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Hi, 

Cant figure out what is wrong with this system. With every boot it takes about ~2 minutes to get to the bios screen. From there, everything works as normal. Anyone got any suggestions for what could be wrong?

This is what I have tried:
- Update bios to newest version
- Cleared CMOS
- Tested RAM in another computer
- Tested GPU in another computer
- Booted with another PSU

Board: MSI A68HM Grenade
CPU:   AMD Athlon X4 840
MEM: 2x4GB, DDR3 1866MHz, (HX318C10FBK2/8)
BIOS: E7891AMS.140
GPU:  MSI GTX 1050TI 4GB
PSU:  Corsair VS550 PSU (Model: 75-001836)
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« Reply #1 on: 07-November-18, 10:52:11 »

Hello,
Unplug all disks (SATA, M.2 and USB). Do again a clear CMOS and load defaults values when asked at next restart. shutdown. Start. Result?
Hoping it shall help,
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« Reply #2 on: 07-November-18, 11:24:37 »

Thanks for your reply. I have already tried that, but just to be sure, i did it again. Cleared the CMOS, unplugged all unneeded stuff. Booted up with only the following connected to the board; CPU, RAM, GPU, PSU. 

Still got the same conistent 2 minutes of black screen, before the bios tells me to "load default" values. I then attached the keyboard, to click F2 (continue). System restarts (i unplug the keyboard again, just to be sure). Another 2 minutes delay yet again before the bios returns..
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« Reply #3 on: 07-November-18, 12:10:49 »

Hello,
Keep mouse and keyboard plugged.
1/ So you are now with all the default bios values?
2/ You say system takes 2mn to restarts. If you do a shutdown then power on, how long is time?
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« Reply #4 on: 07-November-18, 12:23:52 »

BIOS has default values. Every single time I boot the computer (restart/cold boot/anything..), it takes about ~2 minutes before the display turns on, and the bios shows splash screen. If I disable the splash screen, it takes the same amount of time, with a completly black screen, until bios "kicks in". I really wonder what makes it wait for 2 minutes before doing the pre-boot sequence..
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« Reply #5 on: 07-November-18, 13:07:50 »

:think:
1/ Retry with only 1 RAM stick. 1 try with it in DIMM1 slot (nearest from CPU) and another in DIMM2. Do the try with each of the 2 sticks. Do you see the same boot time in the 4 cases?
2/ How have you updated bios to V1.40? Did you see same delay before the bios update?
Have a good day,
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« Reply #6 on: 07-November-18, 13:23:29 »

1. Its the exact same result with all the different RAM variations. As I said in the first post, I have also tried the putting the RAM in a different maching (works!), and I have tried a different set of RAM in the problem computer, and I still get the same delay.
2. I flashed the bios from inside the bios via usb memory stick. Updated from v1.31 to v1.40 in a attempt to solve the "2 minute startup delay". I had the same issue before updating.
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« Reply #7 on: 08-November-18, 09:13:06 »

Hello,
:think: 
1/ Please, confirm that you have none drive, including CD/DVD reader, and USB hub connected. Right?
2/ Unplug JUSB1, 2 and 3:

Verify also that other connectors marked on the picture are not used. Result?
3/ Do you connect keyboard and mouse to the USB2.0 ports on the back panel (those near PS/2 ports)? Have you a PS/2 keyboard to try?
4/ How is your monitor connected to the system?
5/ "Booted with another PSU", what model? Using cables furnished with this PSU for JPWR1-2 and 1050 power input?
6/ "Black screen before bios splash appear", but do you see codes during this long post time?  If yes, list those who display a long time?
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Have a good day,
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« Reply #8 on: 08-November-18, 11:21:02 »

thanks for your help. 

