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MS-7173 MSI ATI RC410M bios update
« on: 03-September-09, 00:30:43 »

hey,
i've MS-7173-200 MSI (RC410M2-L) board

i was wondering if it support win 7 ?

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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #1 on: 03-September-09, 12:35:30 »

Try it and see, should have no problems I guess. ;-))
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #2 on: 03-September-09, 12:37:36 »

Try it and see, should have no problems I guess. ;-))

no, it doesnt
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #3 on: 03-September-09, 12:42:31 »

Huh, you asked if your board was supported in Windows 7, to which I replied that it 'should', then you tell me it doesn't? ???

So what problem you got then? :think:
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #4 on: 03-September-09, 12:49:10 »

Huh, you asked if your board was supported in Windows 7, to which I replied that it 'should', then you tell me it doesn't? ???

So what problem you got then? :think:

i posted that post twelve hours ago

since then i installed it several times and it doesnt work....
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #5 on: 03-September-09, 12:54:22 »

Sorry, but if you just tell me 'it doesn't work', then there is not much I (or anyone else here) can do to offer assistance to help getting it to work. How exactly 'doesn't it work'? What problems are you having?

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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #6 on: 03-September-09, 13:00:29 »

the mother board makes a problem with win 7/vista (i've tried them both)
i tried to install fresh copy of win 7 on other machine with different mother Board (RAM, graphic card, hd and sata cable i took from the problematic machine) so at the new machine i use only with new mother board and new cpu
there is no problems with this machine, the installation was ok and the windows 7 worked fine

but when i'm installing it in the machine with msi board (with the same hardware) it freeze... (the same things happens with vista)

i tried to install graphic card drivers but no success, also i tried to install ati system driver from msi site but either here, no success...

any another ideas ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #7 on: 03-September-09, 13:12:57 »

:think:

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when i'm installing it in the machine with msi board (with the same hardware)

What hardware?

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it freeze... (the same things happens with vista)

Where does it freeze?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #8 on: 03-September-09, 13:19:01 »

hardware = RAM, graphic card, hd and sata cable

it just freeze... mouse click cause 5 min of system freeze, then it's seems like it works for several minute, and the it freeze again...
for examp, it takes about 10 min to log in into windows, it also takes about 5-10 min to log off and all other operations takes a lot of time...


my machine is : Pentium D 945 (3.4 GHZ)
                      RAM 2 GB
                      HD 160 GB (sata)
                      graphic card nvidia 7300 GS (256 MB)

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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #9 on: 03-September-09, 14:39:52 »

Again, read >>Posting Guide<<

We still don't know much about your system. Please provide all we need to know. You can find tha tin the >>Posting Guide<<.......

Try to explain a bit better what happens. I can see that English is difficult for you, but try to give some more information. We cannot help you if we don't know your system or problem.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #10 on: 03-September-09, 14:54:00 »

although English is not my first language, is not difficult for me... i'm not saying much due to the reason that i don't have nothing else to say about the problem...
it's just freeze, and that's all (no blue screen, no error messages nothing) it happens either vista or win 7 but in XP pro it works fine...

also in win 7 safe mode, it works fine

about system i have,
as i said before:

pentium D 945
MSI  MS-7173-200  RC410M2-L
RAM CEON 2 G (2 sticks 667/cl5)
sound/Lan on board
graphic nvidia 7300 gs 256 MB
HD 160 GB sata hitachi
DVD-RW OPATIC

that's all
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #11 on: 03-September-09, 15:37:02 »

Okay, please try to be a little more descriptive here:

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also in win 7 safe mode, it works fine

When you can run Windows 7 in safe mode, as you just said, this means you are able to install the operating system, right?  So the freezes you get do not occur during installation.  Is that correct?

If that is the case, when exactly does the system freeze? Obviously not before you are able to force it to run in safe mode.  If it freezes at a later point, please tell us when exactly the problem starts (before or after log-in, randomly while the OS was fully loaded etc.).

The more accurate your description, the better the picture we can draw.  Currently, after reading this thread, you only gave us a very vague description of your problem.  System freezes are one thing, the operating conditions under which these freezes occur are still unknown to us.

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it happens either vista or win 7

Both 32bit?

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with different mother Board

What kind of board (based on what chipset)?

