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So basically I have had my msi gtx 970 for a couple weeks and the fans seem to behave as normal? Now once when I was idling I noticed the fans spin up and immediately spin down straight away. So basically now every 30 seconds the fans will spin up and spin straight back down which is weird. The temps are fine and I have checked this using MSi Afterburner. The fans I'm pretty sure are meant to stay off under 65 which it is so why are the fans spinning up. I don't seem to notice it noise wise but I don't know what it is happening. When I check the Fan % in Msi After Burner it doesn't log the fan ramping up but the 'fan tachometer, RPM' section shows it going up and back down, I will link a picture of this. I will link you the youtube video which I highly reccomend watching for a better idea of what's happening. I show you it spin up once and back down then a waiting period and then it doing it again.

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Msi afterburner, Fan tachometer section: http://i.imgur.com/gchIHhF.png
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #1 on: 24-October-14, 14:51:08 »

I dont think afterburner can monitor right these new type of fans.

U are sure your temp doesnt bump up to 65 degrees and bump down ?

Also u tried to make a custom fan profile in afterburner, and just set the fans on 30% speed, with 50 degrees, and 60% speed with say... 68 degrees ?
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #2 on: 24-October-14, 15:03:27 »

I'm sure its not going that high and I don't want the fans running if I'm ideling
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #3 on: 24-October-14, 15:17:00 »

Well I noticed it about not too long ago. I realised that was the time I downloaded Nvidias new game ready driver. So I rolled back to the first 900 driver and boom everything is back to norms
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #4 on: 24-October-14, 15:40:27 »

Could be the driver messing with the new fans stopping tech.

Just try it out, 30%, or lower is like fanless.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #5 on: 24-October-14, 19:23:14 »

My 2x970s are behaving the exact same way; fans start for like a second then stop periodically. I'll probably roll back my drivers as well since its been giving me nothing but issues.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #6 on: 25-October-14, 16:32:28 »

I got the same problem. Driver version 344.48. To which version should I roll back?
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #7 on: 25-October-14, 17:17:43 »

Drivers version 344.16 confirmed working and not having the idle-fan-spin issue. Avoid 344.48!
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #8 on: 26-October-14, 04:53:30 »

Drivers version 344.16 confirmed working and not having the idle-fan-spin issue. Avoid 344.48!

yup, can confirm this ;)
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #9 on: 26-October-14, 07:40:57 »

Drivers version 344.16 confirmed working and not having the idle-fan-spin issue. Avoid 344.48!

Confirmed. Version 344.16 is ok regarding this issue.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #10 on: 26-October-14, 09:51:37 »

Same here, rolled back to 344.16 and the fans got back to normal :)
Hope they'll fix that at least for the next version

Btw, what is your custom fan speed curve?
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #11 on: 26-October-14, 11:41:23 »

Same for me as well and my MSI GTX970. I have posted about this, and linked this page, over at NVidia's forum.

Not allowed to post external links but can be seen over at their forums under the feedback section for the 344.48 drivers. Mine is post number 460.


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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #12 on: 26-October-14, 13:53:41 »

What's the best way to go back to .16? I thought my fans only did this when exiting the msi fan controller software but it looks like it actually is happening on my new 980.

Nvidia really needs to add a rollback option in the geforce experience software. I've had to go hunting for old drivers before due to issues with their updates in the past.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #13 on: 27-October-14, 03:02:25 »

I just uninstalled the driver and installed it again using the installation
from the GTX 970 support in the MSI website (it has .16), worked great :)
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #14 on: 27-October-14, 09:43:44 »

I can also confirm the same issue with the latest 344.48driver, the fans starting and stopping every 30 seconds or so.

Switching back to the previous 344.16 drivers fixed the issue also.

Hopefully it will be fixed in the next drivers?

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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #15 on: 27-October-14, 10:20:40 »

I'm making the assumption that this is something MSI have to fix. If something changed in the drivers it is unlikely that Nvidia is going to change it just to support MSIs cooling system. Of course it depends on what is exactly causing the problem. It could be that the .16 drivers had some fan code that MSI didn't expect to change or the new drivers add some new code that Nvidia finds important on their reference design. It could be that MSI needs to get in touch with Nvidia and request for the drivers to have a path for non reference cooling units to turn off w/e is forcing the fans to start up in the drivers.

