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Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« on: 16-September-18, 12:07:10 »

I can't tell what is going on with POST times on my new board, but every POST is excruciatingly slow, the BIOS screen is very laggy too. I'm running the latest BIOS on the MSI website.

I also found I can't run my G.Skill 3200@CL14 memory at it's full potential, I've had to pull the speed down to keep the timings which has wiped out the reason I bought this RAM in the first place, I could have saved hundreds by buying slower kits.

I also have zero control over RAM timings, voltages, etc, I'm stuck using the XMP profile do get the timings I have. Here's what the MSI control center shows:
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #1 on: 16-September-18, 13:21:54 »

Pyrii, I think first we need to understand your POST problem before going into OCing.  Please post your system specifications including OS and UEFI versions but also memory (include part number) CPU cooler, power supply and all other HW.  Either do a Clear CMOS or Load UEFI Defaults and see if anything changes.  Post screenshots for Ryzen Master (RM) and Thaiphoon.  Get the latest version of RM from AMD and the free (read only) Thaiphoon from here.  Is you copy of Windows a fresh install not an old drive or clone?   I will try to understand what msi Command Center is.Thanks and enjoy, John
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #2 on: 16-September-18, 14:36:18 »

X399 POST slow is very normal, since it is like almost SERVER platform.
This is easy to understand that more components means more time in POST
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #3 on: 16-September-18, 15:01:59 »

Hi

What's the full system spec? See >>Posting Guide<<

Generally POST is normal to be slow on such systems as those have much more to check than standard consumer systems.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #4 on: 16-September-18, 16:45:42 »

First get the 125 bios from here this thread -  https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=307570.0 as the official 11 bios is junk! Make sure you know how to flash the bios prior to preceding. 

Run your mem at 3066 or 2933 XMP for a start as it should be stable at those speed...you can test higher frequencies later once you know more about what to expect with the system.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #5 on: 16-September-18, 23:34:41 »

First get the 125 bios from here this thread -  https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=307570.0 as the official 11 bios is junk! Make sure you know how to flash the bios prior to preceding.

Run your mem at 3066 or 2933 XMP for a start as it should be stable at those speed...you can test higher frequencies later once you know more about what to expect with the system.
I've just updated to 125, had to redo my settings, I have the memory running at 3133 in Dual mode (Waiting on the second pair as I had to order them from elsewhere, every retailer in the UK seems to only stock one pack :rolleyes:, should arrive tomorrow).

I installed the first 2 modules according to the manual (B2 & D2), they're G.skill F4-3200C14-16GTZR

Sadly I don't have too much time to write out specs, but here's my part list (Sans the 2nd GTX 1080 Ti) https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Pyrii/saved/NVrV6h

Main Board: MSI MEG X399 CREATION
Bios Version: v1.10 & v1.25
Video Card: EVGA 1080Ti FTW3
PSU brand and model:  SeaSonic 1000W Platinum Prime
12v rail Rating of listed PSU: 100A
CPU: Ryzen Threadripper2 2950X
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 32Gb (2x16Gb sticks) Kit (2nd kit coming Monday)
SSD/ HDD: Samsung 970 Pro 512GB(NVMe), 970 EVO 1TB (NVMe), 840 Pro 512GB (SATA), Kingston 120GB (SATA), Toshiba HDWD130 (3TB)
CPU COOLER: Noctua U14S TR4-SP3
Raid Card: N/A
Sound Card: Nvidia HDMI Audio (Onboard disabled)
Keyboard: CoolerMaster Masterkeys MK750
Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus
Any Additional hardware plugged into your system: Pioneer BDR-209EBK drive, Elgato Streamdeck, Avermedia U3 capture box, Blue Yeti Mic, Xbox One Controller, USB2 Hub, Sennehiser PC350SE Headset, Pioneer VSX-924 HDMI Switcher/Amp (Via HDMI)
OC: (No)
Operating System: Windows 10 Pro


Windows 10 is a fresh install on the 970 Pro, the Evo is for games. Seems the BIOS clears/defaults on flashing, I'm not sure clearing it again will help much but I'll give it another try. I am still noticing the machine completely powering off (I hear the tick of the PSU) and on again on cold boot or restart still while at 3133 or above, though the memory still runs at that speed.

