and if the stability holds up, it will be a pretty nice up from the last few bioses.
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« Reply #180 on: 03-September-17, 03:12:20 »

I updated to 1.91 yesterday, and instantly had issues... windows became unstable (this is with the same ram settings I had working well on the previous official bios, not beta) also it's killed my wifi dongle it's just showing as disabled and wont let me enable it. nor am I able to uninstall the drivers for the hardware. this board was the biggest mistake I made with my Ryzen build, it's never really performed as a £300 board ought to.
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« Reply #181 on: 04-September-17, 15:58:28 »

I'm sorry you guys aren't having fun with the new bios.  I found having cool and quiet on when OCing the CPU resulted in a set clock speed of 2800.  Without it on, the OC was stable for a couple days but started showing instability after a few days.  Probably need to lower the OC or something. 

However, at stock CPU speeds, I've gotten the best results out of the memory thus far.  And THAT has been stable as can be.  And CPU OC is not my priority at this point.  If one could simply up the lower end of the turbo, I'd be very happy.  I've no real desire to keep all cores at 4.1GHZ all the time.  I'd like my CPU to last me a while.
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« Reply #182 on: 08-September-17, 00:47:46 »

Seems to me a simple  If-Then command would be easy enough to implement.  If Ryzen 1*00x, Then (Temp)-20c for the debug LED.  I mean, an electrical/software engineer I am not, but...

Apparently that is too hard for the MSI BIOS devs to work that out, so they are just displaying RAM clock instead (i think).
if (CPU.name.match(/X$/) {
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« Reply #183 on: 08-September-17, 08:18:38 »

I think it is not RAM frequency or sth else.
Start up from turn off status it will shows 24
Sleep and wake up it, we can see 30
Do it one more time, we get 33
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« Reply #184 on: 12-September-17, 23:42:53 »

BIOS BETA1.93
CPU Core voltage can rush to 1.432V with 1700X (All auto and only OC memory).
It looks too high.
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« Reply #185 on: 13-September-17, 10:58:17 »

BIOS BETA1.93
CPU Core voltage can rush to 1.432V with 1700X (All auto and only OC memory).
It looks too high.

Yeah, 1.93 I lost all gains from 1.91.  Wouldn't even post with 3066 where 1.91 was stable.  I didn't test other features as the memory speed is what is important to me at the moment.

I rolled back to 1.91
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« Reply #186 on: 13-September-17, 15:22:04 »

Yeah, 1.93 I lost all gains from 1.91.  Wouldn't even post with 3066 where 1.91 was stable.  I didn't test other features as the memory speed is what is important to me at the moment.

I rolled back to 1.91
Well.. I upgrade from 1.83.1.93 can pass AIDA64 stress test on memory with XFR turned off. So It looks better for me.
When I use 1.83, stress test (on memory only) will shut up in 3 min because "hardware failure" if I turn off XFR to have lower voltage (up to 1.2V on core) and I have 1.416V max voltage with XFR on. So 1.93 gives me an option at least.
For memory frequency, I should say gskill 3200C14 is the only option for 1st gen ryzen... It is AMD's fault.
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« Reply #187 on: 25-September-17, 18:50:56 »

Dear,

My memory in the current configuration (1 kit 2x8GB F4-3200C14D-16GFX) works perfectly. I got another kit from the same memory. I tried to put in 3200MHz with the XMP profiles, but the system rebooted, it indicates the code F9 and it returns to restart in an endless cycle. Restore, disable XMP and configure manually. The same thing. I go back in the BIOS and set to 2933Mhz. It works, it boots, but it gets unstable by locking the system. And code F9 is indicated again. I need 32GB to work. I have already posted some posts and even contacted MSI support that is taking a long time to respond. I was forced to remove the other kit and only stay in the 16GB.

And I still have another problem. The boost is not working. The 2.2GHz clock range for my CPU's maximum does not work with the Ryzen Balanced power profile, but it works with Windows's own Balanced. As??? I see that whoever has the B350 this feature is working properly. Here it is constantly at 3.7GHz.