Then of course it could just be that Nvidia messed up something when it comes to fan code and haven't fixed the bug yet. Ultimately every case is just a waiting game so we just need to wait on .16 until someone fixes it. Though the next drivers only introduce DSR which I don't think is very important anyway. If downsampling is a big deal for anyone there are other methods until this is fixed.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #16 on: 27-October-14, 12:46:06 »

it wouldn't be the first time that nvidia messed up with drivers :)

I find this issue particularly vicious, because it's hard to detect if you don't look inside the case and it may be potentially harmful for your GPU.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #17 on: 28-October-14, 08:18:30 »

My GTX 980 does the same with the latest driver. gone back to .16 too..
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #18 on: 28-October-14, 14:09:52 »

I emailed MSI asking if they knew about the issue and they just told me "It's an intended feature that the fans turn themselves off when idling." Thanks MSI -_- for completely ignoring what I asked and coming back with a useless reply.


*EDIT* Something I notice even on the .16 drivers is that the black fan occasionally spins at 30%. It seems to stay there for a while when it does. Temps are 44cish. Is this normal? It's not that the fans go on and off it just occasionally goes on it seems. Otherwise at .16 my fans seem to work normally. When I game they spin up to keep it at or below 65c.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #19 on: 29-October-14, 08:02:48 »

My 980 will do this as well with one of the fans.

I also don't know why the fans need to be 'independently controlled' on the 980's?! Seems like a very useless and unneeded feature as if the core temp goes up, the vrm temp is sure to follow! Afterburner can only control one fan conflicts with the lil program that they did release to control both independently.

Same with the 0db feature, does MSI not know that dust is the main culprit of fan failure and having a fan sit doing nothing is a recipe to have a non-starting fan in the future... These fans are rated to for a very long time when turned on and left... They should idle at a low quiet speed and ramp up as needed and they will last much longer and be more reliable...

I can see a new generation of cards being released with drivers that need polishing and some issues as systems vary so much now a days, but these 9xx's seem to have more hardware issues than software which is not good to see...
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #20 on: 29-October-14, 09:46:04 »

This also happens to my GTX 970 with 344.48 drivers.
I switched back to 344.16 and the issue is no longer present.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #21 on: 02-November-14, 17:40:51 »

It could be a attempt to fix the 1 fan 100% bug, by trying to spin up the other fan emulating the spin up by hand.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=183618.450

but then again, i want my card "dead silent" in idle mode as promised.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #22 on: 04-November-14, 07:03:45 »

The issue remains on the new 344.60 drivers...
Is MSI/nvidia even aware of this?
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #23 on: 04-November-14, 07:33:03 »

i will try to file a bug-report at nvidia, still a registered developer. but it would be great if owners of other semi-silent cards could tell if they do experience the same behaviour. have not been loged in for years, so wish me luck - and please someone test it with other semi-silent card first, will wait a few days.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #24 on: 04-November-14, 09:27:08 »

I just sent my VBIOS to Nvidia after the issue was reported on Nvidia forums. A moderator noticed it and requested more info.
They are now aware and should look into this.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/786710/geforce-drivers/344-48-and-344-60-fan-problems-with-gtx-980-msi-gaming-help-/post/4353621
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #25 on: 04-November-14, 09:31:26 »

I just sent my VBIOS to Nvidia after the issue was reported on Nvidia forums. A moderator noticed it and requested more info.
They are now aware and should look into this.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/786710/geforce-drivers/344-48-and-344-60-fan-problems-with-gtx-980-msi-gaming-help-/post/4353621/?offset=6#reply

Yeah thats my thread there, opened today several threads, here, on guru 3d and on nvidia forums. Got lucky that ManuelG saw my thread, hoping to get a driver fix soon.

Since i still believe its their drivers, and not the cards or bios. Since 344.16 works perfect.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #26 on: 04-November-14, 13:03:41 »

Yup, quiet sure it is their driver. So it would be interesting what other semi-silent cards do now. Normally, nVidia is fast with tiny fixes, so there should be hope with the next driver release.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #27 on: 04-November-14, 13:55:43 »

^ Yeah im hoping too. As i said with 344.16 works like a charm. Fans stop in idle, fans spin in games when reaches at 63 oC
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #28 on: 04-November-14, 14:05:25 »

I may have found a problem with MSI's fan settings on these cards.
Is this the problem? I don't know. But it does not seem to be set correctly IMO.
As you can see below the fans with the OEM bios are never actually set to 0 rpm. When they are off they are actually being told to spin at 1% power at 23 rpm.





I have changed mine.

The fans no longer randomly spin with the new drivers. And I have not had any more problems with one fan not spinning up ( although its too early to declare victory on that problem ).

My fans now start up at 50c and even when overclocked to 1503MHZ I have not gone over 65c at 68% fan speed.


