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« on: 31-January-04, 00:51:33 »

I'm looking for a guide to water cooling. Need to know what to buy as far as a resivour goes and how to fill/bleed.

As you can tell, i'm new to the water cooling area.
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« Reply #1 on: 31-January-04, 01:14:42 »

The simplest way for a beginner, is to buy a complete set. (You can get them at any desent webshop.) My first kit was "Asetek Waterchill", REAL "plug'n play"!

It's cheap, but also easy to exchange parts. My dice stops at a 5(+)
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« Reply #2 on: 31-January-04, 01:17:42 »

Well, sorry to tell ya, was never in to starting easy  :-D)

Usually doing it yourself means you can troubleshoot it yourself and you get the pride and satisfaction of doing it yourself.

PLUS you can buy the best of all worlds. Better water blocks, better pumps, better radiators, better hoses. better everything.

Better = Cooler

-RuCkuS  :evil:
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« Reply #3 on: 31-January-04, 01:26:47 »

I hvae read a norwegian rewiew of the set (http://www.overklokking.no), and they said that it was premium components, except for the radiator, it was a bit small (+3C). there is a rewiew here: http://www.systemcooling.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1442

[...] A person looking for a complete kit might not have or feel that he/she has enough knowledge to choose individual parts to create a well-balanced kit. They want something that is as easy as possible to install. And they want to get the best performance possible out of this all in one kit. Having said that, we feel that asetek’s WaterChill offers the best possible solution for anyone looking to purchase a complete water-cooling kit [...]
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« Reply #4 on: 31-January-04, 02:30:30 »

Here is a little info on getting started.  I use only Innovatek watercooling as the clamps are the best on the market so i dont have to worry about leaks Highspeedpc is where to buy
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« Reply #5 on: 31-January-04, 03:19:12 »

:lol_anim:

I have been going to do water cooling for nearly 4 years and keep talking myself out of it 'cos I'm convinced I will get leaks!!!

But, while I haven't ever touched one of these rigs (so these guys have much better experience base to call on), I have researched it time and time and time again.

The cpu water cooling block is just like the HSF in that the crown of which one is best moves around nearly as often as a new block is released. Good makes are Swiftech, DangerDan, Innovatek. Hydor, Eheim, and Swiftech for pumps (I personally love the sound of the Swiftech, 'cos it's 12V DC, so no extra PCI card / controller and possible dual AC input required). Black Ice or Thermochill radiators (The 3 x 120mm fan version is excellent, but HUGE!!!).

I must also concur with VCE that the Asetek WaterChill has received some fantastic reviews, but as you say this does not allow you the joy of selecting and building your own unique system.
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« Reply #6 on: 31-January-04, 05:58:17 »

Good call on the locking waterclamps.

Innovatek gets my vote on the Water blocks. I dont know if I like the 8mm fittings on the x-flow water block though, wish it was in 1/2.

I want this to be able to fit inside my full tower. I dont think the 2 x 120mm Radiator system will work.

So i'm going to shoot for a single 120mm Radiator system. Hopefully that will do OK. I'm not too sure though, since the longer the water can cool back off, the better.
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« Reply #7 on: 31-January-04, 07:41:52 »

Buy a complete set, for example from:

http://www.coolermaster.com

or

http://www.thermaltake.com
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« Reply #8 on: 31-January-04, 11:41:00 »

I only bought the single Radiator and im glad i did.  It cools the water better than i ever though it would and the radiator is alot bigger than what you expect it will be.  I have everything in my tower but the Tank-o-matic its mounted on the rear of tower just like this.
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« Reply #9 on: 31-January-04, 12:30:04 »

Innovatek gets my vote.

Can you list the advantages of buying a complete set vs one with higher quality parts?
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« Reply #10 on: 31-January-04, 22:52:39 »

One of the biggest advantages that I can think of is this, If you buy a kit you know that all the parts will fit together. Water cooling parts have all kinds of tubing sizes. Some are 1/2" and some are 3/8. From this you have 1/2 inside and outside diameter and the same thing goes for 3/8".