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« Reply #188 on: 26-September-17, 23:47:02 »

Dear,

My memory in the current configuration (1 kit 2x8GB F4-3200C14D-16GFX) works perfectly. I got another kit from the same memory. I tried to put in 3200MHz with the XMP profiles, but the system rebooted, it indicates the code F9 and it returns to restart in an endless cycle. Restore, disable XMP and configure manually. The same thing. I go back in the BIOS and set to 2933Mhz. It works, it boots, but it gets unstable by locking the system. And code F9 is indicated again. I need 32GB to work. I have already posted some posts and even contacted MSI support that is taking a long time to respond. I was forced to remove the other kit and only stay in the 16GB.

And I still have another problem. The boost is not working. The 2.2GHz clock range for my CPU's maximum does not work with the Ryzen Balanced power profile, but it works with Windows's own Balanced. As??? I see that whoever has the B350 this feature is working properly. Here it is constantly at 3.7GHz.


I discovered bitterly that the problem was a bug in the BIOS of my mayoboard. Even resetting the BIOS does not solve. I disabled the ERP and re-enabled it. Then everything started working normally. Something happened with this bios and this was stuck version 1.6 to 1.9, because this feature never worked and the settings of the plans and BIOS have always been the same.

So I consider the clock variation problem solved, although you should check what happened here, as it is quite strange that a configuration has been locked since version 1.6.

I did some more tests with the memories (4x8GB) at 2400MHz which is the SPD clock of these memories. In the middle of the Windows boot it restarted. So I did not test anymore and only returned 2x8GB at 3200MHz.

I'm following the G.Skill forum, but I have not had any answers to my problem yet.
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« Reply #189 on: 28-September-17, 17:18:00 »

Hi, a lot of people say, that they can run with 4 RAM moduls on 3200MHz and that new Ryzen, which were created after 25th week, are very good for overcloking.
Maybe a lot of our problems are with old Ryzen revision. You can try RMA process, because all old Ryzen have Linux bug and AMD does send new AMD CPU free.

Check forum https://community.amd.com/thread/215773?start=1680&tstart=0

And do RMA with your CPU

Article about AMD replacement: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/254750-amd-replaces-ryzen-cpus-users-affected-rare-linux-bug
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« Reply #190 on: 04-October-17, 16:18:44 »

Coincidentally, I've had to RMA my 4th week 2017 1700X.  It's on its way to AMD as we speak, so we'll see how the replacement does.

I've been having some terrible instability when resuming from sleep and other oddities (like requiring 1.25v SoC to use 3200MHz mem).  This is with 1.94 beta and any other BIOS version.  I keep getting a Windows green screen and DPC_Watchdog_Timer faults that result in a hard crash, mem dump, and reboot; happens nearly everytime I resume from deep sleep.  Other times, I've come back to my PC, still powered via long idle, but it's hard locked.

Also had a defective H100iv2 cold plate that wasn't sitting flush with my CPU, which was a huge reason for my higher than normal temps.  Interestingly, I had greater instability with cooler temps on replacement H100iv2.

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« Reply #191 on: 09-October-17, 13:46:10 »

How is it I have downloaded and installed official bios 1.90 last week yet it is not listed in the the beta and official bios thread here for the Titanium X370??????
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« Reply #192 on: 09-October-17, 14:34:17 »

How is it I have downloaded and installed official bios 1.90 last week yet it is not listed in the the beta and official bios thread here for the Titanium X370??????

Because it is a (non msi staff member) moderator trying to keep up with numerous products by himself.
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« Reply #193 on: 09-October-17, 15:09:45 »

How is it I have downloaded and installed official bios 1.90 last week yet it is not listed in the the beta and official bios thread here for the Titanium X370??????

Because all I care about is the BETA's for here on the forums. I really don't care much about the released versions, and it's mainly on the page only for reference and that's it.

