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zippy77777

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My new system and games problem
« on: 13-March-05, 05:40:19 »

I was hoping someone might be able to shed some light on this. I have recenlty in the last week built myelf a new system and I am skint now. My system is:

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD 64 3000+ (Winchester)
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
MSI 6600GT PCI express 16x
1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR Ram 400MHZ 3200PC
120GB IDE and 160GB SATA

I am please with this system but when I load one of the games that came with the graphics card (URU) it plays well for a few minutes and then just completely hangs on me. And i cant do anything not even a soft boot, I have to completely restart the machine. Any ideas? Sometimes it even switches itself off!!! Very odd. I might try some of the other games later and see if I have the same problem with them. I have just bought FarCry so I will give that a go.

Any ideas people????? Your help would be appreciated.  :wall:
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Re: My new system and games problem
« Reply #1 on: 13-March-05, 06:28:08 »
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  • Might be iinsufficent power.  What are the specs for your PSU?
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    Jadcawin

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #2 on: 13-March-05, 06:28:38 »

    First guess: Powersupply is not up to the job....
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    maximusEvC

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #3 on: 13-March-05, 08:36:28 »

    i bet u didnt pluge in the power on the card :lol_anim:
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    skippy9146

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #4 on: 13-March-05, 09:09:56 »

    i bet u didnt pluge in the power on the card :lol_anim:

    Hey, it happens! - but you'll get a prompt on your desktop saying that the connector isn't plugged in, if that's the case.
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    zippy77777

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #5 on: 13-March-05, 09:15:50 »

    I dont think that my graphics card has a different power supply
    I will check the psu unit for the info that you require
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    zippy77777

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #6 on: 13-March-05, 09:20:26 »

    Take a look at my card here

    http://msicomputer.co.uk/products.aspx?product_id=703544&cat_id=78

    it does have a power connector at the top right hand side. Do i need to plug in the other 3.5 power connector from my psu to this socket on the card, just like I do on the 3.5 inch floppy drive? Oops if this is correct, then I am a real plonker!!!  :rolleyes:
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #7 on: 13-March-05, 09:29:45 »

    I have never powered a card like this before, but maybe this one is different, please tell me if this is something i need to do? I dont want to make a mistake and plug it in and something happens that I am going to regret.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #8 on: 13-March-05, 09:29:56 »

    Take a look at my card here

    http://msicomputer.co.uk/products.aspx?product_id=703544&cat_id=78

    it does have a power connector at the top right hand side. Do i need to plug in the other 3.5 power connector from my psu to this socket on the card, just like I do on the 3.5 inch floppy drive? Oops if this is correct, then I am a real plonker!!!  :rolleyes:

    Hmmm... that's odd. 1st time I've seen a connector like that on a VidCard. But I've never had a PCI-e card either. What does the instructions say about it?

    It's obviously there for a purpose....
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #9 on: 13-March-05, 09:36:04 »

    Weird... I just D/L'ed the instructions for it to have a look & it's not even listed. :think:
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    zippy77777

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #10 on: 13-March-05, 09:39:53 »

    It doesnt say anything about it in installation but on the very next page it does say about connecting it to the psu for added power. Must be a new thing on pci-e cards. Maybe this is what is causing my problem, it might need the added power.

    Lets go give it a try  :shocking:
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #11 on: 13-March-05, 09:55:25 »

    That's pretty strange... all the power plugs that I've come across for Vid Cards were the 4 pins.

    But if it says that you need to plug it in & that's the only "plug in town" - go for it. Hopefully that'll do the trick.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #12 on: 13-March-05, 09:58:10 »
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  • I believe all the 6xxx geforce cards require the power connector directly to the card.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #13 on: 13-March-05, 12:07:09 »

    I have had a good look and the power connector on my card is missing, so I obviosuly dont have to connect it on my card. So where do I go from here, could it possibly be the psu?
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #14 on: 13-March-05, 12:16:29 »

    my psu is an eagle specs below
    230v at 6amps 50-60Hz

    I have taken a picture of the label on the psu but i dont know how to post it
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #15 on: 13-March-05, 12:51:23 »

    my psu is an eagle specs below
    230v at 6amps 50-60Hz

    I have taken a picture of the label on the psu but i dont know how to post it

    Can't post pics on these forums - your pic has to be hosted elsewhere....