1/ Please, confirm that you have none drive, including CD/DVD reader, and USB hub connected. Right?
- Nothing is connected. 
2/ Unplug JUSB1, 2 and 3: Verify also that other connectors marked on the picture are not used. Result?
- All that was left was the POWER_SW to turn the computer on.
3/ Do you connect keyboard and mouse to the USB2.0 ports on the back panel (those near PS/2 ports)? Have you a PS/2 keyboard to try?
- I dont have anything connected at all, power cable and HDMI out from the GPU.
4/ How is your monitor connected to the system?
- Monitor is connected via HDMI out from the GPU. I wanted to try without the GPU aswell, but the CPU doesnt support internal graphics.
5/ "Booted with another PSU", what model? Using cables furnished with this PSU for JPWR1-2 and 1050 power input?
- Its a Corsair 650w I had from another computer. Connected to the JPWR1-2. The 1050 has no power input (its the MSI Aero version). Still no luck.
6/ "Black screen before bios splash appear", but do you see codes during this long post time?  If yes, list those who display a long time?
- This is the most annoying part. Its just a completely black screen. Its like that for a little less than 2 minutes, then the normal boot process begins, and I can see the codes in the lower left corner when it is doing POST. 

But what in the world happens before the boot process begins I wonder..
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« Reply #9 on: 08-November-18, 13:40:09 »

Hello,
1/ Enter in bios setup and goto "SETTINGS \ Boot". Set "Boot Mode Select" = "UEFI Mode" and exclude all entrie except HDD in "FIXED BOOT ORDER Priorities". Result?
2/ "PSU is Corsair VS550 and tried also with Corsair 650w": have you a possibility to try with a more performante PSU?
3/ Please, enter in bios setup and goto "SETTINGS \ System Information" to do a screenshot (press <F12> and store on a FAT/FAT32 USB pen when asked).
Good luck,
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« Reply #10 on: 08-November-18, 14:13:35 »

1/ I changed it to "UEFI Mode" and excluded all entries except HDD. I even tried to disable all boot options, but still 2 minutes black screen.
2/ No, that is the only other PSU I got. 
3/ Here is the screenshot
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« Reply #11 on: 09-November-18, 00:13:00 »

Hello,
Date is really strange...
Please, change the battery cell with a new one.
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« Reply #12 on: 09-November-18, 00:17:44 »

Yes, the date resets when clearing CMOS. I have tried changing the CR2032 battery to a new one aswell
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« Reply #13 on: 09-November-18, 09:07:48 »

Hello,
My last suggest: (follow exactly all steps)
1/ Download >>Bios V1.20<<, >>Bios V1.30<< and >>Bios V1.40<<.
2/ Keep only CPU + thermal past + CPU-Cooler + 1 RAM stick in DIMM1 (slot nearest from CPU), GPU in PCI_E1 (monitor connected to it), PSU connected to JPWR1-2 and GPU (using only cables furnished with it) and Keyboard+Mouse plugged on USB2.0 or PS/2 ports on the back panel, nothing else.
3/ Do a clear CMOS:
- Power off PSU, unplug the power cord and wait that all mobo's leds light off.
- Either
    . short JBAT1 during at least 20s
      (if you have not a jumper cap, use something like a screwdriver but be cautious to touch only the 2 pins of JBAT1) or
   . remove the battery cell during 30mn.

- Plug the power cord then power on.
- You would see a question asking to enter in bios setup or load bios default values,
   . if you have, load bios default values (for the moment).
   . if not, retry one time from the beginning waiting longer.
4/ Downgrade bios to a previous version compatible with your CPU:
- Apply V1.30. Power off PSU and wait at least 5s after all mobo's leds light off. Boot and enter in bios setup, press <F6>, confirm, pres <F10>, confirm.
- If long delay before post remains, redo but this time with V1.20.
5/ To finish, upgrade to the last bios version:
Apply V1.40. Power off PSU and wait at least 5s after all mobo's leds light off. Boot and enter in bios setup, press <F6>, confirm, pres <F10>, confirm.
Result?
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« Reply #14 on: 10-November-18, 01:43:10 »

I've carefully followed all you suggested steps.. I still still get the annoying ~2 minute warm up before POST. Is the motherboard going bad? defect?

The weirdest thing, is that the time,during the black screen, is very consistent. I've timed it. Its almost like the board has some kind of check that times out after x number of seconds..
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« Reply #15 on: 10-November-18, 02:11:16 »

Hello,
Unfortunately, after all of that, I see only PSU, CPU or mobo as culprit.
1/ Ability to borrow a more performante PSU should permit to conclude for PSU.
2/ For CPU test, unplug it, verify there is none bent pin on it (use a magnifying glass because bending should be tiny), change thermal paste and plug back. If problem remains, try with another CPU should permit to conclude for CPU.
3/ For mobo test, I see only RMA to conclude.
Have a good day,
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