Also, what is your current BIOS Version?  It should be shown on the POST Screen:



Please write down the full BIOS ID String and Version information for comparison (e.g.: A7173AMS V3.2)

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One comment to your initial post:

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i've MS-7173-200 MSI (RC410M2-L) board

i was wondering if it support win 7 ?

The question should actually be rephrased to: "Does Windows 7 support this board?" [The board itself is from ~2006, Windows 7 was not really in sight back then]

Last Question:

What is your current BIOS Version?

Oh, and one more:

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pentium D 945
MSI  MS-7173-200  RC410M2-L
RAM CEON 2 G (2 sticks 667/cl5)
sound/Lan on board
graphic nvidia 7300 gs 256 MB
HD 160 GB sata hitachi
DVD-RW OPATIC

What PSU do you have?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #12 on: 03-September-09, 16:29:18 »

i'll try to be more intelligible...

i can install win 7, the installation process accomplished successfully, the problem starts just after second reboot.
it starts to freeze straight after i see windows logo, it freezes for 3-4 min and the continue to upload the system for 1 min and then it's freeze again...
finally it comes to the end (the upload process) and then i see the desktop, but each operation i preform with the mouse (such as double click etc...) or if i hit alt+key (lets say alt + F4) it's freeze again for aprox 5 min , and then it's starts over...

this happens in both systems (32/64 bits, in win 7 and in vista)

in safe mode it works fine (under safe mode limits...)


my bios ver (the whole string as you asked) RC401M A7173AMS V1.3B1 062106
 
and my PSU is a regular one (the brand is "ever power" but i'm not sure for W amount )


as i said before, win XP pro SP2 and linux works without any problem with that system...
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #13 on: 03-September-09, 16:36:04 »

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and my PSU is a regular one (the brand is "ever power" but i'm not sure for W amount )

Please look at the PSU Sticker and write down the model name and the amperage limits (A) on the main voltage rails (+12V, 5V and 3.3V).

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A7173AMS V1.3B1 062106

Okay.  That BIOS is quite old.  The latest final release is from June 2007 and the latest BETA Release from October 2008.  In your particular case, I strongly suggest to update your BIOS to the latest available BETA BIOS version (A7173AMS.365 (=v3.6b5) A7173AMS.137 (=v1.3b7).  That will definately bring your BIOS Version to a state that existed after Vista was released.

If you want to try this BIOS, please tell me and I will provide you with the file.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #14 on: 03-September-09, 16:49:30 »

PSU ever power PL-250
AC input 4A
DC output
3.3 V (18A) 5V(25A) 12V(14A) max 3.3V ~ 5V (140 W)



about the bios, do i need to install xp for upgrade ?
as i see in msi page http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=228 the online upgrade works only xp and bellow...

is it ok to upgrade with beta version ?


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If you want to try this BIOS, please tell me and I will provide you with the file.

how i can update bios from file ? i don't have any floppy drives...

and thanks for help so far
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #15 on: 03-September-09, 17:01:51 »

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is it ok to upgrade with beta version ?

Actually, you are currently using a BETA BIOS Version.  The flash risk is yours and yours alone (but that is actually true for every BIOS Release, BETA or Final Release).

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about the bios, do i need to install xp for upgrade ?

If you can start Windows 7 in Safe Mode, use this tool for preparing an USB Flash Drive for a safe DOS Flash:

>>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<

In case there are problems when running the tool, we can tell you a different procedure to prepare the USB Flash Drive.

Disclaimer: If you download the attached file, you agree to use and flash this BIOS Release at your own risk.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #16 on: 03-September-09, 17:19:35 »

something strange

i tried to upgrade with Live Update 3

and i got a message that my version is the same version as msi provide and i do not have to update  :rolleyes_anim:

now what ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #17 on: 03-September-09, 17:22:25 »

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i tried to upgrade with Live Update 3

Do NOT, under ANY circumstances use this tool.  I explicitly linked you to this tool:

--> >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<

Uninstall MSI Live Update and don't touch it for BIOS Update Purposes ever again.  It is dangerous and it is stupid (as you can already see). 
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #18 on: 03-September-09, 17:28:35 »

ok,
and if i prefer to install non beta ver, where can i find it ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #19 on: 03-September-09, 17:37:24 »

It can be found on the product page for your board (A7173AMS.350; A7173AMS.120).  Again, same thing for that BIOS Release: use and flash it at your own risk. Neither anybody here in this forum (or MSI) can be held responsible, if anything goes wrong.