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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #29 on: 04-November-14, 14:09:52 »

What did you use to change it? that Vbios tweaker that is circulating around?
Im a bit cautious with using that on my card, is it safe to mess around with? :/
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« Reply #30 on: 04-November-14, 14:17:56 »

Yes. Version 1.36

Is it Safe? It has been for me. Though I'm sure the mods here cannot/will not approve.
I have only tweaked the fan settings with it.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #31 on: 04-November-14, 14:27:20 »

So far I only hear positive things about it. Has been a salvation for Gigabyte G1 owners as their triple-fan-oversize abomination of a card (  ;D ) spins 1600rpm at idle, and its the only solution to lower this value.
Still - i will wait few days until Nvidia sort it out, obviously - as we see - it can be sorted.


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« Reply #32 on: 04-November-14, 16:51:11 »

Have tought about this too. The driver seems to accumulate the desired rpm compared to actual rpm. Once the threshold gained high enough until the fans actually start spinning at ~700 rpm. Then just a few rotations (about 23 each minute) with speed of 700rpm will now rapidly reduce the accumulated rpm, and the game begins again. Thought to have sorted it out, because I tried manual setting to 0% = 0 rpm with MSI Afterburner and it had no effect. But then of course, the cards bios might just override the afterburner setting of 0%. The cause seems to be found. Now MSI has to react with a new official bios, because I am not going to void warranty with a custom bios-mod - I'd rather return the whole card if there is no fix within a few months...
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #33 on: 04-November-14, 18:32:52 »

One of the Nvidia guys ManuelG requested a few people send a copy of their BIOS and version of cards etc.

So Nvidia are now looking into this, hopefully Nvidia will sort this out with MSI.

Click this link >> https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/786710/geforce-drivers/344-48-and-344-60-fan-problems-with-gtx-980-msi-gaming-help-/

Sent my BIOS along with details of issue to Nvidia's driverfeedback email address as following:

Model: MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G

Manufacturers Code: 912-V316-001

BIOS: NV316MH.126

Just to note this issue does not occur on 344.16 driver.

Problem on driver 344.48 and 344.60
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #34 on: 05-November-14, 06:35:50 »

Hmm interesting, I did notice that monitoring programs mark the fan speed as 1% instead of 0% for some reason
not sure whats up with that but it seems to work with .16 either way, so I think it should be possible to fix the new
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #35 on: 05-November-14, 06:39:58 »

I found it strange from the beginning, that fan speed is at 1%. Thought it might prevents some errors (f.e. division by zero). But if it is just causing errors, a fixed BIOS would IMO be better than a fixed driver...
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #36 on: 05-November-14, 11:09:04 »

So, this morning I created a macro to start/stop my fans. I let it run for hours with a 10 second start stop interval. Simulating probably a month or more of normal use.

The fans worked flawlessly the whole time. They also do not turn on every 30 seconds with the new drivers.

I am now 99% convinced that MSI's setting of 1% at 23 rpm is the problem with these fans spinning every 30 seconds. And also the random problems some of us are having with fans failing to start up.

I downloaded the bios from all the 970s I could on techpowerup. MSI is the ONLY one with the 1% at 23 rpm setting.
The other manufactures have them set to 0% at 0 rpm or a sensible minimum like 30% at 800 rpm. The fans can't spin at 1% 23 rpm so they should have never been set that way.

Hopefully they release a new bios for you guys. I am going to keep mine as is. I like the fans turning on at 50c, my card runs much cooler.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #37 on: 05-November-14, 11:59:14 »

^ Yeah ? Then why on driver 344.16 all things are fixed ?
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #38 on: 05-November-14, 12:15:38 »

Beats me. The new drivers may just poll the fans in a different way.

Explain to me why my card is now completely fixed?

They set the fans at 23 rpm when they are OFF, that is just wrong, plain and simple. Someone put 'Bubba' in charge of the fan bios setting.

Also look at the PER12 24 number, its wrong too.  900 rpm is not 24% of 2300. PER12 should really be 39 or 40.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #39 on: 05-November-14, 12:43:52 »

Is somebody able to explain this to me? It is MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G with Hynix mem chips. I see fan control settings all wrong. Note: I did not set anything in the bios it is default MSI 970 bios provided on the card. Maybe the first group of control settings for fan are not relevant at all. I dunno.



I still stick to 344.16 and I even did not bother to try newer drivers as I read here about this issue. Btw card is functioning fine with 344.16.

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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #40 on: 05-November-14, 12:47:14 »

You need a newer version. 1.36 is the latest as far as I know.

I recommend you wait for an official bios....
Unless your impatient like me.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #41 on: 05-November-14, 12:59:03 »

I found 1.34 the most recent and yes you are correct 1.32 reads these settings wrong! Here once again with 1.34. This time correct readings.



best, d.
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« Reply #42 on: 06-November-14, 15:36:56 »

I may have found a problem with MSI's fan settings on these cards.
Is this the problem? I don't know. But it does not seem to be set correctly IMO.
As you can see below the fans with the OEM bios are never actually set to 0 rpm. When they are off they are actually being told to spin at 1% power at 23 rpm.





