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« on: 20-July-06, 05:31:57 »

Ive had a few problems with pc rebooting think it might be a power issue see post https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=98647.0 (Network reboot problems? ) its been happening sence my router broke and i got new one.

i have at minute a chieftec 420w psu

(+5 40A, +3.3 30A 220w) (+12v1 15A +12v2 18A 216w) (-5v 0.3A 1.5w) (-12v 0.8A 9.6w) (+5vsb 2a 10w)

with the spec ive left below can you tell me what kind of ampage do i need on the 12v rails and should i go for the standard 2 set rails or should i get the new 4 set rails tell me what i need on all rails please and recommend a psu. Im trying to keep costs low so i can get the mushkin ram  :-P).

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Re: HOW MUCH POWER DO I REALLY NEED???
« Reply #1 on: 20-July-06, 05:35:20 »
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    You could give a single RAIL PSU a shot. If you have at least 24A on the 12V RAIL it would eliminte the PSU as your problem.

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    « Reply #2 on: 20-July-06, 05:38:38 »

    I could do but arnt they a little hard to get a hold of those ones now and i dont really have one i could try plus the problem doesnt happen everytime one day pc is fine nxt it will crash.  I think it happens most often on sof2.
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    « Reply #3 on: 20-July-06, 05:44:12 »
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  • Which country are you from? Where do you buy online?
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    « Reply #4 on: 20-July-06, 05:45:44 »

    im from northern ireland and i buy from www.overclockers.co.uk mainly also www.overclock.co.uk if you know cheaper place tell me post pls
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    « Reply #5 on: 20-July-06, 05:49:57 »
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  • Buy the Enermax EG465AX-VE(G)(FMA) 460W ATX1.3 Power Supply from http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Enermax_Power_Supplies.html

    I bought for my other PC and it has 33A on the +12V rail. At £35.19 it's good value.
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    « Reply #6 on: 20-July-06, 05:56:35 »

    That sounds good to me is 33 amps enough on a single rail then my chieftec has 33A across its to rails but i know that thers a prob with two rails.
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    « Reply #7 on: 20-July-06, 06:02:32 »
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  • A single rail PSU is better than dual rail IMHO, as I think dual rail PSUs don't work as they should. Some reviews have shown them to be a bad choice.

    33A on the one +12V is plenty though; more than your graphics card needs in fact. I suggested the Enermax, as it's down in price. It's up to you really. Bear in mind it doesn't have a PCI-E power connector for the graphics card, so you would have to use the connector you should have received with your card.
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    « Reply #8 on: 20-July-06, 06:09:45 »

    I want the psu to be kinda future proof to so if i decided to get new system in a yr or so i would be able to use it
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    « Reply #9 on: 20-July-06, 06:25:28 »
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  • It will work with future PCs; you will just have to use a connector to power the graphics card.

    Take a look at some of the various PSUs on the OCUK web site and see which meet your needs - then check it has a single +12V rail on their web site.

    Not sure what to suggest otherwise. :undecided:

    EDIT: You could try the Tagan TG580-U22 580W ATX2.01 2Force SLi Compliant Silent PSU. See: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Tagan_Power_Supplies.html
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    « Reply #10 on: 20-July-06, 09:26:52 »
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  • Also you could tried on OCZ powerstream 520W it also has 33A although it has dual rails but it can be changed to single rails. Gd luck.
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    « Reply #11 on: 20-July-06, 10:39:49 »
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  • Also you could tried on OCZ powerstream 520W it also has 33A although it has dual rails but it can be changed to single rails. Gd luck.

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  • Opps sorry gives wrong info. It's Modstream actually.520W. thanks
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  • That sounds good to me is 33 amps enough on a single rail then my chieftec has 33A across its to rails but i know that thers a prob with two rails.

    the chieftec actually only has 18A total on the 12V rails. there is a very easy way to calculate this:
    12V1 - 15A (12x15=180W)
    12V2 - 18A (12x18=216W)
    if you would be able to add them, you should have 180+216=396W on the 12V line.
    but you only have a total of 216W for the 12V, which coresponds to 18A total.
    i hope you got the point.
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  • Buy the mentioned Enermax. It's a very good and quiet power supply. Enermax even revised it: there is now a 8-pin CPU connector coming with it and there's also 24/20 pin ATX connector on it. (Before, there was only 4 pin CPU connector and 20 pin ATX connector). This PSU will give you no trouble at all. There's a 3 years waranty on it, so you'll be just fine!
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    I just wanted you to try one out for testing purposes. I did not expect you to buy on. Only if it solved the problem.