If it worries you that much, then don't look at the BETA page.
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« Reply #194 on: 13-October-17, 22:38:17 »

Not at all. I was just wondering if there was problem with 1.90 since I am using it. All is cool.  I had rma'd my MSI X370 Titanium board in hope that my muliplier issue would resolve.. It did NOT. I had already  replaced my 1800X with AMD's approval and that did not help either. Memory has been replaced 3 times all were good and used air to blow out memory slots all to no avail. Removed all my sata ssd drives to no avail. The only item that has not been removed is my Samsung 960 EVO nvme drive. I am waiting for my Alphacool Eiswolf RX Vega full cover gpu cooler to arrive and I will have my install tech remove the 960 EVO and see if the issue is resolved then. I can't do it because the retaining screw for the m.2 drive slot is so tiny and non-metallic I would definitely lose it. I am a little more klutsy in my old age. If that does NOT locate the problem I am out of options. If the 960EVO nvme drive is causing the multiplier failure to boot issue I will be devastated. It has been so stable and super high performance in every other possible way. If you have any further ideas on this let me know. I have picked the minds of some very experienced  users on overclock.net and everybody is clueless after I did all the other steps.
  By the way the Vega 56 is dooing very well. I am undervolting it while ovrclocking it. Just ran the Ashes of the Singularity Escalation benchmark over the past 2 days and id some tweaking of the Vega card with AMD's wattman utility. My best result was an average of 69 FPS for 4k at high quality settings for a combo of normal, medium, and heavy loads. Puts me at number 32 out of over 300 bench results displayed. When the Alphacool AIO gpu block arrives I figure to improve the performance another 5 to 6 percent. Some guy actually had the highest score with 117 fps on a Vega 64, probably liquid cooled. He beat out several 1080 Ti results. I do not know how he did 117 fps average at 4k High quality either he knows some tricks no one else does or he hacked the results some how.
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« Reply #195 on: 16-October-17, 16:36:31 »

Hi, a lot of people say, that they can run with 4 RAM moduls on 3200MHz and that new Ryzen, which were created after 25th week, are very good for overcloking.
Maybe a lot of our problems are with old Ryzen revision. You can try RMA process, because all old Ryzen have Linux bug and AMD does send new AMD CPU free.

Check forum https://community.amd.com/thread/215773?start=1680&tstart=0

And do RMA with your CPU

Article about AMD replacement: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/254750-amd-replaces-ryzen-cpus-users-affected-rare-linux-bug
Ryzen killscript for test and log you can use like reason for RMA : https://github.com/suaefar/ryzen-test
RMA form for start for RMA process: http://support.amd.com/en-us/contact/email-form

Well it is NOT a lot of people. It is a few people. It is mostly silicon lottery with better IMC than most Ryzen chips have. Settings can have some influence on this but I guarantee most people with 4 dimms are not running at 3200mhz on Ryzen boards in spite of the talk.
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Im trying to get my GSkill TridentZ F4-3200C16D-16GTZKY to run post and it fails. I found this post searching google hope it helps. I have some of these settings plugged in when it fails. Ill try some more of them like 2T mines at 1T
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« Reply #197 on: 02-January-18, 19:53:46 »

Im trying to get my GSkill TridentZ F4-3200C16D-16GTZKY to run post and it fails. I found this post searching google hope it helps. I have some of these settings plugged in when it fails. Ill try some more of them like 2T mines at 1T


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« Reply #198 on: 03-January-18, 06:58:26 »

I went to a Gigabyte K7 that is very good. However I have to keep trying and hoping I can get the Titanium my wife games on up to speed. So far all its good at is reseting everthing to optimized settings.
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« Reply #199 on: 06-February-18, 21:32:55 »

I flashed that latest BIOS.
....I don't know what will happen with old BIOS because I cannot flash back.. but if I set frequency manually (such as 3700MHz) and CPU is not in idle, BCLK will lower to 95MHz. and it is even not stable as old BIOS (1.90 in idle will stable at 99.98 to 99.99) but 1.C0 will up and down between (99.97 to 100.02 frequently)
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