I have changed mine.

The fans no longer randomly spin with the new drivers. And I have not had any more problems with one fan not spinning up ( although its too early to declare victory on that problem ).

My fans now start up at 50c and even when overclocked to 1503MHZ I have not gone over 65c at 68% fan speed.



Went ahead and copied your settings and everything seems to be working as it should  now. Thanks :)

**EDIT**
Just tested it by getting gpu up to 50c and it seems to work. After it drops below 50 it takes a bit for the red fan to spin back down (stayed around 44% for a good 3-5 mins). After the red fan dropped to 0% the black fan slowly dropped down to 29% and that's where it is sitting right now. I think this is per design though since I remember my gpu doing this even on .16. The cooldown process or something I guess.

And at the end of this post black fan is back down to 0%. Good call on the problem looks like it's fixed :).
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #43 on: 06-November-14, 16:31:06 »

Glad to here it worked for you. I was beginning to think no one was going to trust me on this.

Yes, the fans do take a while to slow back down. Probably so that they don't constantly turn on and off when in game menus and the like.

If you want to stay with MSI's stock temperature turn on points you can. TMP11: 59.00,  TMP12: 60.00, TMP13: 88.00
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #44 on: 06-November-14, 21:22:26 »

Glad to here it worked for you. I was beginning to think no one was going to trust me on this.

Yes, the fans do take a while to slow back down. Probably so that they don't constantly turn on and off when in game menus and the like.

If you want to stay with MSI's stock temperature turn on points you can. TMP11: 59.00,  TMP12: 60.00, TMP13: 88.00

I'm happy with the lower fan ramp up times actually. The things are silent anyway to be honest.

I should mention that I have the 980 not the 970 but the fan settings in the 980 stock bios were identical to the 970 ones. Which of course is why they both have this problem.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #45 on: 08-November-14, 05:15:19 »

Hi,

Need your help please.

I'm new to flashing vbios.  I managed to edit the existing vbios fine.  But when trying to flash it, the NVFlash just exits as soon as I start to try and type anything....
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #46 on: 08-November-14, 05:40:34 »

I may have found a problem with MSI's fan settings on these cards.
Is this the problem? I don't know. But it does not seem to be set correctly IMO.
As you can see below the fans with the OEM bios are never actually set to 0 rpm. When they are off they are actually being told to spin at 1% power at 23 rpm.


(big snip due to....................... Sorry, you are not allowed to post external links. )



Just applied your settings to my saved 126 version BIOS and it initially seems fine, with no regular polling when using the latest NVidia drivers. Hopefully MSI/ NVidia will offer an official solution but in the meantime this should be fine.

Thanks for noting what you did.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #47 on: 08-November-14, 08:47:39 »


Just applied your settings to my saved 126 version BIOS and it initially seems fine, with no regular polling when using the latest NVidia drivers. Hopefully MSI/ NVidia will offer an official solution but in the meantime this should be fine.

Thanks for noting what you did.

I've done exactly the same as the above, working perfectly with 344.60 driver.  :smile:

Thanks rwcordell for the info.
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Re: Msi gtx 970 Fans Randomly Turning On When Idling???
« Reply #48 on: 08-November-14, 09:07:55 »

Pretty frustrated here as nothing seems to work for me.

My GPU was absolutely fine for the 2 weeks Ive owned it until last night when I started getting the idle fan speed issue. Ive since rolled back drivers to 344.16 and applied rwcordells VBIOS trick but, no matter what, my fans are fudged, They might not crank up when idle anymore but the moment I hit that 50C mark, they get very loud and will not slow down until I reboot. MSI is reporting the speed as 0% when it clearly isnt.

I think I might return it before I leave Amazons 30 day window and hope my next one doesnt do it.
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« Reply #49 on: 08-November-14, 11:09:24 »

Pretty frustrated here as nothing seems to work for me.

My GPU was absolutely fine for the 2 weeks Ive owned it until last night when I started getting the idle fan speed issue. Ive since rolled back drivers to 344.16 and applied rwcordells VBIOS trick but, no matter what, my fans are fudged, They might not crank up when idle anymore but the moment I hit that 50C mark, they get very loud and will not slow down until I reboot. MSI is reporting the speed as 0% when it clearly isnt.

I think I might return it before I leave Amazons 30 day window and hope my next one doesnt do it.

Have you tried using the 344.60 drivers with the modified (rwcordell) BIOS, do it custom install and perform a clean installation.  See if that works.

If that doesn't work, then RMA with Amazon, they will give a full refund, then get another GTX 970.
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