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    « Reply #16 on: 21-July-06, 00:16:59 »

    can u suggest one i should buy please richard i was thinking myself of this one Enermax Liberty 500W ELT500AWT ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU it has 22A on rail one and two but its £70 tho but if its wat i need ill get it
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  • ramborobert,

    I do not want to recommend a PSU until we know that your PSU is your problem. Once we have that info then we could look at replacement PSUs.

    I wanted a single RAIL 12V PSU to see if extra juice on that RAIL solved the problem.

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    « Reply #18 on: 22-July-06, 00:25:07 »

    I turned off the automatic reboot option and it seems just to be blue screening at minute and not freezing the error is Machine_Check_Exception and it says sumthin bout memory dump complete

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    « Reply #19 on: 22-July-06, 05:26:23 »
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  • Been looking at this Enermax EG465AX-VE(G)(FMA) 460W psu for some time now,can anyone confirm that a 24pin ATX
    & A 4/8 pin cpu connectors are now fitted.
    Buy the mentioned Enermax. It's a very good and quiet power supply. Enermax even revised it: there is now a 8-pin CPU connector coming with it and there's also 24/20 pin ATX connector on it. (Before, there was only 4 pin CPU connector and 20 pin ATX connector). This PSU will give you no trouble at all. There's a 3 years waranty on it, so you'll be just fine!
    I have checked the Enermax site but cant find any confirmation of this.
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  • Been looking at this Enermax EG465AX-VE(G)(FMA) 460W psu for some time now,can anyone confirm that a 24pin ATX
    & A 4/8 pin cpu connectors are now fitted.I have checked the Enermax site but cant find any confirmation of this.

    yes PSU have 4 pin for CPU and comes also with 8pin convertor cable(from 4pin to 8pin for CPU)
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    « Reply #21 on: 22-July-06, 05:40:51 »
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  • I bought that PSU for my other system, as stated earlier, but mine didn't have a 20 - 24 pin connector in the box. I told OCUK I didn't receive one so they sent an Akasa converter quickly after.
    « Last Edit: 22-July-06, 05:43:17 by blazing storm »
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  • I bought that PSU for my other system, as stated earlier, but mine didn't have a 20 - 24 pin connector in the box. I told OCUK I didn't receive one so they sent an Akasa converter quickly after.
    " but mine didn't have a 20 - 24 pin connector in the box"
    well that is intergated to the PSU 20pin and 4pin(extra) but 4pin can be added to 20pin and will make it 24pin connector. its not external connector or convertor.
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    « Reply #23 on: 22-July-06, 05:51:28 »
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  • If you mean:




    I didn't get that; it's just 20 pin.

    EDIT: Didn't get 4 - 8 pin CPU power connector either.

    Not even like this:

    « Last Edit: 22-July-06, 05:53:50 by blazing storm »
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  • yep i mean the same. my PSU have it. and strange how you dont have it? and also strange how(or what maybe more correct)  do they will send you?
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  • Using 20 -> 24 adapters isn't always a good idea if you run a heavily loaded system.
    You may end up with burned pins and system failure.




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  • It has the mentioned new copper shielding and SATA power features. It doesn't say it comes with a 4 - 8 pin converter, but did mention the 20 - 24 pin converter on the website, so I chased just the one.

    In the manual that came with the PSU it doesn't list a power converter though.
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  • Using 20 -> 24 adapters isn't always a good idea if you run a heavily loaded system.
    You may end up with burned pins and system failure.

    I don't use the converter as my AN7 doesn't need one. I just wanted what I paid for.

    A 20 pin connector works on the Neo 4 though, so I guess the converter isn't really needed.
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  • yes CPU convertor cable is not listed but comes with the PSU.(4to 8pin cable), have it also and using.
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  • Thanks for the replies guys

    Yeah its difficult to establish exactly what is now fitted,all I need is a native 24 pin atx(20+4 would be better than an adaptor) & a 4 pin cpu connector.

    33a single rail psu for £35.00 is almost to good to be true so just making sure.

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  • Thanks for the replies guys

    Yeah its difficult to establish exactly what is now fitted,all I need is a native 24 pin atx(20+4 would be better than an adaptor) & a 4 pin cpu connector.