Here's Ryzen Master:


Lastly, when I talk about slow POST times, I'm talking in terms of minutes. Seems to take over a minute to POST at least.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #6 on: 17-September-18, 10:34:18 »

Thanks much, Pyrii!  Lots of really good information here!  I have an X399 with a 1950X and my POST is reasonable fast.  I do suspect there is something going on.  Since I do not have your board I do not know how to tell when yours is running POST but on mine, fairly soon after power up I get a menu in the LR corner with boot options (Boot menu, enter UEFI, etc) and when it goes away, I think POST is over.  Looking at the Dr.Debug should also tell.  All the extra stuff you have connected concern me.  I hope you will run an experiment, disconnecting all HW that is not needed to boot W10.  The other item to consider is the Memory Training that occurs during POST.  Making sure your memory is running with SPD defaults and not adding the additional two sticks is the first place to start.  Memory Training can also be Disabled in my UEFI and I assume yours.  I disagree with your assumption that a UEFI update will clear CMOS - just do not know.  I usually advise people to first open UEFI - Load UEFI Defaults - Update UEFI - Load UEFI Defaults - insert your UEFI setting then boot in W10.  Of course, there are Reboots inserted where needed.  I do think you should do a Load UEFI Defaults or Clear CMOS now, then input your UEFI settings and see how your system boots into W10.  Thanks again for the screenshots.  Enjoy, John.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #7 on: 17-September-18, 11:15:52 »

This review for the Creation motherboard also appeared to have very long POST times (in comparison to other X399 motherboards), so this might not be a unique issue.

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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #8 on: 17-September-18, 13:04:41 »

Nice post, Jareth.  I will read the article.  These POST times are still fairly low, in the 20-30 seconds.  As near as I can tell the Creation is the only new TR II MB in the list.  All of the processors are TR I - makes me wonder how they are handled in a true TR II MB.   Since I cannot edit my last reply, I will mention this thought here:  does any of the HW I do not recognize load an Option ROM?  If so, this is a good candidate for slow boot and poses the question as to how the Compatibility options are set in UEFI.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #9 on: 26-September-18, 01:53:05 »

My motherboard BIOS is extremely slow as well. I noticed that when I enabled RAID, the BIOS got SIGNIFICANTLY slower than before. Takes about 30 seconds to just post to BIOS.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #10 on: 08-January-19, 22:37:26 »

I can't tell what is going on with POST times on my new board, but every POST is excruciatingly slow, the BIOS screen is very laggy too. I'm running the latest BIOS on the MSI website.

I also found I can't run my G.Skill 3200@CL14 memory at it's full potential, I've had to pull the speed down to keep the timings which has wiped out the reason I bought this RAM in the first place, I could have saved hundreds by buying slower kits.

I also have zero control over RAM timings, voltages, etc, I'm stuck using the XMP profile do get the timings I have. Here's what the MSI control center shows:

Hey I have the exact same  CPU, motherboard, memory and storage as yours. My post times are ridiculously slow. Close to 4-6 minutes on cold boots. Did you end up finding a solution? I have been looking for a solution for over a month now. :(
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #11 on: 09-January-19, 09:50:14 »

indu111 and Pyrii, questions and suggestions.  Is your memory Samsung B-Die chips?  Thaiphoon Burner, will tell you all you need to know about your memory.  Have you tried turning off memory training in the UEFI?  One or both should consider RMAing you MB.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
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Re: Extremely slow POST on MSI MEG CREATION with 2950X
« Reply #12 on: 10-January-19, 11:06:26 »

Quote from: jhchris2 on Wed Jan 09 2019 10:50:14 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time)Quote from: jhchris2
indu111 and Pyrii, questions and suggestions.  Is your memory Samsung B-Die chips?  Thaiphoon Burner, will tell you all you need to know about your memory.  Have you tried turning off memory training in the UEFI?  One or both should consider RMAing you MB.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Pretty sure its a samsung b die. I remember checking that out before buying the kit. My model number is GSkill F4 3200C14Q-32GTZRX if that helps. I will check out Thaipoon when I get home.
I don't seem to remember the Memory Training option in Bios, where exactly can I find that? I did however try with XMP on and off on the rated 3200mhz speed and it still took over 3 minutes to boot.
I will RMA once my 2080ti shows up as I want to make sure the gpu is not the cause of this because the VGA EZ Debug led on the mobo lights up when it boots and stays lit the whole time until after POST when the display catches a signal after which it turns off.
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