Please be aware, that the BETA BIOS I provided you with is an official MSI BIOS, not some kind of user mod.  It was released more than a year after the last final release on the product site (and 46 other BETA-Versions were released before A7173AMS.365; A7173AMS.137, inlcuding numerous changes and adjustions that are also part of A7173AMS.365 A7173AMS.137.  This BIOS Release is as up to date as it will probably ever get for an old board such as yours.  So, if you want to take a shot at trying to fix your problem with a BIOS Update and face the risk that is involved here (as in every update), I suggest you use the latest release. That is better than ending up updating the BIOS a second time.

If you decide to use the much older Final Release, please make sure that you try to avoid MSI Live Update (or any other Windows based flashing method as well).  >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #20 on: 03-September-09, 17:40:09 »

what can so risky in bios update ?
what can go wrong ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #21 on: 03-September-09, 17:50:59 »

The BIOS (Basic Input Output System) Code that initializes every main system components after start-up is completely erased from the BIOS Chip and then reprogrammed.  If anything goes wrong during erase or reprogramming sequence (power cut-off, system crash/freeze, a problem with the device the BIOS File is read from, memory problems etc. etc.), the BIOS Data on the chip will be corrupted (no working BIOS installed).  The result is usually that the system will not start-up anymore. 

This flash risk is very low in pure DOS mode and when your system is rock-stable (yet it still exists), but it is very high when the procedure is done from within Windows (with MSI Live Udpate and stuff like that).  Unstable drivers and background applications and services (and there are numerous) could interfere with the procedure and cause it to fail.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #22 on: 03-September-09, 18:06:27 »

it didnt work
i did exactly as it written in the guide, but when i press F8 i dont see any option to boot from USB :(
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« Reply #23 on: 03-September-09, 18:11:16 »

Did you properly prepare your USB Flash Drive with the MSIHQ Tool?  Did that work as expected (no error messages etc)?

When you press F8, does the Boot Menu Appear (usually it is F11, but could be different on your board).

Disable Quick Booting in BIOS if there is such an option to give the system more time during POST to initialize your USB Flash Drive.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #24 on: 03-September-09, 18:12:45 »

already done all those steps...

none of them has helped

i use sandisk cruizer 1 g usb flash
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #25 on: 03-September-09, 18:15:34 »

Is there an option for USB Legacy support in BIOS?  If yes, what is it set to?

It could be that your board is too old to support booting from an USB Flash Drive.  In that case, follow this procedure:

http://www.biosflash.com/e/bios-boot-cd.htm
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« Reply #26 on: 03-September-09, 18:16:40 »

i use sandisk cruizer 1 g usb flash

Disable U3 cap 1st.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #27 on: 03-September-09, 18:19:01 »

i think that i'll buy tomorrow a new board, it'll be much easier, and it'll take less time to transfer all hardware from one to another than trying to make an old board to new one ...
don't u think ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #28 on: 03-September-09, 18:20:17 »

Disable U3 cap 1st.

and how do i do that ?

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it's set to enable
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« Reply #29 on: 03-September-09, 18:23:19 »

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Disable U3 cap 1st.

Ah, that stupid U3.  Forgot about that.  It used to bug me all the time.  :bonk:

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don't u think ?

I wouldn't try to install Windows 7 on such an old system to begin with.  But do I think that you are making a good decision?  Actually, I don't.  A BIOS Flash is not that hard and is worth a shot.   If the newer BIOS won't work, you can still buy a new board.  If your board is rendered useless due to an update failure, you can always still go out and buy a new board.  So basically, there is nothing to loose but only things to find out and learn.  Make this an exploration into BIOS Flashing, not into something like this:  "To difficult, I give up."

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and how do i do that ?

http://u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3
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« Reply #30 on: 03-September-09, 18:27:30 »

and how do i do that ?