When I bought my parts I bought everything from the same company so I was sure that everything would fit.

By the way another good place for water cooling equipment and kits would be D-Tek Customs.
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« Reply #11 on: 01-February-04, 02:44:05 »

Since water cooling is comprised of very few parts thers no reason not to build your own.  Start with the cpu water block and determine what size the fittings are. then plan on using all other fittings of the same size and use step ups to convert tubes to fittings.  The fitting on the pump may be larger than the fittings on the cpu block, so use a step down fitting to adapt the smaller tube to a larger fitting.  These fittings can be found at places like Home depot or sometimes at Petco or other aquarium stores.  There are only 3 parts you need.  A pump, a radiator and a cpu block, with a resivour as an added plus.  The pumps can be found at any goor aquarium store or even a gardening store as they are the same exact pumps used on aquariums and in fountains.  The cpu block should be purchased as home made ones will often tend to do nasty things like spew water about.  The radiators can easily be found at an auto parts store as they are the same thing as a heater core for a small car.  Shopp around until you find one that you can attach two 120 fans on the sides and use 4 fans, 2 on front and 2 on back.  The key to getting water cooling to work is selecting the proper water fittings as they range from simple round clips that attach with a pliers to sturdier screw types and even better connectors that screw directly to the water block.  Also do not place these components, except the cpu block, inside the computer.  Mount them underneath, that way the only fittings to worry about leaking are the ones on the water block as the others will be seperate and under the computer.  Also use heavily dyed water or antifreeze as a coolant, one for the color and also to better be able to see any leaks that may be present BEFORE connecting the cpu block to the cpu.  All tibing should be routed either through the back using a spare PCI slot or custom drilled hole.  either way make sure to use grommets to prevent ant chafing on the metal and risking cuts to the tubing.  Preferably the tubing can be routed down through the bottom of the case again with grommets.  If a resivour is desired, use a clear plastic bottle woth 2 holes drilled in the sides nerar the bottom and water tight fittings at each side.  Fill the resivour from the top and tightly screw the top on.  Needless to say the top must be water tight and non corrosive as over time rust can appear in a metal top.  Above all connect all fittings and equipment as an entire unit and turn on to assure no leaks.  Then install all in computer.  Four 120 fans are besr to provide the most air flow and also to keep noise to a minimum.

And yes I have made several of these, there not that hard, so why spend a couple hundred on one if you dont have to.  Besides it's kind of like building your own computer and getting the pride of build and design.

If you want some real fun run the radiator over to the same refridgerator you use for your beers and get real cooling Just don't put it in the freezer.
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« Reply #12 on: 01-February-04, 11:58:00 »

hmm i see one problem with me using d tek, i dont have four mounting holes for the water block, ive looked on the site but cant find any accesories to put in on  normal mobo :undecided:
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« Reply #13 on: 01-February-04, 12:03:17 »

Good Ideas Rick......But I would say it be best on your first go round with water to buy pre-made parts so you can see how everything goes.
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« Reply #14 on: 01-February-04, 15:36:08 »

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hmm i see one problem with me using d tek, i dont have four mounting holes for the water block, ive looked on the site but cant find any accesories to put in on normal mobo
I don't know much about AMD but D-Teks site say they make  waterblocks  compatible with AMD Socket A.

I agree with [T-A]_Super_10 when it comes to your first go with water cooling it would be better to buy the parts from reputable water cooling company than put them together yourself. Unless your Mr. fixit.

That doesn't mean I am taking anything away from what Rick G wrote. A lot of hard core water users would rather build their own setup and Rick's post was a good how to in my opinion.
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« Reply #15 on: 01-February-04, 16:20:54 »

yes i know they make compatible equipment, but my board doesnt have 4 connecting holes for screws, unless they make one that i didnt see
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« Reply #16 on: 01-February-04, 22:42:24 »

The 4 holes are the same 4 holes that hold the cpu mounting clip bracket.
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