    I hope that the 6 amps isn't the rating on your "12v" - that's not nearly enough, 20A is widely considered the minimum for proper operation. And I think that Nvidia recomends at least a 350W PSU.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #16 on: 13-March-05, 13:10:07 »

    well my psu is 400w. Can i have you email and i can send you the label on the psu. if thats ok with you?
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #17 on: 13-March-05, 14:06:00 »

    well my psu is 400w. Can i have you email and i can send you the label on the psu. if thats ok with you?

    Actually there IS an "insert image" button in the "reply" screen toolbar - 2nd from the left on 2nd row above the "smilies"... not sure how it works though.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #18 on: 13-March-05, 15:01:40 »

    I dont understand what everyone means by the 12v rail? Where does it say it on the psu?
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #19 on: 13-March-05, 15:08:58 »
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  • Hello,

    just type the details here, eg

    400w
    +12v = 13a
    +5v = 40a
    +3.3v = 28a
    -12v = 1a
    -5v = 0.5a
    +5vsb = 2a

    The details should be arranged in some kind of grid on the sticker, you need to translate it so that it looks like my above example.

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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #20 on: 13-March-05, 15:45:14 »

    Thank you I have sussed it out, thank you, maybe we can get somewhere now.

    400w
    +3.3v - 28A
    +5v    - 40A
    +12v  - 17A
    -5v     - 0.3A
    -12v   - 0.8A
    +5VSB - 2A
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    « Reply #21 on: 13-March-05, 15:57:29 »
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  •  :-))

    17a is on the low side but test the memory first with this program.

    http://www.memtest.org/download/1.51/memtest86+-1.51.floppy.zip
    extract it to a folder then run the install.bat

    it will create a memtest bootdisk.

    Boot from this disk and run the program for a long time, 1 hour minimum.
    If you get any errors instantly then you can stop. (error means there is a problem with the memory)

    Did you also plug in the small 4 pin ATX connector into the motherboard.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #22 on: 13-March-05, 17:41:00 »

    My memory is fine and yes i did connect the small pin to the motherboard.
    I think my problem must be the psu power
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #23 on: 13-March-05, 17:50:50 »

    Yeah, 17A is pretty marginal to begin with... the added strain of a good vid card & gaming will cause a crap-out in short order.

    Remember... a 400W rating on a "generic" PSU, means that's it's PEAK output in a "best case" senario. A good "name brand" like Enermax, Antec & etc, is well worth it.
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    « Reply #24 on: 13-March-05, 17:52:43 »
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  • If you want a recommendation for a new PSU, I strongly recommend an Enermax - any model with a number of 465 or higher.  Good luck.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #25 on: 13-March-05, 17:59:43 »

    If you want a recommendation for a new PSU, I strongly recommend an Enermax - any model with a number of 465 or higher.  Good luck.

    My Enermax 465W has survived over a year in 2 different boxes while doing intense (and sometimes stupid) OC's & lots of gaming without a hiccup - Can't ask for much more than that! :biggthumbsup:
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #26 on: 13-March-05, 18:21:34 »

    They are so expensive in the UK though, Is there anything a little cheaper without losing the build quality, or am I asking too much here?
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #27 on: 13-March-05, 18:33:59 »

    Most of the PSU's in that class are expensive. Enermax also has the 365 which offers 26a on the 12v rail and is less costly. Bas used one to run his dual Opterons so it is a pretty stout unit.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #28 on: 13-March-05, 18:40:01 »

    thank you, what wattage im confused by this?
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #29 on: 13-March-05, 18:49:40 »

    365

    I don't have a link for your region but here is one listing for it that I came acrossed...

    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-455&depa=0
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #30 on: 13-March-05, 19:02:50 »

    A good quality PSU should be thought of as an investment in "piece of computing mind".... Because if it's no good, it doesn't matter what else that you have stuffed in your box - all of it will be pretty much useless.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #31 on: 13-March-05, 19:14:07 »

    No doubt Skippy.

    One thing you should note is that if you plan on future upgrades you would still be better off with the Enermax 465 or higher. I know it is a chunk of change and that could cause you a pocketbook woe now but in the end it can also save you big if you can use it with the newer parts.
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    « Reply #32 on: 13-March-05, 19:27:25 »

    No doubt Skippy.