Check documentation about your usb flash drive.
Or use this Tool http://u3uninstall.s3.amazonaws.com/U3Uninstall.exe
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« Reply #31 on: 03-September-09, 18:28:54 »

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So basically, there is nothing to loose but only things to find out and learn.  Make this an exploration into BIOS Flashing, not into something like this:  "To difficult, I give up."

if i was not interesting to learn something new, i wouldn't seat here at 2:30 AM... :)


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I wouldn't try to install Windows 7 on such an old system to begin with
the system is not so old, except CPU and msi board :) but as i told before, it's also happens in vista
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« Reply #32 on: 03-September-09, 18:31:14 »

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if i was not interesting to learn something new, i wouldn't seat here at 2:30 AM.

Well, there you go.  :biggthumbsup:

Uninstall U3 and retry.  If that does not work, prepare a CD.  That should work on your system without issues.

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it's also happens in vista

I wouldn't install Vista on ANY system because I thinks it is a rather bad operating system with lots of issues (especially with older hardware).  :)

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except CPU and msi board

I meant only the board (or more precisely: the chipset).
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« Reply #33 on: 03-September-09, 18:31:51 »

Also look in HDD area, the USB key can be detected as HDD, but remove the U3 1st in all the cases.
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« Reply #34 on: 03-September-09, 18:33:06 »


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well, there u go !! :biggthumbsup:  :smile:

xp and linux, those two are the best so far
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #35 on: 03-September-09, 18:42:34 »

ok,
the update was done, but nothing has changed...
the bios ver is the same is it was before the update...
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #36 on: 03-September-09, 18:43:13 »

Clear CMOS with main A/C power cable removed from PSU after the update (if you haven't done that yet).

>>Clear CMOS Guide<<
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #37 on: 03-September-09, 18:45:28 »

i saw some FAQ

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->Q: I've booted from the USB key then it said "BIOS update complete", but after reboot BIOS version remains unchanged?

A: * Go to BIOS and ensure that "Boot Sector Protection" is Disabled, then boot from USB drive again. Read this topic to make sure you're correctly identifying your BIOS version.

i'll try again
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« Reply #38 on: 03-September-09, 18:46:00 »

Try CMOS Clear first.
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« Reply #39 on: 03-September-09, 18:56:37 »

now i see that it was a failure during the update
and it's just was recoverd... that's why i see no changes

the error is " Bios update Failure ROM ID Incorrect "

what does it mean ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #40 on: 03-September-09, 18:57:40 »

Wait, there was something wrong with the BIOS I Uploaded (wrong mouse click on my side.)  I will upload it here again. Use that one.

Changelog: "Update ACPI Model(same with source code version 1ADCF005) to fix when enter VISTA after installing will hang on the Welcome window."

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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #41 on: 03-September-09, 19:01:25 »

and where is that file came from ?
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #42 on: 03-September-09, 19:02:29 »

Both are from a dedicated MSI Tech Server.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #43 on: 03-September-09, 19:11:09 »

Quote
VISTA after installing will hang on the Welcome window."

That should apply to W7 as well, I think.  :biggthumbsup:
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #44 on: 03-September-09, 19:21:52 »

i think it's not meant to be...
i tried with your file and with one i downloaded from MSI page

both of them  generate same Rom Id incorrect error...
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #45 on: 03-September-09, 19:27:53 »

Okay, there is a possibility to overide the ROM ID Check via a command switch.  However, before that is worth a try, we should make sure that you mainboard information is correct.

The Model Number is MS-7173, right?

Where did you get the "200" information from?

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Also, you said your are currently using BIOS v1.3b1 (that is an 1.xx BETA Release).  However, you said you have a RC410M2 board, which should use v3.xx releases.  Something seems strange here.

Let's clear things up a bit.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #46 on: 03-September-09, 19:29:08 »

Please post mainboard serial number, look over mainboard box or over mainboard sticker located over the backside of the PCB.
Example:


Too possible you to have OEM board.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #47 on: 03-September-09, 19:34:26 »

as i wrote before
it's RC410M MS-7173 ver 1.3B1

that what is written in bios
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #48 on: 03-September-09, 19:38:03 »

That info isn't enough.. If that's retails BIOS then you shall not receive such board ID doesn't match message.
Must be OEM BIOS or wrong PCB.
Answer the question above and paste mainboard SN.
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Re: MS-7173-200 MSI ATI RC410M2-L win 7
« Reply #49 on: 03-September-09, 19:38:41 »

The title of your thread contains the string "MS-7173-200".  MS-7173 is your board's model number.  But where did you find "200"?
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