    33a single rail psu for £35.00 is almost to good to be true so just making sure.


    that psu have it "(20+4 would be better than an adaptor)" - yep its the same.
    "4 pin cpu connector" yep have 4pin connector and also 4pin to 8 pin convertor for CPU
    also come with PCI-E cable.
    and with two nice stickers  :lol_anim:
    and with one nice necklace for cellphones
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  • Well that's annoyed me. >:( Didn't get a PCI-E cable either. I got the sticker though. :lol_anim:

    Is the 4 to 8 pin like this:

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  • It makes you wonder if the US spec is different to the UK spec
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  • Well that's annoyed me. >:( Didn't get a PCI-E cable either. I got the sticker though. :lol_anim:

    Is the 4 to 8 pin like this:


    nope not this its an cable from one side has 4pin (to connect to existing 4pin cable from the PSU) and with other side to the cable exit 8pin cable to the mobo. will try to search picture to paste.
    " Didn't get a PCI-E cable either. I got the sticker though."
    what about necklace then?
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  • 20 +4 attachable is the same as 'native 24pin'.
    Where people fool themselves is to use a "pin doubler" from a PSUs 20pin connector to make a 24pin
    then use a heavily loaded syetem with a power hungry pci-e card like ATI x1800/x1900 .
    The motherboard 24 pin is there for a reason , and that is one added +12xv wire-line , one added +5v wire-line , one added 3.3v wire-line
    and one ground .
    This is due to the added load in newer PC systems and is to feed among other thinggs the pci-e power bus and not to
    overload the PSU/mobo wiring , ref the picture above .

     
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  • It makes you wonder if the US spec is different to the UK spec
    dunno its possible, but they are different models also:
        * Enermax EG465AX-VE-G-FC/FM
        * Enermax EG465AX-VE-G-FCA/FMA
        * Enermax EG465AX-VE-G-FMAX

    bla i have the "same" PSU as picture below but mine comes with blue box(as you see different boxes black,green,orange mine is blue but cant find it over net) finnaly found it:





    here somethink usefull also:

    EG465P-VE (FM)
    EG465P-VE FMA
    EG465P-VE FCA
    EG465AX-VE(G)
    EG465AX-VE(W)
    EG465AX-VE(G) FMA
    EG465AX-VE(W) FMA
    EG465AX-VE(G) FCA
    EG465AX-VE(W) FCA

    (G) = 230Volt
    (W) = 110 ~ 230Volt (full range)
    P = zonder PFC
    AX = Actieve PFC
    FM = Fan Speed monitoring
    FMA = FMA function (Fan Speed monitored by M/B & Adjustable)
    FCA = FCA function (Fan On/ Off Controlled by M/B & Adjustable), "sleeping mode
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  • It appears Blazing storm has this model EG465AX-VE(G)FMA ATX 1.3

    Or at least this is the model at this retailer.

    Will have to do some more searching to see if other models are available over here & if connector specs are different.

    Thanks again for all the input.

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  • It appears Blazing storm has this model EG465AX-VE(G)FMA ATX 1.3

    Or at least this is the model at this retailer.

    Will have to do some more searching to see if other models are available over here & if connector specs are different.

    Thanks again for all the input.

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    well mine is exacly the same EG465AX-VE(G)FMA ATX 1.3 and we have different between(missing 2 convertors,one sticker and necklace  :lol_anim: for now) (mine is in blue box above picture) dunno what is him.
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  • Mine came in the blue box.

    well mine is exacly the same EG465AX-VE(G)FMA ATX 1.3 and we have different between(missing 2 convertors,one sticker and necklace  :lol_anim: for now) (mine is in blue box above picture) dunno what is him.

    The extra sticker and necklace is a joke right? :rolleyes:

    Looks like UK version is definately different to that of the US version. Strange. ???
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    « Reply #40 on: 22-July-06, 19:11:16 »

    can we get back to my problem please although thanks for all the info on that psu im thinkin of gettin but i think i would rather get a more up to date one.  Its really difficult for me to diagnose the psu as the problem as the computer crashes very randomly i played for 3 hours last nite few different games and no crashes.
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    « Reply #41 on: 22-July-06, 20:37:24 »
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  • Can you borrow a single rail PSU to test, as that would determine if the PSU is the problem.

    Try with one stick of RAM and one hard drive.

    EDIT: Also update your chipset drivers and install all available Window's updates.
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