    One thing you should note is that if you plan on future upgrades you would still be better off with the Enermax 465 or higher. I know it is a chunk of change and that could cause you a pocketbook woe now but in the end it can also save you big if you can use it with the newer parts.

    True... been there, done that and got the T-shirt!

    After my first build, I always "bit the bullet" & bought quality parts that could "migrate" to the next system... I'll prob move to a PCI-e board  eventually - THAT will cost a bit, even with the "keeper's"! :shocked:

    That's what Credit Cards are for! ;-))

    Defecit Spending - It's a b@*#h!
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #33 on: 13-March-05, 19:33:15 »

    Tell me about it lad. My poor system has a better resale value than my car ATM.

    And my car is an Antique Porsche... :wall:
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    « Reply #34 on: 13-March-05, 19:49:02 »

    Tell me about it lad. My poor system has a better resale value than my car ATM.

    And my car is an Antique Porsche... :wall:

    Really? - I had a 914 2.0 liter (not quite a real Porsche) for years... until I got tired of plugging up all the ever multiplying rust holes & being annoyed at it's appetite for valvetrain components - hate it when I miss a shift during an autocross! :shocking: Had a LOT of fun with it though.

    Looking for a decent early 90's 911 now... prob yet another money pit!
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    « Reply #35 on: 13-March-05, 20:28:26 »

    LOL I have an early and I do mean early 924. Talk about a money pitt. I want to get rid of it and go back to racing Nissan's Z cars.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #36 on: 13-March-05, 20:52:57 »

    My PNY Verto 6600 GT PCI-E doesn't have an extra power connecter
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    « Reply #37 on: 13-March-05, 22:41:42 »

    PNY Verto 6600 GT PCI-E - I can find a ton of prices for it but not even one pic of the card. They do however just love to show off the box. Sorry but after 20 minutes of searching I even threw my hands up and walked away.
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #39 on: 14-March-05, 07:58:39 »

    LOL I have an early and I do mean early 924. Talk about a money pitt. I want to get rid of it and go back to racing Nissan's Z cars.

    Oooooh! I hope it's not a 70's "vintage", Audi - engined 924... That's not a pit, that's a black hole! ;-))  Z's not a bad idea, parts are very plentiful for whatever you care to attempt - even a V-8 conversion!

    Back to the Vid Card - In MSI's "manual" the power plug isn't even labled on their card "schematic" yet a "mini" 4 pin (not reg molex) plug is present & it's mentioned that plugging in is required in the text.

    Very Odd. :think:
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    Re: My new system and games problem
    « Reply #40 on: 14-March-05, 13:03:22 »

    The connector on the vid card must have been on previous models as it is shown in the picture on the website but my card doesnt have it. So they must have done away with it.

    Thx for those links sharp, which one do you reckon is the best buy?

    Take a look at this, this has 32A on the 12V rail

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6750829893&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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    « Reply #41 on: 14-March-05, 13:08:01 »

    Hmmm. It appears to be pratically the same one that I have. If so, that'll have plenty of juice! :biggthumbsup:
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    « Reply #42 on: 14-March-05, 13:19:26 »

    Thank you for that reply. Do SATA drives require more power than normal IDE drives?

    Its just that I am running my games from my new 160GB SATA drive and I see that new power supplies are coming SATA ready. Is this the problem?
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    « Reply #43 on: 14-March-05, 13:41:06 »
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    No they use the same amount of power.

    I would never buy a PSU from ebay and it has been used.

    Wouldnt you prefer a new one with a warranty?
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    « Reply #44 on: 14-March-05, 13:48:56 »

    Hello,

    No they use the same amount of power.

    I would never buy a PSU from ebay and it has been used.

    Wouldnt you prefer a new one with a warranty?

    I know that I would.... But that's the kind of specs that you should look for though.
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    « Reply #45 on: 14-March-05, 14:06:52 »

    ok I am willing to spend the money. Can you guys have a look at this site for me and make some decisions for me plz

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=33&Category=Power+Supply&Thumbnails=yes
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    « Reply #46 on: 14-March-05, 14:50:47 »
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  • As far as I am concerned you can't beat an  Enermax.
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  • The Hiper power PSU's are very good.

    The type R series.

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    « Reply #48 on: 14-March-05, 15:39:02 »

    I have had my Enermax for about a year or better and not a single glitch. Success stories are abundant on any of them other than QTec though. LOL
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